Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

am i bovvered

10000maniacs wrote: »

One interesting and positive Barnier comment from todays meeting. Just paraphrasing but he said something like this. "In a hard Brexit, the EU won't do any business with the UK until the Border and the GFA are protected."

Makes the Brexitier phrase ‘they need us more than we need them’ sound even more deluded.

The whole thing is a complete disaster with absolutely no winners.

boggerman1

Millie Delightful Molding wrote: »

ERG has cracked, wow

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1115339460512821250

All the headbangers abandoning ship now.wouldn't mind that lad too much given that a few months ago that Britain had got screwd after ww2.i wonder if marc of the territorial army fame's letter today was peak brexiteer hot air and that come Friday brexit is cancelled

Gael23

How Teresa May is still in power is beyond me, she was burnt toast long ago.

An Ciarraioch

Ironically, UKIP and the Brexit Party could wind up stopping each other getting MEPs, if this Welsh poll is representative:

http://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1115320751459057664

marno21

Gael23 wrote: »

How Teresa May is still in power is beyond me, she was burnt toast long ago.

If there was someone even semi competent in opposition they would have wiped the floor with May and the Tories by now. Corbyn is less of an opposition and more of a complicit facilitator.

road_high

Gael23 wrote: »

How Teresa May is still in power is beyond me, she was burnt toast long ago.

Because the task she has is so impossible and unsolvable that no one in their right minds would want it at this point and time. Replacing her doesn’t solve a thing

L1011

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Ironically, UKIP and the Brexit Party could wind up stopping each other getting MEPs, if this Welsh poll is representative:

They have up to ten member constituencies, where that'd return one each (albeit said constituency had 4 UKIP last time I think). Not many constituencies are as small as Wales.

Mr.Nice Guy

Amusing opener from Newsnight. Not sure it helps the political atmosphere in the UK though.

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1115367558541004800

road_high

Just tuned into Claire Byrne show- first off bloody Hermann Irexit Kelly running for the EU parliament- the parliament he wants us out of lol. Our very own euro shop Farage

WhiteMan32

"TM to consider giving MPs vote on second referendum" - too good to be true?

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Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1115373402796072960

This is a beautiful thing to watch.

road_high

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1115373402796072960

This is a beautiful thing to watch.

Mairead Mcguinness is always a solid reliable performer. A definite asset in all this and voice of sanity for ireland in Europe

johnnyskeleton

road_high wrote: »

Just tuned into Claire Byrne show- first off bloody Hermann Irexit Kelly running for the EU parliament- the parliament he wants us out of lol. Our very own euro shop Farage

The UKIP/Brexit party guy made me especially angry. "Michel Barnier is using the years and years of pain in Ireland as a negotiating chip". Has he no self awareness about being an Englishman talking to an Irish audience about years and years of pain? As for Ireland being used as a negotiating chip, that was Britains plan until they went all in on their first hand and lost their shirts, to extend the analogy.

Also liked Mairead McGuinness saying if the Brexiteers were in power, for all their talk, theyd run a mile. A point rarely made on BBC, Sky etc.

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Go wan Guy

Irish common sense in UK politics

WinnyThePoo

road_high wrote: »

Just tuned into Claire Byrne show- first off bloody Hermann Irexit Kelly running for the EU parliament- the parliament he wants us out of lol. Our very own euro shop Farage

By God I hope he miserably fails. Hopefully the electorate see through him. It would be an absolute waste to vote him In.

road_high

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

By God I hope he miserably fails. Hopefully the electorate see through him. It would be an absolute waste to vote him In.

There’ll always be a certain audience for associated looney tune candidates with various anti establishment agendas.

road_high

That Nathan Gill is a shocking arrogant twat.

road_high

road_high wrote: »

That Nathan Gill is a shocking arrogant twat.

And the said twat is going to run again...dear Christ they hate it so much they want to run again and again. Arseholes like him make me want a No Deal push out

Headshot

I always find SNP come across very well and can understand why they are very popular in Scotland. They seem to be only capable MP's in Westminster and i'm a big fan Nicola Sturgeon.

Brexit is kinda a win win situation for them, that if it happens Scottish Independence is closer than ever or if Brexit is canceled they stay in Europe.

Strazdas

road_high wrote: »

That Nathan Gill is a shocking arrogant twat.

These twerps regularly heckle Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier in the European Parliament along with their messiah Farage. They're a bunch of vandals.

johnnyskeleton

road_high wrote: »

That Nathan Gill is a shocking arrogant twat.

road_high wrote: »

And the said twat is going to run again...dear Christ they hate it so much they want to run again and again. Arseholes like him make me want a No Deal push out

Mod note:

Youve been warned about this type of contriubtion a number of times. If you cant make your points without curse words then maybe the politics forum isnt for you

Laois_Man

Strazdas wrote: »

These twerps regularly heckle Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier in the European Parliament along with their messiah Farage. They're a bunch of vandals.

