Homelessness on the rise (over 130 more children) - Mod Warning Post #392

CoffeeBean2

Blueshoe wrote: »

I don't mind immigrants. Each country needs a sensible immigration policy that only allows in a certain quota to fill skill shortages. Immigrants who want to work and contribute. Just normal people. They are welcome if there is employment and the infrastructure available. If not then no thanks.

Exactly, we have more than enough scrounge unemployed layabouts here to keep us going for sometime to come.

The vast majority of migrants are hard workers.

CoffeeBean2

What are the numbers of people receiving HAP? I'm unable to find them, but from memory they were very high, and have mushroom in the last few years.

This is going to break our economy. It is not the governments job to house that many people. Yes the should support those on the fringes, but that's it.

Regarding single parent families, there is a father somewhere, but because it is more beneficial to be single, the father becomes invisible. I've see this first hand three times since last December. A small family getting housed in a hotel. The full time working father secretly came in each night, and would have a few pints in the hotel bar too!

LillySV

No one should be getting a free house for life... they should be offered low cost rental units on the outskirts of towns and cities and pay an affordable part of their wages/jobseekers payment towards it... temporary arrangement.... they should be supporting themselves eventually! This crap where half the country is taxed up to their eyes to find the other “entitled “ people has to end . Why for instance is long term unemployed people getting put up in hotels and buildings in Dublin city centre!!? They’re not gettin up to work in the morn!! Offer them accommodation on outskirts of Dublin or an affordable area outside the city centre!

Blueshoe

LillySV wrote: »

This crap where half the country is taxed up to their eyes to find the other “entitled “ people has to end

Wait until you hit retirement and there is no state pension. All of your years of hard work and nothing back. All pissed away on non contributers

Spanish Eyes

There is a choice based letting system in operation now, whereby applicants can bid for a property that they are interested in. According to reports it works well as it involves the applicant in actively pursuing a suitable property rather than being allocated an unsuitable one, and rejecting it (that's another issue for another day).

I am not sure how it is working on the ground though. Anyone know?

Another thing I would like to see changed is the boundaries for allocation of social housing. If you live in DCC you are placed on that Council's list, same for SDCC, DLR. I am not sure if they overlap at all, i.e. an applicant in DLR likes a property in SDCC for commuting purposes and so on. Makes sense to me, and maybe it is happening I don't know, if it isn't it is high time it was!

There really should be a National Housing Authority whereby anyone can apply/bid for a property outside their Council boundary anywhere in the country.

Would be interested if anyone knows if this happens. It is a feature of councils in the UK from what I have read, and makes sense to me. But sure what do I know!

LillySV

Blueshoe wrote: »

Wait until you hit retirement and there is no state pension. All of your years of hard work and nothing back. All pissed away on non contributers

I know ... the middle income pays worker has been the one constantly hit by our lovely govt cause we take it.... absolutely no one to stand up for us ....

Spanish Eyes

LillySV wrote: »

I know ... the middle income pays worker has been the one constantly hit by our lovely govt cause we take it.... absolutely no one to stand up for us ....

I know, I think we need an ERAWC Party now....

Early Risers And Working Contributors Party

Stop moaning ffs

Blueshoe wrote: »

Wait until you hit retirement and there is no state pension. All of your years of hard work and nothing back. All pissed away on non contributers

No, it was pissed away by successive governments misspending it on schemes that never come in under budget and often don’t happen.

Government did that. Not regular people.


Are you even Irish? Do you live here? You should know this. The dogs on the street know this. Somehow you don’t?

Blueshoe

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

No, it was pissed away by successive governments misspending it on schemes that never come in under budget and often don’t happen.

Government did that. Not regular people.


Are you even Irish? Do you live here? You should know this. The dogs on the street know this. Somehow you don’t?

Social welfare spending is 20 billion per year. How much of that is hand outs to non contributors?

A one off hospital or road overspend is nothing in comparison.

Gumbo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

No, it was pissed away by successive governments misspending it on schemes that never come in under budget and often don’t happen.

Government did that. Not regular people.


Are you even Irish? Do you live here? You should know this. The dogs on the street know this. Somehow you don’t?

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Stop moaning ffs

Blueshoe wrote: »

Social welfare spending is 20 billion per year. How much of that is hand outs to non contributors?

A one off hospital or road overspend is nothing in comparison.

20 billion.

Are you sure. Is that your final answer?

Blueshoe

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

20 billion.

Are you sure. Is that your final answer?

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

From the horses mouth

Gumbo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

20 billion.

Are you sure. Is that your final answer?

