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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Keyzer wrote: »
    No.

    No he didn't.

    He got an shambolicly bad ending for his character arc (and its inferred and ultimately subverted trajectory).

    He did practically nothing in Season 8 of note.

    How these two sh1theads (D&D) put this crap together and thought it was good is beyond me..,
    What ending did you want for him? Unless he died there was no where for him. He lost the respect of the Northern Lords when he bent the knee to Dany and rejected their crowning him King in the North. He would never have been accepted again.

    He was also never going to sit on the throne. He's like Ned - too naive to play the game. Just because he was a Targaryen and the rightful heir doesn't mean he should get the throne.

    There's a great scene between Theon and Jon talking about loyalties. In the end Jon was more Stark than Targaryen and his nobleness overrides any desire for power. He ended up in the North which is where Starks belong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    This sums up the season for me. Euron Greyjoy turning to the camera and saying "I am the man who killed Jamie Lannister."

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



    *There aren't enough role eyes in all of the 7 Kingdoms to do it justice.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    The gosh darn patriarchy couldn't handle the prospect of a strong woman on the throne!


    Seriosuly though, that wasn't very good.


    Arya and Jon went off to be lumberjacks, Sansa's character doesn't make any sense and Bran not really seeming to care about being king makes him a terrible choice.


    Bonus points for everyone accepting an imprisoned traitors plan on how to clear everything up.
    I've found Sansa's story the most satisfying over all and I HATED her to start with. I thought she was a whingy, self-indulgent pain in the arSe and when she got Lady killed and sold out Ned to Cersei, I had no sympathy for her. On re-watches I can see her for what she was - a silly, immature, naive girl with romantic notions of going to the capital and marrying the King and living happily ever after. There was always a defiant spark to her though. Even when she became Joffrey's play thing she had moments where she defied him.

    She went full circle in the end - from wanting to leave the North to ending up liberating it and wanting to be nowhere else. She really did look regal when she was crowned. The only problem I have with her becoming Queen in the North is that Yara should've thrown a b!tch fit and demanded independence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Maybe im missing something but at the end did Jon abandon the nights watch to live beyond the wall with the wildlings?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Maybe im missing something but at the end did Jon abandon the nights watch to live beyond the wall with the wildlings?

    There's no nights watch left I think. Part of me thinks it was a lie to keep Grey worm happy and send Jon back to where he was happiest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,598 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Dany wanted to break the wheel. They put two wheels on the throne.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭LionelNashe


    re: Jon being a Targeryon, it did serve a purpose:

    - It drove a wedge between him & Dany, contributing to her losing the plot
    - It shook Dany’s belief in her own destiny, contributing to her losing the plot.
    - It triggered Varys’s treason, or at least brought it out in the open
    - It gave him the ability to ride a dragon, which came in handy at Winterfell
    - I reckon it’s why Drogon didn’t flame him
    - It’s just a great tragic story; being a bit of an outsider and being hated all his life by Caetlyn and it turns out Ned Stark didn’t father a bastard after all.

    As for him getting sent to the wall, he did kind of deserve it. He bent the knee to Dany unnecessarily, when she had already promised to fight the dead, and he kept his knee bent until King’s Landing was toast, despite the warning signs. What happened to KL is partly his fault (and Tyrion’s, Varys’s, etc).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    She killed the Night King!

    She had 10 seconds of usefulness, and an hour at threathening to be useful, but doing nothing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    flazio wrote: »
    Dany wanted to break the wheel. They put two wheels on the throne.

    Give that man a can of coke!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭crazy 88


    The dialogue between jon and daenerys leading up to her death was atrocious...made home and away look like Shakespeare. This is how they marked the death of the most important character.
    The very last scene of dialogue in the whole series (the small council) was probably worse again
    Only thing the ep did well was tying back to the prophesy of snow/ash on the iron throne


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Lionbacker wrote: »
    I don't think she cared all that much for Slavers Bay. She always wanted to get back to Westeros and to be honest, she was quite entitled to claim the throne seeing as her father was King before meeting his end.

    I agree she never really cared much for Slavers Bay, she always wanted more.

    I don't think you can say her drive was based on some sense of moral entitlement, as finding out John had a better claim did nothing to slow her down. It was her drive for power that led to her downfall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Also, Jon can just come back home after Grey Worm and the rest of the lads head off in the ships.


