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Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

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    #6572
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,509 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all

    Wait, what?

    You think that Trump is using the US justice apparatus to somehow target his political opponents?


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    #6573
    Rjd2
    Registered Users Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all

    This arrest reflects pretty poorly on the whole Trump organisation tbh. The Obama DOJ did not want to prosecute him, but the next presidents men did. This has got Bolton's grubby fingers all over it. Man is a psychopath.

    Their will be no Netflix style silly type of deal you are referring to.


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    #6574
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all

    It could just as easily have been an abduction by extra-terrestrial aliens disguised as police trying to get him to delete his insurance file because it contains pictures of the alien leader playing basketball with Obama.

    I pulled that idea from the same place where you keep finding yours.


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    #6575
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    And now Trump no longer wants to report deaths http://time.com/5546366/trump-cancels-drone-strike-rule/

    Disgraceful that he's revoked that order and would certainly be interested in hearing him, or the secretary of defense, challenged on it.

    Good to see these kind of criticisms of Trump on the thread rather than just the usual stick to beat him with stuff which tends to override.


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    #6576
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Wait, what?

    You think that Trump is using the US justice apparatus to somehow target his political opponents?

    Double wait what?

    I think it was Trump's long time friend Mr. Stone who is "in the barrel" for being in contact with wikileaks?


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    #6577
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Good to see these kind of criticisms of Trump on the thread rather than just the usual stick to beat him with stuff which tends to override.

    It sure is and has been going on for quite some time.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Many of those here who were pro-Trump in the election because he'd reduce drone use - well, you got your wish! He's instructed the CIA to stop reporting on drone-caused casualties! #win!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0307/1034805-trump_drones/

    "US President Donald Trump has revoked a policy that required the Central Intelligence Agency to account for civilian deaths from drone strikes."

    See? Problem solved in Trumpworld!
    amandstu wrote: »

    "President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones."
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

    Is that counterproductive? If they can't be bothered to record efforts to limit civilian deaths in drone strikes the (1) it has the effect of indirectly relaxing the rules of engagement and

    (b) handing more credibility to the other side who can make specious (or genuine) claims and drum up extra support.
    Havockk wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47480207

    So much for draining the swamp. Donald IS the swamp.

    1,878 Drone strikes in TOTAL under Obama in 8 years
    2,243 in 2 years under Trump

    And worst of all, they no longer have to report about them. What a mess of corruption.
    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Worse still, they no longer have to report on civilian deaths resulting from drone strikes.

    Horrific! Imagine how many innocent Yemenis will be slaughtered in 2019 as a result and we will never even hear about it!

    If there is an afterlife, these evil murderers deserve the hottest place in Hell for all eternity!


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    #6578
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    For those of us who have kept informed and can remember farther back than two weeks ago, Russian loans have always been an angle. I understand your desire to portray this as something new but when Russian money has been such a central part of the allegations against Trump for so long, it gives your game away.

    I have no game (why would people opposed to you be involved in a “game”) except to pour scorn on the vast majority of the russkies under the bed nonsense which generally rules on this this thread. Trump should probably be impeached for his inability to actually govern and mental inability but the Russian stuff is for children.

    Remember the Logan act? Louis Mensch and the death penalty for Bannon. All of Seth Abramhsom. The insanity that prevailed then and now. None of that was true.

    By the way you can google anybody who opposes war in the American system and add “and Putin” and find the same conspiracy theories.

    Bernie Sanders and Putin


    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

    Jill stein and Putin.


    https://thinkprogress.org/russia-jill-stein-2016-election-interference-48dff3966227/

    Tulsi Goddard and Putin

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261


    AOC and Putin

    https://www.cfact.org/2019/02/13/aoc-would-make-a-great-poster-child-for-russia/

    Ron Paul and Putin.

    https://medium.com/@mayflower.twentytwenty/was-ron-pauls-2008-campaign-an-early-trial-run-for-russian-influence-4952f8269da

    And there are plenty more to come. Anybody who runs on the anti war ticket in future, left or libertarian will be pathologised a Putin (or Assad) stooge.


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    #6579
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,559 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all


    Now that's a strange one. Is there evidence for this suggestion?


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    #6580
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Remember the Logan act? Louis Mensch and the death penalty for Bannon. All of Seth Abramhsom. The insanity that prevailed then and now. None of that was true.

    I agree with some of what you say, however - in relation to the bold part - How do we know that?

    Is it not prudent to await to hear from Mueller?

    Oh, and there was a counter-intelligence operation launched by the intelligence services on Trump because they believed he may be compromised. Was that insanity?


