Homelessness on the rise (over 130 more children) - Mod Warning Post #392

Gatling

There seems be be a want for the perfect new build council house in the perfect estate or they are not interested,
And add the fact people in hotels pay zero financial contributions to there says or utilities and In cases meals .

Makes you wonder why nobody seems to want to leave the so called hellish conditions living in a hotel brings

hmmm

No-one believes the "homeless" figures any more, too many people gaming the system. People who live in a smaller house than they would like, or who live at home with family are not "homeless".

Let's get a proper set of figures for a start.

sabat

Coverage of this report:
Almost 200 children became homeless in the past month in Dublin
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...blin-1.3674650
Quote:
according to Focus Ireland, a total of of 88 families with 193 children became newly homeless in Dublin in September

Do they have a breakdown of what percentage of these are newly arrived in the country and not, as the article implies, families who were already living here and lost their home? It is a fact that people are showing up and going straight into the system, a problem that will only become worse as Brexit looms closer. No-one who lives or works in Dublin city centre can have failed to notice the increased number of gypsy families around the place.

Slydice

The Homelessness Report November 2018 has been released:
https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_november_2018.pdf

Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes

or:

The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.

Coverage of this report:
Almost 10,000 people to be homeless for Christmas
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/almost-10000-people-to-be-homeless-for-christmas-893396.html

“The overall picture is very clear,” Mr Allen said.
“The situation is continuing to deteriorate very rapidly. The [government] policies are not having the effect we would like.”

Almost 10,000 in emergency accommodation for Christmas
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/almost-10-000-in-emergency-accommodation-for-christmas-1.3738787

Pat Dennigan said. “We need greater action and must not to tolerate the fact that nearly 4,000 children are homeless in our society.

New figures reveal almost 10,000 people homeless in Ireland at Christmas
https://www.joe.ie/news/ireland-homeless-figures-2018-652649

Focus Ireland responded to the data, contending that a shift in government policy is "vital" in 2019.
"This is wrong and must change," noted the charity.

Tweets:
https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1075797158014664704
https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1075802974574784512
https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/1075845663143940104
https://twitter.com/Barnardos_IRL/status/1075815092355248132



Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
Focus Ireland: Why are so many families becoming homeless?
The root cause of the homeless crisis in Ireland is the broken housing system
https://www.irishtimes.com/advertising-feature/focus-ireland-why-are-so-many-families-becoming-homeless-1.3730061

More than one in three people in emergency accommodation is a child. However, this number does not include ‘hidden homelessness’ which refers to people who are living in squats or ‘sofa surfing’ with friends. Furthermore, women and children staying in domestic violence refuges are not included in these homeless emergency accommodation counts. The national figure also does not include people who are sleeping rough.

Report finds warning signs today similar to those ignored before economic crisis
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/report-finds-warning-signs-today-similar-to-those-ignored-before-economic-crisis-892993.html

It is beginning to suffer from capacity issues like rapid house price inflation and traffic congestion.
It has found warning signs like these were ignored prior to the economic crisis and unsustainable growth will lead to a return to boom and bust.

Soaring fuel and rental costs push up the cost of living
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/two-thirds-of-renters-struggling-to-meet-monthly-rental-costs-886770.html

in November, compared to the same month last year, while it was 7% more expensive to rent one’s home

NIMAN

the_syco wrote: »

Is there figures of what percentage of the homeless have turned down a house?

I'm sure each county council must have figures.

Donegal released theirs last week. 40%.

Gatling

So op still no opinion on any of this ,

Other than copy and paste news dumps

uli84

Are we talking people living in the hotels or actually homeless?

Graces7

Subutai wrote: »

You have anecdotes. I have the official criteria on which the counts are based and which the OECD uses for comparison.

It's not nice when the facts don't suit your narrative. That doesn't make them any less true. Our definition of homelessness is more restrictive than many countries. Contrary to your assertions here, the Canadians include those in shelters as homeless.

I have family working in Canada with the homeless ie street dwellers, mothers living with their kids in cars. They take part in govt audits every year.

