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What is or should be the punishment for racism?

Ultimate Seduction

Seen on tweeter some fella sent Stan collymore a Nasty message, imedietley people found his Facebook, emailed his mother, his work, his mates ECT. I find it weird that random people emailing his mother an work place, but what should punishment be for this fella

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jam_mac_jam

dxhound2005 wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No murder is the crime there. Not words.

Making a speech calling for a genocide of Jews is words. And that is a crime. Words can be a crime. That murder was a racist acting on words he had read.

Calling for genocide I could see as incitement to violence. I still think you should be allowed say it

jam_mac_jam

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?

You kind of already have thought crime with paedophelia, though, don't you?

Lots of people in trouble with that, despite no proof or evidence of them actually carrying out intercourse with a minor.

(not that I agree with paedophilia, or racism, or homophobia, etc. etc.)

Intercourse with a minor would be the crime there not the thought of it.

Adalyn Rotten Slipper wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?

Well thoughts are private so no.

But verbalising them directed at someone - depends imo.

No I may not agree with what you say but you have the right to say it. Unless you threaten or harass somebody which is covered by existing law then no words are should be a crime.

The reference to thought crime is from 1984.

Gimme A Pound

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I just think it be hard to imply and be way too open to manipulate

Oh absolutely. It's a really tricky one.

dxhound2005

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No murder is the crime there. Not words.

Making a speech calling for a genocide of Jews is words. And that is a crime. Words can be a crime. That murder was a racist acting on words he had read.

TomSweeney

Odhinn wrote: »

Amazing insight for a man with two posts - fair play.

You're right, his point is negated completely because he has 2 posts

MoashoaM

I want to live without resentment for my fellow man.

The_Kew_Tour

Adalyn Rotten Slipper wrote: »

This isn't about things people say in private though - it's what they say *to* people.

I get people not wanting stuff that's just said being a police matter but I don't think a person really going to town verbally abusing someone should get away with it either. Not a criminal matter but maybe a lesser offence? My friend got misogynistic abuse yelled at her by hardline Muslim lads in London - told she deserved rape. Those little ****ers deserved punishment.

Sorry to hear that, that's awful disgusting thing to say to anyone

I just think it be hard to imply and be way too open to manipulate

jam_mac_jam

Deleted User wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?

You kind of already have thought crime with paedophelia, though, don't you?

Lots of people in trouble with that, despite no proof or evidence of them actually carrying out intercourse with a minor.

(not that I agree with paedophilia, or racism, or homophobia, etc. etc.)

Intercourse with a minor would be the crime there not the thought of it.

Gimme A Pound

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?

Well thoughts are private so no.

But verbalising them directed at someone - depends imo.

jam_mac_jam

dxhound2005 wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

An MP was murdered in England because of words. Someone was prosecuted for saying he was going to murder another MP.

Words can be a crime.

No murder is the crime there. Not words.

[Deleted User]

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?

You kind of already have thought crime with paedophelia, though, don't you?

Lots of people in trouble with that, despite no proof or evidence of them actually carrying out intercourse with a minor.

(not that I agree with paedophilia, or racism, or homophobia, etc. etc.)

dxhound2005

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

An MP was murdered in England because of words. Someone was prosecuted for saying he was going to murder another MP.

Words can be a crime.

jam_mac_jam

Adalyn Rotten Slipper wrote: »

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We all be in jail if we were to bring up the bad things people say.

This isn't about things people say in private though - it's what they say *to* people.

I get people not wanting stuff that's just said being a police matter but I don't think a person really going to town verbally abusing someone should get away with it either. Not a criminal matter but maybe a lesser offence? My friend got misogynistic abuse yelled at her by hardline Muslim lads in London - told she deserved rape. Those little ****ers deserved punishment.

No they don't. There are enough real crimes out there like rape or murder for the police to pursue. Words can not be a crime.

jam_mac_jam

There should be no punishment for racism. What's next thought crime?

Gimme A Pound

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We all be in jail if we were to bring up the bad things people say.

This isn't about things people say in private though - it's what they say *to* people.

I get people not wanting stuff that's just said being a police matter but I don't think a person really going to town verbally abusing someone should get away with it either. Not a criminal matter but maybe a lesser offence? My friend got misogynistic abuse yelled at her by hardline Muslim lads in London - told she deserved rape. Those little ****ers deserved punishment.

Wibbs

El_Bee wrote: »

We need to convince people that buying a home is hopeless, and that they should become lifetime renters, with that in place the state can become the largest landlord in the country, and we can implement a social credit system like in China where if you commit a thought crime or wrongthink, you're immediately evicted and cut off from government services. It might create a few extra homeless people for a short while, but in the long term it's a small price to pay to see and end to offensive jokes and speech.

Please sweet Jesus let this be in jest...

BorneTobyWilde

A lot of guys who spew this type of remark aren't even racists, they probably have black friends and support black players, they just use a racist remark as a way to hurt someone, or as a way to win the argument in the moment. It's more childish and immature behaviour than racism. He should never have said it though, he's an idiot.

The_Kew_Tour

We all be in jail if we were to bring up the bad things people say.

Now if somebody was physically attacked then book thrown at them of course.

Odhinn

Peter Dudley wrote: »

I think some of the left wing people on boards would support the death penalty for racism, such is their obsession with it.

Amazing insight for a man with two posts - fair play.

Richard Hillman

There shouldn't be any criminal consequences for saying mean things to people.

wakka12

There should be no punishment for racist beliefs or thoughts. But acting on it in a violent way, stalking or harassing, should of course be punishable crimes though

Gimme A Pound

Depends on the context. If it's a Twitter message as in this case, they should get a temporary ban from Twitter - permanent eventually if they keep doing it.

Pawwed Rig

Spleerbun wrote: »

It's as offensive as you decide it is. Stan Collymore was never a slave. If he (and others) just decided not to be offended by these words then suddenly they don't have any power.

Not really. It is as offesnsive as calling an Irish person a Yank or a Hillbilly. It is specific to the US.

Peter Dudley

I think some of the left wing people on boards would support the death penalty for racism, such is their obsession with it.

Danzy

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

As the Sunday Times shows today, anti Semitism is the real racism of today, big in the Labour Party. Corbyn should go.

Read bits of it, disturbing, It is open season on Jews for Labour.

An openly antisemitic party and defiantly so.

10 Downing St.will be the punishment for Corbyn's racism.

Given the ordeal that May has had, that may be a cruel and unusual punishment.

biko

Many countries already have legislation in place for hate crimes so the state can deal with it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

The Satanist wrote: »

I'm still waiting for someone to be punished for the bigoted and sectarian abuse of James McClean. I wonder what Stan the woman beater thinks about this.

Yes, the British tend to ignore anti Irish racism.

The Satanist

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

As far as I know, he claimed he 'only' hit her once, very gently and with the palm of his hand. Witnesses say he punched her to the ground and kicked her in the head several times.

Witnesses are obviously racist innit

Yer Da sells Avon

TCM wrote: »

Did he use the 'mental health' escape clause for that?

As far as I know, he claimed he 'only' hit her once, very gently and with the palm of his hand. Witnesses say he punched her to the ground and kicked her in the head several times.

The Satanist

I'm still waiting for someone to be punished for the bigoted and sectarian abuse of James McClean. I wonder what Stan the woman beater thinks about this.