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Homelessness on the rise (over 130 more children) - Mod Warning Post #392

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    #92
    loveall
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭loveall


    ^^^^^^^
    and a genuine need has to be proven


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    #93
    Slydice
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    There are now 10,264 recorded homeless. 3,784 are Children.

    The report:
    The Homelessness Report February 2019 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_february_2019.pdf

    Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

    Homelessness (Adults)
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    Family Homelessness
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    The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
    The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
    or:
    The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.


    Coverage of this report:
    'Deeply shocking': There are now officially more than 10,000 people homeless in Ireland
    https://www.thejournal.ie/10000-homeless-people-4564120-Mar2019/
    a significant rise of 277 people from January

    Homeless figures surpass 10,000 for first time
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/homeless-figures-surpass-10000-for-first-time-913754.html
    Month on month we are seeing more and more families and children becoming homeless. 160 children becoming homeless in a single month


    Tweets:
    https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1110970688087707649
    https://twitter.com/ChildRightsIRL/status/1110970129351933953
    https://twitter.com/Dublin_Simon/status/1110973218460962816
    https://twitter.com/MerchantsQuayIR/status/1110973529833566209



    Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:

    The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (UN Human Rights)
    States and real estate private equity firms questioned for compliance with human rights
    Ms Leilani Farha is the UN Special Rapporteur on adequate housing
    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24404&LangID=E
    The Special Rapporteur and the Working Group have also sent letters to the Czech Republic, Denmark, Ireland, Spain, Sweden and the United States of America, noting that each had facilitated the financialisation of housing in their own countries through preferential tax laws and weak tenant protections among other measures.

    “We remind States of their human rights obligations to regulate investment in residential real estate so that it supports the right to adequate housing and in no way undermines it. This cannot be left to the private sector to undertake on a voluntary basis,” the experts said.

    “What makes this practice particularly egregious is that it is being done without any monitoring, or accountability mechanisms in place. Governments seem not to have made the connection that this new form of finance is taking place in an area that is governed by international human rights law, which imposes obligations on them. We remind all States, that while gold is a commodity, housing is not, it’s a human right.


    Concerns over lack of housing supply nationwide and ‘supply mismatch’ within greater Dublin area – report
    http://www.engineersjournal.ie/2019/03/26/concerns-over-lack-of-housing-supply-nationwide-and-supply-mismatch-within-greater-dublin-area-report/
    Unfortunately, this isn’t simply a numbers game. We don’t require 40,000 new luxury homes in D4, we need a mix of housing types across the country to reflect the underlying demographics and sadly last year we saw a concerning mismatch between the types of houses built and the types of homes needed, with construction in the greater Dublin area seriously under-serving lower- to middle-income families


    The State won't know how many homeless students will be sitting the Leaving Cert this summer
    https://www.thejournal.ie/homelessness-leaving-certificate-students-4537511-Mar2019/
    Studying for State examinations can be a stressful time for any teenager, but that stress deepens with a lack a stable homelife.


    https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/1108743259990429697


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    #94
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Nothing else no ..
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    #95
    GGTrek
    Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭GGTrek


    If I could give a downvote to the OP I would give him thousands of downvotes. He should start his own blog or facebook page or twitter account. I seriously think the OP is an employee or an affiliate of an "homeless" business (a.k.a. charities)


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    #96
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭emo72


    and they tried so hard to keep that figure from hitting 10k.


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    #97
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    GGTrek wrote: »
    If I could give a downvote to the OP I would give him thousands of downvotes. He should start his own blog or facebook page or twitter account. I seriously think the OP is an employee or an affiliate of an "homeless" business (a.k.a. charities)

    Personally I find the outrage towards Skydice far more annoying then his posts.

    I see nothing wrong with someone posting these stats each month.

    As for who he works for - that doesn't change the stats.

    Yes you could argue that if he worked for a relevant charity then "he might have a vested interest".

    But you could also argue that Landlords pushing for lower reg environment also have a vested interest in arguing that the problem "isn't as bad as reported".


