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Homelessness on the rise (over 130 more children) - Mod Warning Post #392

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Old diesel wrote: »
    We know there is a housing shortage.

    This means logically you will get more homelessness.

    Some homes get supplied but if numbers increase of people without a home increases - this implies that housing supply isn't catching up with demand.

    People living at home suddenly deciding they want to move out and get a house for 40 euro a week and declaring themselves homeless isn’t demand.

    It’s a farce and a joke and not sustainable ever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,148 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Imagine we had an RTE Investigates undercover episode looking into the scamming of the homelessness figures?

    But they'll never do one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    We need to tackle the use of social welfare as a career... All the scroungers are actually taking homes away from people who genuinely need them. They are a large reason for the lack of suitable homes for young home buyers and the huge cost to buy. There are just too many people who take but don't give back. It's time to stop blaming the middle earners and stop pandering to the 'poor me' class... It may not be PC, but it's fact.

    We need to assist those that need it, and develop a system that rewards financial independence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Bluefoam wrote:
    We need to tackle the use of social welfare as a career... All the scroungers are actually taking homes away from people who genuinely need them. They are a large reason for the lack of suitable homes for young home buyers and the huge cost to buy. There are just too many people who take but don't give back. It's time to stop blaming the middle earners and stop pandering to the 'poor me' class... It may not be PC, but it's fact.


    Your 100% right but the problem is no politician will touch the topic with a barge pole or the media either. Look what they tried to do to Peter Casey but the public weren't buying it.

    If a political party in this country actually looked out for the workers of this country and tightened down on welfare in all its forms I think they'd clean up at elections. We'd have more of our taxes to pay for vital services like healthcare, education, infrastructure instead of going to the leaches.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    It’s one big scam and gravy train.

    The amount of kids that would be dissapointed to learn that the only reason they were conceived was that mammy had no work ethic and found an easy way to get a free gaf.


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    The amount of kids that would be dissapointed to learn that the only reason they were conceived was that mammy had no work ethic and found an easy way to get a free gaf.

    Do you think that they’d give a #¥£k?


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Do you think that they’d give a #¥£k?

    Theyll probably do the exact same thing so, no. Bury it all away with a few dutch gold.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Someone on Twitter is apealing for a landmord who might be willing to rent to her friend - a mum with kids.

    For 1800 per month..

    An indication of housing shortage.

    Clearly if this mum can't get a new home - she will become homeless.


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    Old diesel wrote: »
    Someone on Twitter is apealing for a landmord who might be willing to rent to her friend - a mum with kids.

    For 1800 per month..

    An indication of housing shortage.

    Clearly if this mum can't get a new home - she will become homeless.

    A bit more info. Is she working? Can the kids move in with their dad? Where does she want to live? Could she find somewhere cheaper elsewhere?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,788 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    A bit more info. Is she working? Can the kids move in with their dad? Where does she want to live? Could she find somewhere cheaper elsewhere?

    Because no mention of HAP I assumed she was normal paying tenant (ie working).

    I see someone tweeting the fact their friend needs a home on Twitter as yet another indication of a housing shortage personally.

    I don't know them personally - it was shared into my Twitter timeline


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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Someone on Twitter is apealing for a landmord who might be willing to rent to her friend - a mum with kids.

    For 1800 per month..

    An indication of housing shortage.

    Clearly if this mum can't get a new home - she will become homeless.

    That would need a lot more info,

    Like a mother with 2 kids looking for a 2-3 bed in portlaoise for 1800 private - thats criminal if she cant find something.

    A woman looking for a 4 bed in south dublin that takes hap and has a cap of 1800 - complete dreamer and she needs to change her expectations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    21% born outside eu area according to rte article this morning so we are importing the problem


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    21% born outside eu area according to rte article this morning so we are importing the problem

    I was surprised to read that alright. That's an extremely high rate considering the proportion of the total population that comes from outside the EU. It's something that merits talking about in order to come to some sort of solution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,530 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Amirani wrote: »
    I was surprised to read that alright. That's an extremely high rate considering the proportion of the total population that comes from outside the EU. It's something that merits talking about in order to come to some sort of solution.