    They are the only ones who wanted him dead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Blinky Plebum


    Keyzer wrote: »
    No.

    No he didn't.

    He got an shambolicly bad ending for his character arc (and its inferred and ultimately subverted trajectory).

    He did practically nothing in Season 8 of note.

    How these two sh1theads (D&D) put this crap together and thought it was good is beyond me..,

    Jon Snow didn't want to be king though so he got what he wanted in life and seemed happy to be heading north to be with the wildlings. I'd argue it's the perfect ending for him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    There's no nights watch left I think. Part of me thinks it was a lie to keep Grey worm happy and send Jon back to where he was happiest.
    The last of the Night's Watch died at Winterfell. Sam doesn't count because he's....well.....I'm not sure. An expectant father? Lord Tarly? Maester? I don't know how he can suddenly be a maester when he ran from the Citadel and stole from them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Yes but what if Jon's refusal was what brought them to that decision?

    They could have done that but choosing 'democracy' due to a monarch turning down the job isn't near as powerful decision for the Houses to make.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Also, Jon can just come back home after Grey Worm and the rest of the lads head off in the ships.


    They are the only ones who wanted him dead.

    Jon could have just stopped after he reach the new Independent North. No need to keep going to the NW.

    Or he could have asked the ship captain to wait around until the Unsullied were over the horizon, then just got off.

    It's sad to see so many fantastic and loved characters just die for nothing in such a poorly written, poorly timed manner.

    Remember the Red Wedding. Rob Stark, the hero of the show get murdered completely by surprise. His death gets a whole episode to play out practically, and was telegraphed well in advance if only you knew where to look (Constantly ignored Roose Bolton, killed the Umber guy, Tywin writing letters and hinting that battles didn't win wars). It was shocking, all his hopes and dreams snuffed out, but every choice each character made was true to form, so it was believable.

    Look what we've had for the last season. Major characters killed and saved purely to tie up loose ends and move the plot from A to B. No thought, no nuance, just hack and burn the story to get to the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 PinaKolada


    It was such a lazy ending. I cannot believe how terrible the writing is compared to a few seasons ago.

    Ignore Dany's suddenly going from a liberator to literally being Hitler and the worst tyrant Westeros had ever seen and Jon blindly following along and letting it all happen and dumbly repeating she's the queen despite absolutely everything he's ever done has shown his character would never in a million years do that.

    Flash forward from Jon killing Dany which was so predictable it killed any hint of sadness over the death of one of the most loved characters in TV history to a comedy sitcom starring the bungling Lord Edmure. Greyworm ruling Kings Landing with the King of the North imprisoned. Tyrion still in chains and who was scheduled for execution before Dany died, is literally allowed by Greyworm (who'd been cutting throats every chance he got) to put forth a new king which was Jons brother, who exonerated Tyrion and named him his right hand man! And Greyworm just accepts it.

    Bran who was all but a vegetable up to that point saying he's not Bran Stark anymore and he doesn't really feel anything says he's traveled all that way to be king and is delighted to be named Brandon Stark Lord of the 6 Kingdoms. Sansa refusing to accept Bran as king (Despite the fact he is actually lord of Winterfell) and happy to see the chosen king in the north exiled to appease the war criminal Greyworm who wasn't even staying in Westeros.

    Yara Greyjoy who came into the show as Balon Greyjoy declared himself a king and was subsequently vying to be Queen of the Iron Islands and who had just said moments before that she followed Dany not the Starks and didnt give two damns about Jon was suddenly happy to bend the knee to Brandon Stark while Sansa refused and declared the north a sovereign kingdom. The Dornish likewise happy to swear fealty to a cripple with zero claim to the throne based on some tales of magic and zombies told by Tyrion Lannister who was in chains for betraying his Queen (who they were also supporting) trying to help the remaining Lannisters (no friends of the Dornish) to escape.

    Then somehow Tyrion is allowed to name Bronn, a sell sword lord of High-garden and master of coin for not murdering him. The Dothraki just disappeared. Greyworm hands over kings landing and just leaves having let his queens murderer and the traitor who betrayed her go free. He literally got nothing and Jon was exiled for nothing and goes to the nights watch which doesn't even need to exist any more.

    None of it makes any sense. It's like George R.R Martin told the guys the ending was "Dany becomes what she was trying to destroy, Jon sacrifices everything to stop her" and they skipped about 3 series and wrote that load of nonsense to try make it all happen in 6 episodes to wrap it all up.