Farage barely even shows up. He has the 6th worst attendance record of all MEPs in the entire EU parliament

Strazdas

Laois_Man wrote: »

Farage barely even shows up. He has the 6th worst attendance record of all MEPs in the entire EU parliament

He's scarcely a "politician" at all. I would describe him more as a TV / media personality.

Professor Moriarty

Strazdas wrote: »

He's scarcely a "politician" at all. I would describe him more as a TV / media personality.

As a politician, Farage is a triumph of style over substance. Or, to put it another way, he's all fur coat and no knickers. And so he plays beautifully to the great unwashed.

Laois_Man

Strazdas wrote: »

He's scarcely a "politician" at all. I would describe him more as a TV / media personality.

Plus trying to cheat the abhorrent EU out of money by trying to get the EU to pay for his EU assistant who is not actually an EU assistant!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/12/nigel-farage-eu-salary-docked-claim-misspent-public-funds

Says it all about him!

I listened to some of his radio show this evening (I don't know why I do it to myself) - they font let many remainers on - and you'd notice when the odd one does get on, they don't get to stay on nearly as long as the Leavers.

briany

It's funny how the right wing of the British press and public have really taken to calling Jeremy Corbyn a Marxist, and therefore should not be trusted with Brexit. The tone they say it with makes it sound like Marxist = convicted criminal. Also, using it to describe Jeremy Corbyn is direct evidence that they're either being provocative, haven't read Marx, or even googled the term. Not that those wont to call Corbyn a Marxist care about such subtleties.

Meanwhile the actual reason not to trust Corbyn on Brexit is that he is stubbornly playing party politics as much as the other crowd and has so far failed to hold the process to account.

Infini

road_high wrote: »

Just tuned into Claire Byrne show- first off bloody Hermann Irexit Kelly running for the EU parliament- the parliament he wants us out of lol. Our very own euro shop Farage

Honestly this whole "Irexit" thing stink's of a 5th column subversive group of either Brexiteer rejects from the UK trying to interfere in our country (POORLY) to try and bolster their United Memedom vanity project or possibly another paid Russian front to try and break up the EU. Hopefully it burns out like the likes of Renua: all waffle but ultimately a big massive turd in terms of quality only fit for the electorial bin.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Ironically, UKIP and the Brexit Party could wind up stopping each other getting MEPs, if this Welsh poll is representative:

http://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1115320751459057664

If it result's in Nigel Farage not getting elected then happy days and poetic karma for it happening. Need people who give a damn bout their country and people in there not parasitical rejects out for their own benefit and causing nothing but trouble while stirring the pot.

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The UKIP/Brexit party guy made me especially angry. "Michel Barnier is using the years and years of pain in Ireland as a negotiating chip". Has he no self awareness about being an Englishman talking to an Irish audience about years and years of pain? As for Ireland being used as a negotiating chip, that was Britains plan until they went all in on their first hand and lost their shirts, to extend the analogy.

Also liked Mairead McGuinness saying if the Brexiteers were in power, for all their talk, theyd run a mile. A point rarely made on BBC, Sky etc.

It the problem with the UK media over there atm they let these Brexiteer wasters constantly run their mouths unchallenged and unwilling to call out the gaping flaws in their arguments. That Mairead McGuiness outtake is the exact kind of putting them on the spot approach that's needed with them, she literally points out their "no deal" is a literal void of nothingness and any deal's they do get are either inconsequencial and tiny or they have to wait at the back of the line after the EU and take what they're given.

The whole problem the Brexiteer's have is that they cannot accept that alone they're not only powerless but subject to the whim's of bigger players. They fail to grap reality or worse would rather mislead people for personal gain.

10000maniacs

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

As a politician, Farage is a triumph of style over substance. Or, to put it another way, he's all fur coat and no knickers. And so he plays beautifully to the great unwashed.

The EU are hinting that Farage and co. won't be given the same free reign to disrupt the Parliament that they were given in the last session.

Peregrinus

10000maniacs wrote: »

The EU are hinting that Farage and co. won't be given the same free reign to disrupt the Parliament that they were given in the last session.

He wasn't that disruptive. He was hardly ever there.

lawred2

10000maniacs wrote: »

The EU are hinting that Farage and co. won't be given the same free reign to disrupt the Parliament that they were given in the last session.

And how would they achieve that exactly?

It's a Parliament and he would be an elected representative. They can't start getting into anything murky like censorship as that will be just grist to the mill of Brexiteers and anti EU factions across Europe.