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    #98
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    GGTrek wrote: »
    He should start his own blog or facebook page or twitter account.

    Plenty of long posts here from you about the govvie


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    #99
    Reati
    Registered Users Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Reati


    It's amazing how much data you can produce that tells you very little.

    I'd love some education.

    Why are 10k people homeless. What are the root causes?
    What categories do they fall into?
    What percentage of the 10k is divided into these sub groups?
    My maths my be bad but isn't 10k about 0.2% of the Irish population? What's the rate in other European countries?


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    #100
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭emo72


    What vexes me it's posters basically trying to talk it down. I mean they are the ones with vested interests. Trying to make FG look like they are doing a great job.

    We really do have a homeless issue here. It's huge. And if, for example, we they create 2000 new homes a month, that's laudable, but it's not great when another another 500 hundred also present that month. The numbers are heading north all the time. It's not good.


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    #101
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    emo72 wrote: »
    What vexes me it's posters basically trying to talk it down. I mean they are the ones with vested interests. Trying to make FG look like they are doing a great job.

    We really do have a homeless issue here. It's huge. And if, for example, we they create 2000 new homes a month, that's laudable, but it's not great when another another 500 hundred also present that month. The numbers are heading north all the time. It's not good.

    It’s not really huge now in fairness.

    Germany for example has 250,000 homeless.

    Now thats huge.


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    #102
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    emo72 wrote: »
    What vexes me it's posters basically trying to talk it down. I mean they are the ones with vested interests. Trying to make FG look like they are doing a great job.

    We really do have a homeless issue here. It's huge. And if, for example, we they create 2000 new homes a month, that's laudable, but it's not great when another another 500 hundred also present that month. The numbers are heading north all the time. It's not good.

    It’s not really huge now in fairness.

    Germany for example has 250,000 homeless.

    Now thats huge.

    As a percentage of population the German figure is 0.3 percent.

    Irelands is 0.2 percent.


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    #103
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    emo72 wrote: »
    What vexes me it's posters basically trying to talk it down. I mean they are the ones with vested interests. Trying to make FG look like they are doing a great job.

    We really do have a homeless issue here. It's huge. And if, for example, we they create 2000 new homes a month, that's laudable, but it's not great when another another 500 hundred also present that month. The numbers are heading north all the time. It's not good.

    It’s not really huge now in fairness.

    Germany for example has 250,000 homeless.

    Now thats huge.

    As a percentage of population the German figure is 0.3 percent.

    Irelands is 0.2 percent.


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    #104
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Old diesel wrote: »
    As a percentage of population the German figure is 0.3 percent.

    Irelands is 0.2 percent.

    So we’re below Germany?

    A well spoken about booming country.


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    #105
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    These reports constantly make me think of chris morris in that brasseye episode paedogeddon

    'if you define a child as anyone under 30 the number of people having sex with them is staggering'

    every time these reports come out, theyve broadened the definition of homelessness to the point at which anyone with a bit of debt or living with their parents is now homeless by their metrics.


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    #106
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Old diesel wrote: »
    As a percentage of population the German figure is 0.3 percent.

    Irelands is 0.2 percent.

    So we’re below Germany?

    A well spoken about booming country.

    The German figure is calculated different to ours in that (for example) someone sleeping on their friends couch is counted as homeless or in "unconventional dwellings"


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    #107
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Old diesel wrote: »
    The German figure is calculated different to ours in that (for example) someone sleeping on their friends couch is counted as homeless or in "unconventional dwellings"

    Just stop please.

    We all know the scams in Ireland now with regard homelessness etc to get a free forever home.

    It’s a farce at this stage and I’m sure people here don’t want to go over to it again.

    Margaret Cash, Erica Fleming have done a disservice to the real homeless which is a fraction of 10,000.


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    #108
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Old diesel wrote: »
    The German figure is calculated different to ours in that (for example) someone sleeping on their friends couch is counted as homeless or in "unconventional dwellings"

    Just stop please.