    It was an absolutely fantastic show, no doubt. But the ending is an atrocity given the effort that went into writing, shooting and building up to that point producing some of the best TV that has ever been aired along the way. What a shame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭crazy 88


    Where were all the other lords and nobleman of Westeros entitled to vote for a King? I'm sure they'd be fine knowing a vote took place without them and a few nobodies (davos, sam etc.) got to vote. Joffrey's ascension to the throne was more legitimate.

    Sending Jon to the night's watch? They surely all knew it served no purpose as the wildlings were no longer enemies and the white walkers were killed. Even if another threat were to emerge there's a big gaping hole in the wall for anyone to walk through.

    How did Yara just waltz back to the Iron Islands and take them while Euron their true king was still alive? They just let her take it? He seemed pretty popular:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    danmci wrote: »
    Where were all the other lords and nobleman of Westeros entitled to vote for a King? I'm sure they'd be fine knowing a vote took place without them and a few nobodies (davos, sam etc.) got to vote. Joffrey's ascension to the throne was more legitimate.

    I'd day if you could check in a few months after Episode 6 the whole of Westeros is likely in open civil war. Sansa probably just about ok in the North but the rest will be fighting to claim the 6 kingdoms for themselves with zero loyalty to Bran who just got parachuted in out of nowhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    This piece of music from the end of the episode is hauntingly beautiful
    "The Last of the Starks"



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    It's cool that the council voting for Bran to be king were able to get some bottled water for their meeting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    danmci wrote: »
    How did Yara just waltz back to the Iron Islands and take them while Euron their true king was still alive? They just let her take it? He seemed pretty popular:

    That was covered earlier in the season. He took the whole fleet to KL, leaving no defense there (he never cared about the Iron Islands). It wasn't as if Yara was hated, Euron put in a good sales pitch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    It's cool that the council voting for Bran to be king were able to get some bottled water for their meeting.

    Just in case anyone missed this:

    0520-game-of-thrones-water-bottle-hbo-7.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    This piece of music from the end of the episode is hauntingly beautiful
    "The Last of the Starks"


    In fairness Ramin Djawadi did an outstanding job on Season 8 score. If only D&D did the same....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,346 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Emilia Clarke's exit interview with Kit Harrington and others...

    https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/19/game-thrones-finale-interview-emilia-clarke/
    The showrunners are not giving interviews about episode 6 (and told EW they plan to spend the finale offline — “drunk and far away from the Internet” as Benioff put it).

    That doesn't surprise me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    I wouldn't have been the biggest fan of this but have watched it since the beginning and found that last episode and season to be extremely poor. The writing, the dialogue, the pace, all of it. It's just bad. Too rushed and the visual sequential art, editing and the story itself as a whole has suffered massively from it. It became as plastic as the coffee cups and the bottles of water. The creators seem to be more concerned with singing back to the decent seasons while at the same time dropping slight hints at a future seasons rather than actually creating proper work for the current story. "I'll see you in 10 years" They probably will do this too, it will make money and that's the lame blueprint for everything these days. Wouldn't be surprised at a animated series either.
    No intention to watch all of this ever again, which is a bit of a shame but not really because I know it would be a waste of time for me. And sure that's that.
    What did yer man say -"Duty is the Death of Love" yeah, well "Money is the Death of Art"
    Night Night

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,240 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Something that just clicked with me, it was weird that they didn’t include Bran in the ending montage of the ‘Stark’ kids. I know he got a bit of extra screen time showing how he ended up via the small council scene, but given we followed his journey in great detail (well initially at least) it stands out that he wasn’t included here. Makes it seem even more that he was just tagged on to the plan for the ending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,940 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    This piece of music from the end of the episode is hauntingly beautiful
    "The Last of the Starks"

    One thing that has been excellent at least, has been the music.
    I still listen to the Night King song every so often.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,035 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Maybe im missing something but at the end did Jon abandon the nights watch to live beyond the wall with the wildlings?

    Are you not dead?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    Season 9 to be announced to clean up this ungodly mess,to think they turned years of creating the most ominous figure in TV history the night king and years of a building of fear and dredd,and the show ends with more questions than answers.

    Appalling.


    Some unbelievable TV along the way,and this season's cinematography is a level above any other show ever imo.


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