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    #722
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Fcuk it lads I have a plan. Lets setup a go fund me page to build an oxygen pipeline to the top. We can fleece the bastards by flogging them oxygen.


    Build a crematorium up there

    Didn't survive ? in you go and can post you home


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    #723
    Duane Dibbley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭Duane Dibbley


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Jesus christ. You have to climb to get there. You have to go on ladders across huge cracks in the mountains. Yeah let's all go.

    You do know that a lot of people have 0 experience of climbing when they get there and are thought the basics?


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    #724
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Jesus christ. You have to climb to get there. You have to go on ladders across huge cracks in the mountains. Yeah let's all go.

    Complete amateurs with no climbing experience are allowed try climb everest once they have enough money to buy a permit. You are not tested for skill level.

    Close the top, allow more people to go to camp 4 to compensate financial loss.


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    #725
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Jesus christ. You have to climb to get there. You have to go on ladders across huge cracks in the mountains. Yeah let's all go.

    You do know that a lot of people have 0 experience of climbing when they get there and are thought the basics?
    Yes. Very few though. It's a bit of a myth that they are dragged up by sherpas.


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    #726
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Nobelium wrote: »
    What's the maximum height/altitude bodies have been successfully retrieved from with acceptable risk ?
    In the Alps there's signs warning you not to go further unless you have already paid for helicopter insurance. Because it's about €90 a minute if you don't. But helicopters can only go so high.


    It's called the death zone because you are already dying up there.

    Even if you remove all the risks from cold and falls and avalanches and wind and sipping on ice you will still die if you stay too long.

    And then you've got to climb Carrauntoohil to get to the balcony. And you've no control on the queues of tourists delaying you. And there's about 700 of them and it's a short season.


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    #727
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Another good idea. An elevator to the top. Tourists all year.

    And a visitor centre/cafe :D


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    #728
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    jasper100 wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Jesus christ. You have to climb to get there. You have to go on ladders across huge cracks in the mountains. Yeah let's all go.

    Complete amateurs with no climbing experience are allowed try climb everest once they have enough money to buy a permit. You are not tested for skill level.

    Close the top, allow more people to go to camp 4 to compensate financial loss.
    You are actually serious.


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    #729
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    You do know that a lot of people have 0 experience of climbing when they get there and are thought the basics?

    He is mistaking climbers with permit holders.


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    #730
    Duane Dibbley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭Duane Dibbley


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Yes. Very few though. It's a bit of a myth that they are dragged up by sherpas.

    Out of 1000 people who attempt Everest. What % of them could do it without any assistance from Sherpas


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    #731
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Yes. Very few though. It's a bit of a myth that they are dragged up by sherpas.

    Out of 1000 people who attempt Everest. What % of them could do it without any assistance from Sherpas
    Hang on I will just conduct a survey on that and get straight back.


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    #732
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    You are actually serious.

    Money talks when trying to climb everest. Any wealthy fool can try it. Your climbing skillset is not questioned.


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    #733
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Interview with Seamus from earlier this year.
    https://irishsevensummits.com/everest-2019-interview/


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    #734
    Duane Dibbley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭Duane Dibbley


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    You are actually serious.

    You are pretending to know but you don’t. Anyone and everyone can attempt Everest as long as you have a permit. Experience has no relevance in getting a permit.


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    #735
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    jasper100 wrote: »
    Money talks when trying to climb everest. Any wealthy fool can try it. Your climbing skillset is not questioned.

    Should we post the video again about the Canadian woman who didn't like walking but made the summit anyway but then failed to return to camp.


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    #736
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Yes. Very few though. It's a bit of a myth that they are dragged up by sherpas.

    Out of 1000 people who attempt Everest. What % of them could do it without any assistance from Sherpas
    Hang on I will just conduct a survey on that and get straight back.
    jasper100 wrote: »
    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    You do know that a lot of people have 0 experience of climbing when they get there and are thought the basics?

    He is mistaking climbers with permit holders.
    Are you referring to me here?

    I am not mistaking anything. You need to climb above base camp. You cannot have guided tours to camp four. I actually can't believe this conversation.