    We all know the scams in Ireland now with regard homelessness etc to get a free forever home.

    It’s a farce at this stage and I’m sure people here don’t want to go over to it again.

    Margaret Cash, Erica Fleming have done a disservice to the real homeless which is a fraction of 10,000.

    Who in the 10,000 is counted as homeless that actually isnt.


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    #109
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Just stop please.

    We all know the scams in Ireland now with regard homelessness etc to get a free forever home.

    It’s a farce at this stage and I’m sure people here don’t want to go over to it again.

    Margaret Cash, Erica Fleming have done a disservice to the real homeless which is a fraction of 10,000.

    in one way im glad shes around , a perpetual reoffender with double digit convictions , a drink problem , demanding a free house in the city without need for one , keeping her kids out of school to go protesting with her and buying them all designer 'leisure wear' and expensive runners.

    Shes the walking poster girl for the stereotype of 'dole parasite' that many politicians claim does not exist. Her continued presence sews dissent among dinnertime conversation and really puts the reasonable back into 'maybe everyone shouldnt get a free house'


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    #110
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,296 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Old diesel wrote: »
    But you could also argue that Landlords pushing for lower reg environment also have a vested interest in arguing that the problem "isn't as bad as reported".
    I'd say they'd love to know what the HAP standards are.
    Slydice wrote: »
    There are now 10,264 recorded homeless. 3,784 are Children.

    The report:
    The Homelessness Report February 2019 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_february_2019.pdf
    If "dependants" are children, why do they say dependants and not children in the report?


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    #111
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Who in the 10,000 is counted as homeless that actually isnt.

    * people living with their parents who just threw themselves on the list because its what you do now
    * people who have been offered properties and declined, holding out for better offers
    * those currently privately renting who are eligible for the HAP scheme but can't find a place that takes it to move to.
    * the lads living with the mother of their child but she declares he's not there for lone parents allowance and he declares himself 'homeless'
    * People living in cash paid for rental accomodation or as licensee's who count as homeless due to the ability to be evicted quickly.
    * People living in non traditional housing (e.g. people being building 'caretakers' living in vacant commercial premesis etc.. )


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    #112
    [Deleted User]
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    Any figures on the number of people who were housed in that period?


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    #113
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Eric Cartman wrote:
    every time these reports come out, theyve broadened the definition of homelessness to the point at which anyone with a bit of debt or living with their parents is now homeless by their metrics.


    The definition of homelessness hasn't changed in the last 20 years. Well that's not quite true. About a year ago the government rehashed the way we classify homelessness. This reduced the figure & until today kept it below 10k. The true figure based on how we have always classified homelessness is actually over 11k.


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    #114
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The definition of homelessness hasn't changed in the last 20 years. Well that's not quite true. About a year ago the government rehashed the way we classify homelessness. This reduced the figure & until today kept it below 10k. The true figure based on how we have always classified homelessness is actually over 11k.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/losing_your_home/homelessness.html
    Section 2 of the Housing Act 1988 states that you are considered homeless if:

    There is no accommodation available that, in the opinion of the local authority, you and any other person who normally lives with you or who might reasonably be expected to live with you, can reasonably occupy or remain in occupation of, or
    You are living in a hospital, county home, night shelter or other such institution, and you are living there because you have no suitable accommodation or
    You are, in the opinion of the local authority, unable to provide accommodation from your own resources
    In general, you may be considered homeless if you are:

    Sleeping rough
    Staying in an emergency hostel or refuge
    Staying in bed and breakfast or hotel accommodation on a temporary basis
    Staying temporarily with friends or family because you have nowhere else to go
    Squatting (occupying a building illegally)
    Often the term ‘out-of-home’ is used to refer to people who have nowhere to live. This term recognises the fact that you may have a home that you cannot return to (for whatever reason).

    This definition has remained the same since 88, but what has changed is what the statements in bold reffer to.

