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What is or should be the punishment for racism?

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  • #62
    Peter Dudley
    Site Banned Posts: 8 ✭Peter Dudley


    I think some of the left wing people on boards would support the death penalty for racism, such is their obsession with it.


  • #63
    Pawwed Rig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,451 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Spleerbun wrote: »
    It's as offensive as you decide it is. Stan Collymore was never a slave. If he (and others) just decided not to be offended by these words then suddenly they don't have any power.


    Not really. It is as offesnsive as calling an Irish person a Yank or a Hillbilly. It is specific to the US.


  • #64
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Depends on the context. If it's a Twitter message as in this case, they should get a temporary ban from Twitter - permanent eventually if they keep doing it.


  • #65
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    There should be no punishment for racist beliefs or thoughts. But acting on it in a violent way, stalking or harassing, should of course be punishable crimes though


  • #66
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    There shouldn't be any criminal consequences for saying mean things to people.


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  • #67
    Odhinn
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    Peter Dudley wrote: »
    I think some of the left wing people on boards would support the death penalty for racism, such is their obsession with it.




    Amazing insight for a man with two posts - fair play.


  • #68
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,699 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    We all be in jail if we were to bring up the bad things people say.

    Now if somebody was physically attacked then book thrown at them of course.

    EVENFLOW



  • #69
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,702 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    A lot of guys who spew this type of remark aren't even racists, they probably have black friends and support black players, they just use a racist remark as a way to hurt someone, or as a way to win the argument in the moment. It's more childish and immature behaviour than racism. He should never have said it though, he's an idiot.


  • #70
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    El_Bee wrote: »
    We need to convince people that buying a home is hopeless, and that they should become lifetime renters, with that in place the state can become the largest landlord in the country, and we can implement a social credit system like in China where if you commit a thought crime or wrongthink, you're immediately evicted and cut off from government services. It might create a few extra homeless people for a short while, but in the long term it's a small price to pay to see and end to offensive jokes and speech.
    Please sweet Jesus let this be in jest...

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #71
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    We all be in jail if we were to bring up the bad things people say.
    This isn't about things people say in private though - it's what they say *to* people.

    I get people not wanting stuff that's just said being a police matter but I don't think a person really going to town verbally abusing someone should get away with it either. Not a criminal matter but maybe a lesser offence? My friend got misogynistic abuse yelled at her by hardline Muslim lads in London - told she deserved rape. Those little ****ers deserved punishment.


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  • #72
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?


  • #73
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Adalyn Rotten Slipper wrote: »
    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    We all be in jail if we were to bring up the bad things people say.
    This isn't about things people say in private though - it's what they say *to* people.

    I get people not wanting stuff that's just said being a police matter but I don't think a person really going to town verbally abusing someone should get away with it either. Not a criminal matter but maybe a lesser offence? My friend got misogynistic abuse yelled at her by hardline Muslim lads in London - told she deserved rape. Those little ****ers deserved punishment.
    No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.


  • #74
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,782 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

    An MP was murdered in England because of words. Someone was prosecuted for saying he was going to murder another MP.

    Words can be a crime.


  • #75
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,266 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?


    You kind of already have thought crime with paedophelia, though, don't you?

    Lots of people in trouble with that, despite no proof or evidence of them actually carrying out intercourse with a minor.


    (not that I agree with paedophilia, or racism, or homophobia, etc. etc.)


  • #76
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

    An MP was murdered in England because of words. Someone was prosecuted for saying he was going to murder another MP.

    Words can be a crime.
    No murder is the crime there. Not words.


  • #77
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?
    Well thoughts are private so no.

    But verbalising them directed at someone - depends imo.


  • #78
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Deleted User wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?


    You kind of already have thought crime with paedophelia, though, don't you?

    Lots of people in trouble with that, despite no proof or evidence of them actually carrying out intercourse with a minor.