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    #6581
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,243 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all

    You cannot be a real person!


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    #6582
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The amount of scandals in this administration.

    The Barr behaviour warrants its own thread.

    His memo pre-appointment, his PR handling of the report via various letters, his refusal to follow the lead of the two previous appointed Counsel to go to Court to seek the release of the grand jury info to give it to congress, the resurrection of the nonsense into the investigations into how the Russian interference was handled and the issuance of the FISA warrants, public use of the term "spying", then claiming to be unaware of the connotations, the ****ing all over the intelligence agencies - unbelievable.


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    #6583
    1eg0a3xv7b82of
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    Cody montana wrote: »
    You cannot be a real person!

    What u mean.
    What are you accusing me of

    This has trumps finger prints all over it
    He has Barr in place and they will take assanges evidence on the Democrats not on republican and it is going to be payback time
    Assange will help back some democrat emails as insurance
    Things are going to get really ugly
    Go get them Donald

    Link below between Moreno and trump

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-wikileaks-trumps-newest-puppet-ecuadorian-president-lenin-moreno/5661491/amp


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    #6584
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    The assange arrest has been organized by someone
    Would not be surprised if this trumps doing a deal cut to bring down the democrat party for once and all

    And leave a one party state in place? Woohoo let the dictator times role.


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    #6585
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,559 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    What u mean.
    What are you accusing me of

    This has trumps finger prints all over it
    He has Barr in place and they will take assanges evidence on the Democrats not on republican and it is going to be payback time
    Assange will help back some democrat emails as insurance
    Things are going to get really ugly
    Go get them Donald

    Just one snag with your theory, it's the Trump Admin that is now getting the extradition to the US done, not something Assange wanted in any case. If you think the Dems don't want him back in the US to subpoena him to answer their questions before a committee in congress you must have something similar to the info Assange seems to have on what really happened during the election. Do you really honestly think the extradition is a Republican plot to get Assange to revel dirt on the Democrats?


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    #6586
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,509 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    What u mean.
    What are you accusing me of

    This has trumps finger prints all over it
    He has Barr in place and they will take assanges evidence on the Democrats not on republican and it is going to be payback time
    Assange will help back some democrat emails as insurance
    Things are going to get really ugly
    Go get them Donald

    Link below between Moreno and trump

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-wikileaks-trumps-newest-puppet-ecuadorian-president-lenin-moreno/5661491/amp

    And you are perfectly happy with a politician abusing the powers of the state to bring down his political enemies?

    Yet you also think there is absolutely no way he would have looked for help in winning an election from a foreign power?


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    #6587
    1eg0a3xv7b82of
    Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Just one snag with your theory, it's the Trump Admin that is now getting the extradition to the US done, not something Assange wanted in any case. If you think the Dems don't want him back in the US to subpoena him to answer their questions before a committee in congress you must have something similar to the info Assange seems to have on what really happened during the election. Do you really honestly think the extradition is a Republican plot to get Assange to revel dirt on the Democrats?

    Look at the link I added in my last post


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    #6588
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Karsyn Tender Rifle wrote: »
    What u mean.
    What are you accusing me of

    This has trumps finger prints all over it
    He has Barr in place and they will take assanges evidence on the Democrats not on republican and it is going to be payback time
    Assange will help back some democrat emails as insurance
    Things are going to get really ugly
    Go get them Donald

    Link below between Moreno and trump

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-wikileaks-trumps-newest-puppet-ecuadorian-president-lenin-moreno/5661491/amp

    If you think he only has details on the Dems and nothing on the Republicans held back, you need to have a rethink.


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    #6589
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    If you think he only has details on the Dems and nothing on the Republicans held back, you need to have a rethink.

    https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1116327999580844034?s=19

    So at the moment - nothing to do with Trump!


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    #6590
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    everlast75 wrote: »

    So at the moment - nothing to do with Trump!

    TBF not just Trump wanted him. Not like Trump's predecessor wouldn't have been happy to get him out of that embassy as well.

    If he indeed conspired to commit a crime, he conspired to commit a crime and should be brought to justice. The US is a nation of laws and unforgiving.


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    #6591
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭eire4


    everlast75 wrote: »
    The amount of scandals in this administration.

    The Barr behaviour warrants its own thread.

    His memo pre-appointment, his PR handling of the report via various letters, his refusal to follow the lead of the two previous appointed Counsel to go to Court to seek the release of the grand jury info to give it to congress, the resurrection of the nonsense into the investigations into how the Russian interference was handled and the issuance of the FISA warrants, public use of the term "spying", then claiming to be unaware of the connotations, the ****ing all over the intelligence agencies - unbelievable.