So away with your "anecdotes" please.! No anecdotes about eg providing bales of hay to folk sleeping on the streets to try to keep them alive, or finding folk they fed the day before frozen to death. These are the realities my family and colleagues deal with; also you do need to take climate into account

And yes I am talking about rough sleepers. Not hostels.

Last audit was nearly 3 million.

Graces7

Nicole Gigantic Seashell wrote: »

This is certainly not the case for everyone, I’d wager a large proportion of people are not in such a precarious position.

Proof please?

Graces7

Klonker wrote: »

I'd be pretty sure most of our homeless are people who have never worked. Obviously there'll be a few who fell on hard times but majority would be Margaret Cash types.

Proof please? and are you talking re whole families? Easier to blame?

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

Proof please?

Proof of what exactly?

Old diesel

Actually people in the homeless sector reckon that the true homeless figure is HIGHER then stated due to the Departments recategorisation of some people who stay in section 10 funded accommodation as NOT homeless.

One of the new things now as the Irish times reported recently is "transitional accomodation".

Basically this is "own door accommodation" so you aren't on the homeless stats - but it is only temporary accomodation as by calling it transitional accommodation you get no part 4 rights.

18 Month maximum stay to prevent transitional accomodation gaining too many rights.

In any case the higher rents go up the more someone is likely to become homeless.

I see this week that workers in poverty stars are up to 109 k people so it's a real risk for people at the lower end of the ladder.

Mike3549

Could you please give me a reason, why people who have a roof over their heads for at least another 12 months should be called homeless? All this "homeless" thing is nuts.
Heard on a radio a couple months ago that adult kids who still live with their parents also should be included in those stats.
Whats next? People sharing rooms?

Eric Cartman

Assetbacked wrote: »

Stop having ****ing kids you can't afford.

+1, the amount of stories ive read with 'x, single mother of 2 who has been in emergency accommodation for 10 months and is expecting another child'

NIMAN

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1, the amount of stories ive read with 'x, single mother of 2 who has been in emergency accommodation for 10 months and is expecting another child'

Unless it was another immaculate conception, it's time the father's started to be held to account in all these homeless children cases.

Eric Cartman

NIMAN wrote: »

Unless it was another immaculate conception, it's time the father's started to be held to account in all these homeless children cases.

Most of the time theyre not on the scene at all, in prison or their presence would hurt the application/ reduce welfare payments so they stay in the shaddows until she has a house and then BOOM theyre suddenly living there off the books.

Eric Cartman

Mike3549 wrote: »

Could you please give me a reason, why people who have a roof over their heads for at least another 12 months should be called homeless? All this "homeless" thing is nuts.
Heard on a radio a couple months ago that adult kids who still live with their parents also should be included in those stats.
Whats next? People sharing rooms?

sure some agencies consider non prtb registered rentals or people living at home paying no rent as homeless due to their 'huge risk of homelessness'

NIMAN

Eric Cartman wrote: »

sure some agencies consider non prtb registered rentals or people living at home paying no rent as homeless due to their 'huge risk of homelessness'

Yeah, I think it's safe to say both sides are fudging the figures.

Spanish Eyes

homeless to me is living on the streets. Shelterless mostly by their own choice since the supports are there if they want them.

I would not give a penny to Focus or any other so called homeless charities because they are funded by our taxes, they have endless supports from us. But still moan. If people choose to live on the street there is not much we can do.

If people game the system by going into hotels/hubs and live day to day with relatives or parents in order to gain a property, not much we can do.

The homeless industry is rife with guilt tripping now.

Eric Cartman

Also a big thing a lot of people forget is that homeless people including rough sleepers are all collecting welfare. Merchants quay and focus Ireland offer them post receiving services and they can use the centres address to apply. The people shaking a cup at you asking for change or passed out in sleeping bags are collecting 188 euro a week.

Spanish Eyes

We are a very generous nation regarding supports.

Makes me ill this guilt tripping really. Spend your money the way you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to double up again and again.

OK the Christmas Guilt Trip is obvious.

The only charity I would ever contemplate is Brother Kevin in the Capuchins. No big CEO or that, and like he said, he will not judge anyone for availing of services, what a legened.

