Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Laois_Man · 08-04-2019 05:20PM

Scoondal wrote: »

If a country takes actions that breaks an internationally recognised peace agreement, then the UN can impose sanctions on such a country. Either that or Mrs. May revokes article 50.

Hypothetically - there'd be several years of legal arguing that the GFA has been broken - dragged out for as long as possible

Meanwhile our Agri-meat and dairy sector will have gone bust.

Hypothetical because if they do leave on Friday with no deal, you would expect the UK will have decided to play ball before this year is out.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

It's not like the off-the-shelf partial customs union deals of Turkey or Norway as the UK is a nett importer of Food, Fuel and Raw Materials.

So what sort of cherry picked I can't believe it's not a customs union do they want ?

Fek knows!!! The Corbyn statements on it have been so vague, I'm not sure he knows himself! In fact, I am certain he doesn't.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-04-2019 05:29PM

I think we all know there has to be a deal as it's what the people voted for. To revoke would be very dangerous, soft Brexit is the answer and one within May's grasp if she would just compromise.
They voted out so it means the will lose so many of the privileges of being part of the EU, but they can't leave with a No Deal, so a deal that keeps them in customs union is the compromise.
They'll end up with none of the privileges of being part of the EU, while remaining in the customs union.
Makes no sense but that's what they were hoodwinked into voting for, 350m for the NHS or Remain. I'd have preferred the 350M too, we all know it was a lie now.

Mr.Wemmick · 08-04-2019 05:30PM

They must know by now, all roads lead back to the EU.. but not before they've wasted/ cost the country billions and caused very expensive headaches for Ireland and Europe. Infuriating.

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 05:35PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think we all know there has to be a deal as it's what the people voted for. To revoke would be very dangerous, soft Brexit is the answer and one within May's grasp if she would just compromise.
They voted out so it means the will lose so many of the privileges of being part of the EU, but they can't leave with a No Deal, so a deal that keeps them in customs union is the compromise.
They'll end up with none of the privileges of being part of the EU, while remaining in the customs union.
Makes no sense but that's what they were hoodwinked into voting for, 350m for the NHS or Remain. I'd have preferred the 350M too, we all know it was a lie now.

I don't care about what UK people voted for. That's their own business.
UK triggered article 50 and they couldn't carry it out without an extension. They should revoke article 50 because UK government is unable to do it at this time. This is not a problem created by EU. No more extensions. We need to be hardline with the UK government to get them to DO something. There should be no talk of " flexi-extensions".

road_high · 08-04-2019 05:37PM

So anyone know what’s goung to happen before Friday?!

branie2 · 08-04-2019 05:41PM

I think we should wait and see

road_high · 08-04-2019 05:46PM

branie2 wrote: »

I think we should wait and see

May is going to Brussels (again) this week isn’t she? So assume something will be agreed (or not) there

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 05:49PM

road_high wrote: »

May is going to Brussels (again) this week isn’t she? So assume something will be agreed (or not) there

I think that they will agree to another extension.
I'm fed up with EU playing softly softly to UK. Total waste of time.

Irish Praetorian · 08-04-2019 05:49PM

Scoondal wrote: »

If a country takes actions that breaks an internationally recognised peace agreement, then the UN can impose sanctions on such a country. Either that or Mrs. May revokes article 50.

The UN can only really implement sanctions through the Security Council, which counts amongst its members...the UK. Now this current UK government does have something of a record when it comes to ineptitude but the prospect that they might forget to veto sanctions proposed against themselves is still fairly slim.

VinLieger · 08-04-2019 05:50PM

The Tory party is apparently giving in to fighting the EU elections

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1115294199941861376

RobertKK · 08-04-2019 05:51PM

It looks to be in the balance what will happen, it all depends on the UK, the EU will have a hard decision to make, but I think we would all love to move on from the current process which started near 3 years ago, and the UK still have not left, still not able to decide in parliament what it wants.
Everyone is just fed up of going around in circles and seemingly no further advanced. Maybe the merry go round had one last spin this week, we can't take many more.

road_high · 08-04-2019 05:52PM

Scoondal wrote: »

I think that they will agree to another extension.
I'm fed up with EU playing softly softly to UK. Total waste of time.

Part of me really agrees with you but I don't want Ireland to suffer the inevitable collateral damage in the process. Longer term we need to further orientate away from the U.K. alright

Professor Moriarty · 08-04-2019 05:52PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

But does that reflect the ECJ decision? Afaik, it stated that it could be revoked according to the country's constitutional provisions. And since the Gina Miller case established that parliament had to approve the A50 notification, does it not then also mean that parliament has to approve its revocation?