    Careful now.......... :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    We can no longer allow our children to live with the overwhelming feelings of shame, guilt and anger because they are homeless through no fault of their own.
    Niall Muldoon - Childrens Ombudsman - No Place Like Home report - April 2019
    https://www.oco.ie/app/uploads/2019/04/No-Place-Like-Home.pdf

    There are now 10,305 recorded homeless. 3,821 are Children.


    The report:
    The Homelessness Report March 2019 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_march_2019.pdf

    Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

    Homelessness (Adults)
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    Family Homelessness
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    The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
    The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
    or:
    The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.


    Coverage of this report:
    Number of homeless children reaches new high of 3,800
    Children accounted for all but four of the 41 additional people who became homeless since February
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-of-homeless-children-reaches-new-high-of-3-800-1.3876500
    “For some young adults in our society that means starting your adult life off as homeless. We believe nobody should be faced with that prospect when they have so much to give and are at such a young age.”

    There are now over 10,300 people homeless in Ireland, a new record high
    A rough sleeper count also found 128 people sleeping on the streets in Dublin.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-figures-7-4613271-Apr2019/
    This is the highest number on record since the Department started recording these numbers, making it the third consecutive month that the record has been surpassed.


    Tweets:
    https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/1123282555506237440
    https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1123267402802827265
    https://twitter.com/MerchantsQuayIR/status/1123263401575243777



    Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:

    Homeless children feel shame, guilt and anger - report
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0418/1043305-children-ombudsman/
    Dr Muldoon said most families seem to be in hubs for about nine months and some leave within three months.
    But he said the only opportunity to leave is through the Housing Assistance Payment scheme (HAP), which is not accepted by many landlords.

    Dublin house prices more than nine times the average salary
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-house-prices-more-than-nine-times-the-average-salary-1.3858878
    “Lack of supply remains the key issue for the Irish housing market,” Cantor Fitzgerald economist Alan McQuaid said.
    “First-time buyers continue to be priced out of the market. Subsidising purchasers through tax breaks is not the answer,” he said in reference to the Government’s help-to-buy scheme.


    Dublin rents to rise 17% by 2021 due to lack of supply, report finds
    More than 11% of housing sold in 2018 was purchased by large corporate investors
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-rents-to-rise-17-by-2021-due-to-lack-of-supply-report-finds-1.3853074
    Savills warns that the residential market will remain undersupplied until at least 2023.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,148 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Amirani wrote: »
    I was surprised to read that alright. That's an extremely high rate considering the proportion of the total population that comes from outside the EU. It's something that merits talking about in order to come to some sort of solution.

    If Peter Casey mentioned this, he'd be ripped to shreds as a racist.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    NIMAN wrote: »
    If Peter Casey mentioned this, he'd be ripped to shreds as a racist.;)

    And, as a consequence, his vote would increase in the Euro elections!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    The root cause of this crisis is government policy.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Another party political broadcast on behalf of some of the multitude of homeless industries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,148 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    terrydel wrote: »
    The root cause of this crisis is government policy.

    As well as some:

    1) Claiming they are homeless when they aren't
    2) Turning down offers of houses


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    NIMAN wrote: »
    As well as some:

    1) Claiming they are homeless when they aren't
    2) Turning down offers of houses

    I see the fg approach to normalising the whole thing and demonising the victim is proving fruitful here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Another party political broadcast on behalf of some of the multitude of homeless industries.

    If it's an industry them people or groups are profiting from it, which you can provide evidence of yes? The only people profiting are those the government has designed our housing market to suit.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    terrydel wrote: »
    If it's an industry them people or groups are profiting from it, which you can provide evidence of yes? The only people profiting are those the government has designed our housing market to suit.

    The multitudes of people who work for housing charities directly benefit from the homelessness industry. The 4 largest homeless charities in Dublin have over 900 employees, with a payroll of about €90million per year.