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    #737
    Wildlife Actor
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Wildlife Actor


    You can't generalise. Nobody goes up with zero experience. The typical "client" climber has climbed (with a guide) 2 or 3 of the seven summits (and very little else at high altitude) before the attempt. That's insufficient experience to do anything self sufficient and virtually all of those would fail early days due to rookie screw ups or fear.

    Stronger climbers with extensive independent climbing experience (who make up a small but variable proportion from year to year) would stand a better chance, but many of those will get sherpa assistance too.


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    #738
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Are you referring to me here?

    I am not mistaking anything. You need to climb above base camp. You cannot have guided tours to camp four. I actually can't believe this conversation.



    You could always take a helicopter to the top, saves messing around with ropes and those clippy things


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    #739
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    You are actually serious.

    You are pretending to know but you don’t. Anyone and everyone can attempt Everest as long as you have a permit. Experience has no relevance in getting a permit.
    Of course I don't know what percentage of climbers can climb without sherpas. How would I know that. Why would I pretend to know that.

    I am saying you cannot have guided tours to camp 4.


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    #740
    Wildlife Actor
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭Wildlife Actor


    Wildlife Actor wrote: »
    You can't generalise. Nobody goes up with zero experience. The typical "client" climber has climbed (with a guide) 2 or 3 of the seven summits (and very little else at high altitude) before the attempt. That's insufficient experience to do anything self sufficient and virtually all of those would fail early days due to rookie screw ups or fear.

    Stronger climbers with extensive independent climbing experience (who make up a small but variable proportion from year to year) would stand a better chance, but many of those will get sherpa assistance too.

    Sorry this was a reply to : "Out of 1000 people who attempt Everest. What % of them could do it without any assistance from Sherpas"


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    #741
    Duane Dibbley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭Duane Dibbley


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Of course I don't know what percentage of climbers can climb without sherpas. How would I know that. Why would I pretend to know that.

    I am saying you cannot have guided tours to camp 4.

    You also need 0 experience in climbing to be allowed to go to any of the camps


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    #742
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,280 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    I am saying you cannot have guided tours to camp 4.

    I get what you are trying to say, but technically every time a climber is accompanied to the summit they have just had a guided tour through all the camps...


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    #743
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Apparently Seamus did some of this training in VR, I like the sound of that don't even have to leave my sofa.

    d03ca8baca004badeb5474dfa6c2daab.png


    And in other news it's now confirmed money will be spent on sending sherpas into danger searching for a body.

    https://extra.ie/2019/05/20/news/irish-news/seamus-lawless-search-resuming


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    #744
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    ......

    I am saying you cannot have guided tours to camp 4.

    In those photos above they're getting a guided tour to the very top


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    #745
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Of course I don't know what percentage of climbers can climb without sherpas. How would I know that. Why would I pretend to know that.

    I am saying you cannot have guided tours to camp 4.

    Why can you not have guided tours to camp 4 when most people get a guided tour to the summit?

    "Hero" Shay had a 1:1 personal guide ratio ffs.


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    #746
    holliehobbie
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭holliehobbie


    So it's OK to risk the lives of 45 other men? To try and find Seamus body? Just because they are poor men. What kind of a crazy ****ed up world do we live in?!!!


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    #747
    refusetolose
    Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose


    gctest50 wrote: »
    You could always take a helicopter to the top, saves messing around with ropes and those clippy things

    but helicopters can't go to that height


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    #748
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    refusetolose wrote: »
    but helicopters can't go to that height

    Someone forgot to tell this French pilot!



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    #749
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    holliehobbie wrote: »
    So it's OK to risk the lives of 45 other men? To try and find Seamus body? Just because they are poor men. What kind of a crazy ****ed up world do we live in?!!!

    Its a pity they dont call it what t is "a body recovery operation"

    In any case its a disgrace to put 45 lives at ris.


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    #750
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    tuxy wrote: »
    refusetolose wrote: »
    but helicopters can't go to that height

    Someone forgot to tell this French pilot!


    It's possible but extremely unsafe.


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    #751
    holliehobbie
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭holliehobbie


    Stark wrote: »
    It's possible but extremely unsafe.

    Couldn't he set off an avalanche too?


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