Well, according to this article, because parliament gave May the power to invoke A50, it also gave her the power to revoke A50. Essentially, she just has to write a letter.

MrFresh · 08-04-2019 05:54PM

road_high wrote: »

So anyone know what’s goung to happen before Friday?!

Nobody knows. Personally, I bought as much as I could from my Amazon list this weekend.

RobertKK · 08-04-2019 05:54PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, according to this article, because parliament gave May the power to invoke A50, it also gave her the power to revoke A50. Essentially, she just has to write a letter.

The only problem with revocation is it can't be used as part of a tactic to re-start exit talks.

MrFresh · 08-04-2019 05:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The only problem with revocation is it can't be used as part of a tactic to re-start exit talks.

If recovation happens it should put a pause on the 2 year timer under Article 50 and not restart it.

Professor Moriarty · 08-04-2019 05:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The only problem with revocation is it can't be used as part of a tactic to re-start exit talks.

Agreed. It's not the hokey cokey.

Mr.Wemmick · 08-04-2019 05:59PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Agreed. It's not the hokey cokey.

The only thing I am going to miss about Brexit is this thread.

Strazdas · 08-04-2019 06:00PM

road_high wrote: »

May is going to Brussels (again) this week isn’t she? So assume something will be agreed (or not) there

Every single time she meets Juncker, Merkel, Macron etc, it seems to be nothing more than a PR stunt aimed at the home audience.

road_high · 08-04-2019 06:00PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

The only thing I am going to miss about Brexit is this thread.

I’ve a feeling it’s going to go on and on ...

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 06:03PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

The UN can only really implement sanctions through the Security Council, which counts amongst its members...the UK. Now this current UK government does have something of a record when it comes to ineptitude but the prospect that they might forget to veto sanctions proposed against themselves is still fairly slim.

Okay. But could Ireland not bring it up at general assembly and see what support we have? I think that an international peace agreement is important in UN.

MikeSoys · 08-04-2019 06:03PM

if there is a no deal (not likely i feel) ftse stocks will be cheap.

Irish Praetorian · 08-04-2019 06:10PM

Scoondal wrote: »

Okay. But could Ireland not bring it up at general assembly and see what support we have? I think that an international peace agreement is important in UN.

To be fair, the Palestinians have been trying that for years and you can see how far they have gotten with a far more grievous situation. Just another reason to dislike the UN, but alas, this brings us off-topic.

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 06:12PM

Let's not forget that the UK electorate voted for Brexit and then voted for their MPs in an election. This is how we have arrived at this situation.

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 06:13PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

To be fair, the Palestinians have been trying that for years and you can see how far they have gotten with a far more grievous situation. Just another reason to dislike the UN, but alas, this brings us off-topic.

But we are Ireland with the backing of 26 other European countries.

Strazdas · 08-04-2019 06:17PM

Scoondal wrote: »

Let's not forget that the UK electorate voted for Brexit and then voted for their MPs in an election. This is how we have arrived at this situation.

And the fact that May didn't get an overall majority would suggest that support for Brexit was already wavering somewhat - the Brexiteers tend to gloss over the GE and instead claim that everyone who voted for the Tories and Labour were endorsing Brexit (a ridiculous claim and an obvious lie).

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 06:18PM

EU should say no more extensions. UK parliament has voted against "No Deal Brexit". Therefore, UK should revoke Article 50 until they are able to carry it through. UK should stop wasting everyones time.

Laois_Man · 08-04-2019 06:21PM

The British Government are organizing EU elections for May 23rd but intend to exit before this date and not actually run them

That's according to a #10 spokesman

Scoondal · 08-04-2019 06:22PM

Strazdas wrote: »

And the fact that May didn't get an overall majority would suggest that support for Brexit was already wavering somewhat - the Brexiteers tend to gloss over the GE and instead claim that everyone who voted for the Tories and Labour were endorsing Brexit (a ridiculous claim and an obvious lie).

For people who do not live in UK, we do not care about what UK people want or voted for. That's their problem. We care about what the government of UK wants to do. If we knew that we could move forward.

Irish Praetorian · 08-04-2019 06:23PM

Scoondal wrote: »

But we are Ireland with the backing of 26 other European countries.

I imagine the Ukrainians thought something similar when they were being invaded and when they had the support of more than 26 European countries. Alas the world we live in is one of realpolitik and grubby political squabbling, as it is with the UN so it is with Brexit and I suspect Britain will end up with an education in this fact fairly sharply if it goes down the route of No-Deal.

Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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