    There are over 70 homeless charities operating in Ireland. There's a lot of money being paid out to people working in these.

    Here's Peter McVerry Trust accounts from 2017 (check out notes on page 23): https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Approved-and-Signed-PMVT-Audited-Accounts-for-2017-Excluding-income-and-expenditure.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    terrydel wrote: »
    The root cause of this crisis is government policy.

    The "root cause" is that demand exceeds supply.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Amirani wrote: »
    The multitudes of people who work for housing charities directly benefit from the homelessness industry. The 4 largest homeless charities in Dublin have over 900 employees, with a payroll of about €90million per year.

    There are over 70 homeless charities operating in Ireland. There's a lot of money being paid out to people working in these.

    Here's Peter McVerry Trust accounts from 2017 (check out notes on page 23): https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Approved-and-Signed-PMVT-Audited-Accounts-for-2017-Excluding-income-and-expenditure.pdf




    Let's not forget they do actually provide a service. A 24 hour, 7 day week, 365 day per year service in most cases. In fact a service that the government would have to provide if these charities didn't provide said service. The government obviously feels the charities are doing a better job than it ever could & at a lower price. At the rate the government is squandering our money on the childrens hospital I would expect FG to provide the same service as the charities with 1800 staff & a cost of €180 million :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    terrydel wrote: »
    NIMAN wrote: »
    As well as some:

    1) Claiming they are homeless when they aren't
    2) Turning down offers of houses

    I see the fg approach to normalising the whole thing and demonising the victim is proving fruitful here.

    I'm not sure you're a victim of homelessness if you have been offered a house and have refused it.

    Also 21% are from outside the EU. I'm pro immigration, but this seems odd... How does someone come to the country to become homeless? They don't seem to be refugees and under the invitation rules they shouldn't be in a position to become homeless... So how is it happening?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Squatter wrote: »
    The "root cause" is that demand exceeds supply.


    And the root cause of this is government policy. Or lack off


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,925 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Squatter wrote:
    The "root cause" is that demand exceeds supply.


    We really need to get away from this whole neoclassical thinking, the construct of supply and demand is a bust, and the market is not truly capable of providing us with all our needs


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Field east


    Amirani wrote: »
    I was surprised to read that alright. That's an extremely high rate considering the proportion of the total population that comes from outside the EU. It's something that merits talking about in order to come to some sort of solution.

    Is there anyone or organization out ther that is willing to go public and analyze the makeup of the number of homeless for us. The vast majority making comment on the issue have, as they say, s ‘skin in the game’ /a hidden agenda.
    Ireland , compared to EUROPEAN countries, including uK , has the reputation of having a fairly generous welfare schemes. Is this adding to the figures.?
    What %. Of the. Homeless actually have accommodation but chose not to avail of it and declare being homeless so as to increase their chances of getting accommodation provided by county councils or whoever.
    What % have been offered accommodation but have turned it down?
    What percentage of those who had. A. Mortgage but did not meaningfully engage with their bank and those who could pay their mortgage but decided not to in the hope that it would be cancelled/. Massively reduced
    How objective was the recent report on the families, and especially the children, staying in the family hub situations. Did the families to be interviewed getadvanced notice of same and were the children ‘primed ‘ beforehand as to wat to say. ? If you ask a typical employee if they are being paid enough , how many do you think will say ‘Yes , I am’. I would say very few.

    Maybe RTÉ might go ‘undercover’ like it did with the nursing home sector.
    With the fine weather at the moment , and for a few weeks now. , I would expect the. Rough sleeping number to increase. But RTE reported it this morn as a sort of breaking news! Will it report a drop in numbers come the onset of a cold weather snap

    I assume RTE only reports on elements of the homeless situation that makes the most shocking news and will declineto report on. Anything. That counteract that. Hence it’s propensity to make news based on individual cases


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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    And the root cause of this is government policy. Or lack off

    Half of those facing “homelessness” in hubs or hotels are actually provided with homes instead.


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