    Bedsits, unregistered cash accomodation, licensee agreements, seperated people living together, no longer suitable. Accomodation that doesnt meet the HAP requirements - no longer suitable, can't afford to live in dublin but youve put yourself on the list there - unable to provide accomodation for yourself.

    Many government reforms kicked the low end out of the accomodation market, specifically licencees, granny flats, bedsits, cash in hand rental deals. The numbers are inflating as single working people are being added to the list because all the avenues for them to live somewhere (except house sharing which is the only one untouched thus far) has been taken from the system.


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    #115
    marthabarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭marthabarry


    There are too many now who expect someone else to 'supply' their house free and in the place they want. By allowing this refusal of what you don't want the problem just seems to get worse. There are too many who are happy to sit in a hotel room paid for by the state and wait and wait until they get what they want! Is that someone who is desperate for a house??
    Also as someone else mentioned people who actually live together but pretend not in order to claim extra!


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    #116
    Klonker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    marthabarry wrote:
    There are too many now who expect someone else to 'supply' their house free and in the place they want. By allowing this refusal of what you don't want the problem just seems to get worse. There are too many who are happy to sit in a hotel room paid for by the state and wait and wait until they get what they want! Is that someone who is desperate for a house?? Also as someone else mentioned people who actually live together but pretend not in order to claim extra!


    Yeah I'd be interested in seeing some stats behind the homeless figure. How many are 'single mothers'? If they are a 'single mother' how many of the father's are being chased for maintenance before we the taxpayer have to pay for it? how many are in any kind of employment?

    I've no problem with a lowly paid working couple getting help, in fact I think we should be doing more of this. What I do have a problem with is people who have no interested in even trying to support themselves and their dependents (don't have children if you can't afford look after them, future benefit leaches we'll be paying for).


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    #117
    [Deleted User]
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    1,700 homes provided in Dublin alone in the last year. How many did that take off the housing list and why are there so many declaring themselves homeless?
    The simple answer is that the majority of them are willing to accept short term pain for long term gain. They know that someone else will provide their foreva home for them.


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    #118
    bri007
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭bri007


    There’s a guy I use to go to school woth years ago, was once friends with him but once I moved out of home stopped being friends with him.

    Met up with him recently as we were living back at home saving for deposit on a house. He was telling me his parents are selling the family home and moving down the country to retire. He is 36 years old, hasn’t worked in around 3 years, tried a few different jobs here and there he was telling me but didn’t like it.

    He now has a dilemma as his parents haven’t shared the invitation of relocating down the country.

    He has classed himself as homeless and stated to the council he is sleeping on a friends couch. He said he will be years before he gets a place, and himself and his girlfriend are thinking now of having a baby as well. I kind of lost it when he started saying all this and realized there was a reason I stopped being friends with him. Anyway long story short he’s now classed as homeless. I wonder how many more people are doing this?


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    #119
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    bri007 wrote: »
    There’s a guy I use to go to school woth years ago, was once friends with him but once I moved out of home stopped being friends with him.

    Met up with him recently as we were living back at home saving for deposit on a house. He was telling me his parents are selling the family home and moving down the country to retire. He is 36 years old, hasn’t worked in around 3 years, tried a few different jobs here and there he was telling me but didn’t like it.

    He now has a dilemma as his parents haven’t shared the invitation of relocating down the country.

    He has classed himself as homeless and stated to the council he is sleeping on a friends couch. He said he will be years before he gets a place, and himself and his girlfriend are thinking now of having a baby as well. I kind of lost it when he started saying all this and realized there was a reason I stopped being friends with him. Anyway long story short he’s now classed as homeless. I wonder how many more people are doing this?

    It’s one big scam and gravy train.


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    #120
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    We know there is a housing shortage.

    This means logically you will get more homelessness.

    Some homes get supplied but if numbers increase of people without a home increases - this implies that housing supply isn't catching up with demand.


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    #121
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    We know there is a housing shortage.

    This means logically you will get more homelessness.

    Some homes get supplied but if numbers increase of people without a home increases - this implies that housing supply isn't catching up with demand.


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