    (not that I agree with paedophilia, or racism, or homophobia, etc. etc.)
    Intercourse with a minor would be the crime there not the thought of it.


  • #79
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Adalyn Rotten Slipper wrote: »
    This isn't about things people say in private though - it's what they say *to* people.

    I get people not wanting stuff that's just said being a police matter but I don't think a person really going to town verbally abusing someone should get away with it either. Not a criminal matter but maybe a lesser offence? My friend got misogynistic abuse yelled at her by hardline Muslim lads in London - told she deserved rape. Those little ****ers deserved punishment.

    Sorry to hear that, that's awful disgusting thing to say to anyone

    I just think it be hard to imply and be way too open to manipulate

    EVENFLOW



  • #80
    MoashoaM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭MoashoaM


    I want to live without resentment for my fellow man.


  • #81
    TomSweeney
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Amazing insight for a man with two posts - fair play.


    You're right, his point is negated completely because he has 2 posts :confused:


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  • #82
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,782 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    No murder is the crime there. Not words.

    Making a speech calling for a genocide of Jews is words. And that is a crime. Words can be a crime. That murder was a racist acting on words he had read.


  • #83
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    I just think it be hard to imply and be way too open to manipulate
    Oh absolutely. It's a really tricky one.


  • #84
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?


    You kind of already have thought crime with paedophelia, though, don't you?

    Lots of people in trouble with that, despite no proof or evidence of them actually carrying out intercourse with a minor.


    (not that I agree with paedophilia, or racism, or homophobia, etc. etc.)
    Intercourse with a minor would be the crime there not the thought of it.
    Adalyn Rotten Slipper wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?
    Well thoughts are private so no.

    But verbalising them directed at someone - depends imo.
    No I may not agree with what you say but you have the right to say it. Unless you threaten or harass somebody which is covered by existing law then no words are should be a crime.

    The reference to thought crime is from 1984.


  • #85
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    No murder is the crime there. Not words.

    Making a speech calling for a genocide of Jews is words. And that is a crime. Words can be a crime. That murder was a racist acting on words he had read.
    Calling for genocide I could see as incitement to violence. I still think you should be allowed say it


  • #86
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Words, depending on how its used and directed, can 100% be a crime.

    Try shouting ‘i have a bomb’ in tbe middle of an airport.

    Low IQ


  • #87
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Words, depending on how its used and directed, can 100% be a crime.

    Try shouting ‘i have a bomb’ in tbe middle of an airport.

    Low IQ
    Low IQ? Are you 5


  • #88
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Low IQ? Are you 5

    ‘Words cant be a crime’

    Looooooooooooool mate verbal assault can get you a year. Just stop talking please its embarrassing

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_offences/public_order_offenses_in_ireland.html


  • #89
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Thoughtcrime in 1984 is about private thoughts though - the outer party members are constantly being monitored for e.g. facial expressions that might indicate they're disloyal to the party. People aren't gonna dare verbalise anti government thoughts so the state has come up with the term "thoughtcrime".

    Orwell wasn't talking about people who actually say what they think.

    I don't defend people being able to say absolutely anything - what about kids verbally bullying other kids? Yeah you need to let most stuff roll off you and be a bit tough but there's extreme stuff too that nobody should have to put up with.


  • #90
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,782 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Pre internet, poison pen letters and threatening phone calls could lead to prosecution. They were just words. And the laws of libel, slander, calumny and defamation have been around a while to regulate "free speech".

    Those who categorise this stuff as just mean, bad, awful are seeking to downplay the legal aspects. Maybe they do this because they want to go easy on racists.

    But I have no way of knowing that, unlike the poster who says that people who make racist remarks have black friends and support black players.


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  • #91
    [Deleted User]
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    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Intercourse with a minor would be the crime there not the thought of it.




    Yeah but you often see lads being harassed by the Youtube mob for attempting to meet someone underage, and they invariably end up arrested and charged, despite not actually carrying out the crime itself.


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