    He also went into a wild Republican party political broadcast when refusing to answer a direct question on how many people would lose health care if the DOJ's case against the ACA is successful. To say the guy is an overt politician rather then an independent AG is a massive understatement.


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    #6592
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    eire4 wrote: »
    He also went into a wild Republican party political broadcast when refusing to answer a direct question on how many people would lose health care if the DOJ's case against the ACA is successful. To say the guy is an overt politician rather then an independent AG is a massive understatement.

    Forgot that one!
    He also refused to clarify if he briefed the white house on the report while simultaneously delayed giving it to the Intelligence committee


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    #6593
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Forgot that one!
    He also refused to clarify if he briefed the white house on the report while simultaneously delayed giving it to the Intelligence committee

    He said he'd discuss that in the hearings once the redacted report was made public which will probably be this weekend.

    Barr was very impressive during those short hearings, however he hasn't been properly grilled yet so we'll see.


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    #6594
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Good to see that some tGOP senators are against the two clowns Trump is nominating for the Fed board - Herman Cain (he of the amazingly creepy 2011 tGOP video and paleo-#Metoo fame), and clueless Stephen Moore.

    Kudlow is in favor of them, which more than anything cements that this is a bad idea.

    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/438421-kudlow-trump-stands-behind-herman-cain-at-the-moment


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    #6595
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,509 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    peddlelies wrote: »
    Barr was very impressive during those short hearings, however he hasn't been properly grilled yet so we'll see.

    In what way was he impressive?


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    #6596
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    In what way was he impressive?

    Calm, composed, articulate, throughout, factual. Plenty of adjectives you can choose to describe his performance.


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    #6597
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,338 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    In what way was he impressive?

    He didn't cry about how much he liked beer like Brett Kavanaugh for a start.

    Regardless of opinions on if or how much he was trying to conceal, he spoke pretty well and in a way that didn't illicit much challenge. He's probably one of the most competent people Trump has hired (though the intent and purpose he hired him for are up for debate).


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    #6598
    DreamsBurnDown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭DreamsBurnDown


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    I'm not joking. Trump is a lowlife in so many ways that in order to support him, one needs to lower the bar so far so that Trump is always above that bar.

    What is this bar you speak of?

    I think what a lot of posters are missing on this thread is that most Americans have long ago abandoned any concept of ethics and morality in their politicians. It's one of the reasons Congress has an 17% approval rating and perhaps the main reason someone like Trump could be elected.

    In living memory, you can start with Nixon, but it's not as if Democrats haven't done their share to lower the morality bar to near zero. Ted Kennedy left a woman to die in a car he had driven into the water while most likely drunk and didn't feel the urge to call for help until nine hours later. There were two homes a few minutes from the accident scene that he walked past but didn't see fit to call for help (there is some evidence she lived for possibly hours inside the car). He should have been charged with manslaughter, period. Instead he became a political icon.

    Bill Clinton performed sex acts with a 22 year old intern in the White House, something any senior manager or CEO would be fired for, even back then. He was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick, a Democrat, who has maintained to this day he raped her. Yet all Democrats in the Senate voted to keep him in office.

    Look at Virginia, three Democratic politicians in a bit of bother recently, two for wearing blackface and the third accused by two women of sexual assault. Months afterwards they are all still in office, and the story has died. Is it any wonder people don't take politicians seriously any longer?

    My point isn't in any way to defend Trump's behavior, as he is undoubtedly a sleazebag, or to defend any behavior by Republicans. It's simply to point out that most Americans expect nothing from their politicians when it comes to ethics or morality, and why would they? Democrats point at Republicans and ask how can you support Trump given his immorality, and Republicans ask are you even been serious given who you have supported (and many Democrats still defend).


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    #6599
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    peddlelies wrote: »
    He said he'd discuss that in the hearings once the redacted report was made public which will probably be this weekend.

    So what I said was right then? he refused to clarify it when asked...


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    #6600
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/712058129/greg-craig-ex-white-house-counsel-expects-charges-in-ukraine-case-lawyers-say

    "Greg Craig, Ex-White House Counsel, Expects Charges In Ukraine Case, Lawyers Say"

    Good.

    Anyone caught should be prosecuted.

    This isn't about Dems Vs Republicans.

    Go after anyone regardless of what their party affiliation is.


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    #6601
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    everlast75 wrote: »
    So what I said was right then? he refused to clarify it when asked...

    Yes, you're right that he didn't answer that question when asked but it's worth adding in the context that all those questions will all be answered willingly by him in a few days.


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