€20.6 Billion so actually more than what the poster posted.

Graham

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Folks, the topic is homelessness. If you'd like to discuss general social welfare there are other forums.

There will be no more warnings.

enricoh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“Homeless Crisis In Numbers

36,000 - The number of new housing units that business group IBEC estimates are needed to be built a year to tackle the housing crisis

20,000 - The "very optimistic figure" for 2019 that Focus Ireland believes will be built

56%- The percentage of homeless who originate from outside of Ireland

58% - The percentage of homeless families consisting of just one parent

3,794 - The number of children living in emergency accommodation in Ireland, according to the Department of Housing

5,000 - The number of homeless people who moved into independent tenancies in 2018.

Indo Review”
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/we-have-done-nothing-wrong-a-day-in-the-life-of-a-homeless-family-38260238.html

5,000 homeless people homed. Why doesn’t this get more publicity?

56% of homeless are not irish?
Wow! Never mentioned on rte that bit!
A never ending crisis so, they'll just keep coming, even moreso after brexit.

Cal4567

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Cal4567

enricoh wrote: »

56% of homeless are not irish?
Wow! Never mentioned on rte that bit!
A never ending crisis so, they'll just keep coming, even moreso after brexit.

Think about it though. With there being ever fewer landlords across the country, their only other option is to go to the council and get on the waiting list. Yes, I think it would be a vote winner to tie freedom of movement more with state benefits such as a right to housing and certainly in light of Brexit.

Graces7

Some more interesting statistics re council properties lying empty etc. Sheerly ?What other business would allow this in this current near-emergency situation?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/thousands-of-council-homes-lying-vacant-as-housing-crisis-rolls-on-494463

Jupiter Mulligan

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

The relentless anger against homeless people and homeless families on these very forums is telling. When they actually admit they exist and there is a housing crisis that is. Some here would tell you there is neither. People are either ignorant of the facts or realities or are just argumentative toolbags

Translation - I know everything that there is to be known about homelessness in Ireland and I simply cannot abide people disagreeing with me.

Hence, from the dizzy heights of my erudition, I condemn the naysayers as argumentative toolbags.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Macha wrote: »

It doesn't matter what field it is, this applies to many fields and you're missing the point.

Should having children only be the preserve of the wealthiest 20%, or those lucky enough to inherit property? There are a million reasons why someone could go from a stable financial situation to struggling, especially in Ireland where everything is so goddamn expensive (thanks in part to the entirely mismanaged housing sector).

Yeah, how dare people assume they will not struggle to find secure, stable housing and have children. The bare faced cheek of them.

+1

People saying that you should only have children if you can afford it - do they not realise that people’s financial situation can deteriorate and sometimes that can’t be predicted? Ill-health, redundancy, the death of the higher-earning spouse. Not every parent who is struggling made the decision knowing that they couldn’t afford it.

NIMAN

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

+1

People saying that you should only have children if you can afford it - do they not realise that people’s financial situation can deteriorate and sometimes that can’t be predicted? Ill-health, redundancy, the death of the higher-earning spouse. Not every parent who is struggling made the decision knowing that they couldn’t afford it.

Of course this can happen, but what about 21 yr old with no work, no interest in work, no qualifications, with 3 kids. And counting?

Do you think someone like this, or Margaret Cash who has 7 kids at 28, should be producing as many kids as they want, and then put pressure on the state to house them?

Do you believe in any personal responsibility at all?

Do you think it's fair that working people have to ask themselves "can we afford another child" while some churn them out when they have no job and nowhere to live?

TSQ

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

+1

People saying that you should only have children if you can afford it - do they not realise that people’s financial situation can deteriorate and sometimes that can’t be predicted? Ill-health, redundancy, the death of the higher-earning spouse. Not every parent who is struggling made the decision knowing that they couldn’t afford it.

Your post is deliberately disingenuous. Obviously, the people you reference could afford to support a family at the time. No-one is suggesting they should have to get rid of the kids if they subsequently fall on hard times. It is quite obvious the many negative posts relate to those never-employed who have big families and use the social supports that follow as an alternative to working

Stop moaning ffs

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Translation - I know everything that there is to be known about homelessness in Ireland and I simply cannot abide people disagreeing with me.

Hence, from the dizzy heights of my erudition, I condemn the naysayers as argumentative toolbags.

Eh what?

The Specialist

Cut the spoofers, the parasites, the game players and the non nationals out of that 10k figure and then let’s look at it. Until then, stop expecting any sympathy from the ****ing taxpayers funding these cretins. I literally could not care less about the topic.