Mike3549

Mike3549 wrote: »

Could you please give me a reason, why people who have a roof over their heads for at least another 12 months should be called homeless? All this "homeless" thing is nuts.
Heard on a radio a couple months ago that adult kids who still live with their parents also should be included in those stats.
Whats next? People sharing rooms?

The main reason is without all these homeless people, there’s no need for the multitude of homeless businesses.

Slydice

Homeless children in hospital emergency department up 29%
Temple Street head medical social worker calls spike in presentations ‘shameful’
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-children-in-hospital-emergency-department-up-29-1.3765951

Lead emergency medical consultant Dr IK Okafor said the department treated 260 homeless children in the period from last October to December alone.

“Their presentations are varied and complex but in the majority they stem from the fact that these children are living in completely unsuitable, cramped and temporary accommodation,” he said.

The December 2018 Report:
The Homelessness Report December 2018 has been released:
https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_december_2018.pdf

Adult Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

A dip appears to happen for Family Homelessness each December (older 2016 figures also include it). I've included a quote from a Barnardos article (below their tweet) which is the only explanation I've seen put forward.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes

or:

The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.

Coverage of this report:
Govt accused of breaking promise that no homeless will sleep rough during deep freeze
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/govt-accused-of-breaking-promise-that-no-homeless-will-sleep-rough-during-deep-freeze-901168.html

Despite promises that no homeless person would sleep rough during this week's deep freeze, it has been claimed that 86 people were left on the streets of Dublin on Tuesday night.

The figure was revealed shortly before the Department of Housing released the December Homelessness Report which showed that there are 9,753 people in emergency accommodation. It includes 3,559 children.

There was an increase of 37 adults accessing emergency accommodation and a decrease in the number of families presenting to homeless services in Dublin.

Over 3,500 children in Ireland were homeless for Christmas in 2018
https://www.thejournal.ie/december-homeless-figures-4468155-Jan2019/

Yesterday, the Dublin Region Homeless Executive (DRHE) urged members of the public to report anyone sleeping rough in the capital as temperatures plunge over the next few days.

A Status Yellow weather warning issued by Met Éireann kicked in at 6am yesterday morning and will remain in place until 6pm on Saturday.

Tweets:
https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/1090664910223278080
https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1090658682004738048
https://twitter.com/Barnardos_IRL/status/1090665423228596224

June Tinsley, Head of Advocacy, Barnardos said: “A decrease in child homelessness in December is to be expected, as extended family and friends rally round to ensure children don’t have to spend Christmas in emergency accommodation. The number of children homeless in December 2018 is 42% higher than December 2016. Homelessness is not something any child should experience. It is not acceptable.

Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
Update: Charity has 'huge concerns' for homeless as Met Éireann issues snow and ice warning

With the risk of snow and a cold weather warning in place, I am appealing to the Minister to immediately initiate contingency measures and open as many beds as possible to reduce the risk of death on our streets.

"We have already seen rough sleeper deaths around the country since the turn of the year and are fearful we will see more deaths with the temperatures to drop so dramatically.”

Housing crisis ‘forcing families to choose between food and rent’
Children’s Rights Alliance warns of impact of homelessness on education and health
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/housing-crisis-forcing-families-to-choose-between-food-and-rent-1.3776123

The housing crisis is forcing some families to choose between paying the rent and eating, a leading expert on children’s rights has warned.

Tanya Ward, chief executive of the Children’s Rights Alliance, said many of the children affected would not appear in child poverty statistics.

Those low-income families which did not qualify for the housing assistance payment (HAP) faced rents of €1,900 a month, the average rent in Dublin, she pointed out.

'Vast amounts' of land available to tackle housing crisis, conference told
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0130/1026490-housing/

Architect Mel Reynolds told the conference in Dublin that half of all residential-zoned land in Dublin is State controlled, either being owned by a local authority or NAMA.

He said this would be enough to provide 71,000 new homes.

But he said increased supply had not led to lower house prices in the past and private housing is currently out of reach for low and middle-income earners.

According to CSO figures on wages, he said, the maximum price for an affordable house is €245,000 but the average price paid by a first time buyer in Dublin was €370,000.

Teachers speak out: 'Homeless students are being forced to live a double life'
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/two-thirds-of-renters-struggling-to-meet-monthly-rental-costs-886770.html

With the ever-growing number of children in Ireland becoming homeless and entering emergency accommodation, it will come as no surprise that a recent survey carried out by the Irish Primary Principals’ Network (IPPN) found that 27% of primary schools have students who are homeless.

Furthermore, 16% of respondents stated that there are children in their school who are living in direct provision.

Many of these children view school as a “safe haven”, but are being “forced to live a double life” because “they don’t really, in most cases, want anyone to know about their situation”, according to IPPN CEO Pairic Clerkin, who was speaking ahead of its annual principals’ conference.

https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1090644938088427523

overkill602

so you obviously support the homeless charity industry

Old diesel

overkill602 wrote: »

so you obviously support the homeless charity industry

He or she likely supports the idea that homelessness is a problem.

Most people I meet would agree

Let us focus on the positives. 252 less families were homeless in December compared to November.

Bearing in mind that we’re led to believe that approximately 100 families become homeless every month, that means 352 families got homes in December.

I reiterate my opinion that homelessness is an industry, not a problem.

Gatling

Old diesel wrote: »

He or she likely supports the idea that homelessness is a problem.

Nobody knows for sure because the op just does news dumps and zero discussion or interactions with the thread ,

Which isn't in the spirit of a forum

Graces7

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are a very generous nation regarding supports.

Makes me ill this guilt tripping really. Spend your money the way you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to double up again and again.

OK the Christmas Guilt Trip is obvious.

The only charity I would ever contemplate is Brother Kevin in the Capuchins. No big CEO or that, and like he said, he will not judge anyone for availing of services, what a legened.

I had the privilege of a long chat with him a few years ago and agree wholeheartedly with you. A humbler and more realistic warmhearted man you could not meet

Slydice

The Homelessness Report January 2019 has been released:
https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_january_2019.pdf

Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

Homelessness (Adults)


Family Homelessness


The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes

or:

The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.

Coverage of this report:
Number of homeless children increases by 10% in past year
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-of-homeless-children-increases-by-10-in-past-year-1.3808670

The number of homeless children has increased by 10 per cent in the past year, from 3,267 in January 2018 to 3,624 last month

'A national trauma': There are now 9,987 people living in homeless accommodation in Ireland
https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-numbers-3-4516053-Feb2019/


Tweets:
https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/1100797429207703552
https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/1100820294053302279
https://twitter.com/Barnardos_IRL/status/1100813687584186370
https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1100800257842204673
https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1100816815175942145


Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
Government urged to recognise child homelessness as national emergency
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/government-urged-recognise-child-homelessness-15892418

CEO of The Children’s Rights Alliance (CRA), Tanya War, slapped the government with an F grade, its lowest grade ever for its failure to tackle childhood homelessness.

Rents and house prices will continue to rise despite increases in housing supply - Goodbody
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/rents-and-house-prices-will-continue-to-rise-despite-increases-in-housing-supply--goodbody-902971.html

Rents and house prices will likely rise for a number of years as the supply of new homes won’t start meeting demand before 2023 at the earliest, according to broker Goodbody.

Tenants faced with 'huge' housing disadvantage - Simon Communities react to Daft.ie report
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/tenants-faced-with-huge-housing-disadvantage-simon-communities-react-to-daftie-report-903407.html

The Simon Communities of Ireland have said that the rental report shows that tenants nationwide are faced with a “huge disadvantage” in terms of housing.

The homelessness and housing organisation said that while it is encouraging that the number of properties available to rent nationally showed rare signs of increase, availability of affordable housing in the private sector remains far too low nationwide.

Concerns raised over ‘expensive and isolating’ on-campus accommodation
https://universityobserver.ie/concerns-raised-over-expensive-and-isolating-on-campus-accommodation/

“All these things lead to an overall crisis where demand far exceeds supply, and not only does demand exceed supply, the supply that there is does not suit the demand, so it is either substandard or too luxurious and it’s very difficult to find something in the middle,”

I can’t see anything in your post about the 100 families who exited homeless accommodation in January.

If the 5 charities you quoted pooled their resources, they’d free up many millions of Euro to house many of those homeless.