What is or should be the punishment for racism?

Ultimate Seduction

Seen on tweeter some fella sent Stan collymore a Nasty message, imedietley people found his Facebook, emailed his mother, his work, his mates ECT. I find it weird that random people emailing his mother an work place, but what should punishment be for this fella

TheQuietFella

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Seen on tweeter some fella sent Stan collymore a Nasty message, imedietley people found his Facebook, emailed his mother, his work, his mates ECT. I find it weird that random people emailing his mother an work place, but what should punishment be for this fella

None! That's just how he feels!

Ultimate Seduction

TheQuietFella wrote: »

None! That's just how he feels!

Yeah if u feel racist that's not a crime but calling someone a black ****** slave isn't on is it?

Mantis1234

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Yeah if u feel racist that's not a crime but calling someone a black ****** slave isn't on is it?

What if they called you a cracker slave or whatever?

DrumSteve

Well done Stan.

People need to understand the stuff they say online can have consequences.

GreeBo

Blackface tattoo?

TheQuietFella

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Yeah if u feel racist that's not a crime but calling someone a black ****** slave isn't on is it?

People really need to grow up on both sides!

You'll always have racism unfortunately but that's just how it is!

Accept it and move on!

Pawwed Rig

Mantis1234 wrote: »

What if they called you a cracker slave or whatever?

Hardly an offensive term in this part of the world is it?

zapitastas

TheQuietFella wrote: »

People really need to grow up on both sides!

You'll always have racism unfortunately but that's just how it is!

Accept it and move on!

Might have been the prevailing attitude 150 years ago but things have moved on.

Shefwedfan

At the moment the problem is most people have no idea what racism is

Simple case, recent post and a white person posted something. Wasn’t racist but was called out by a non white. The person that called them out was extremely racist against whites....anyway loads of people backed up original post as not racist but nothing mentioned about the racist posts because it was against a white person

So we punish who exactly?

Also you will see a huge percentage of people think you can’t be racist against white people.....

Ultimate Seduction

I'm a bit racist myself but I keep it to myself, don't think you should be allowed send people messages like that and get away free.

super_furry

Why would he have a problem with the people around knowing what he believes in?

BeerWolf

Worst than the lenient sentencing for murder in this country. Especially if they're White. Racist non-whites don't exist so they get a pass.

suicide_circus

no punishment for racist thoughts (yet) but when you actually go after and abuse an individual thats a different story.

punishment should be the same as equivalent non violent crimes

pjohnson

TheQuietFella wrote: »

People really need to grow up on both sides!

You'll always have racism unfortunately but that's just how it is!

Accept it and move on!

Leo Bonucci on boards?

qwerty ui op

It really is amazing how Racist and bigots sometimes feel their free to voice up without any consequences to themselves. They make their comments at school gates, supermarkets, football games, work place, on the bus, on the train, waiting rooms, in the pub, everywhere! thinking to themselves "yeah I've just said what everyone is thinking" and never realize how badly they've marked their card and how it's gonna come against them, down the road.

El_Bee

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Seen on tweeter some fella sent Stan collymore a Nasty message, imedietley people found his Facebook, emailed his mother, his work, his mates ECT. I find it weird that random people emailing his mother an work place, but what should punishment be for this fella

We need to convince people that buying a home is hopeless, and that they should become lifetime renters, with that in place the state can become the largest landlord in the country, and we can implement a social credit system like in China where if you commit a thought crime or wrongthink, you're immediately evicted and cut off from government services. It might create a few extra homeless people for a short while, but in the long term it's a small price to pay to see and end to offensive jokes and speech.

Annasopra

TheQuietFella wrote: »

People really need to grow up on both sides!

You'll always have racism unfortunately but that's just how it is!

Accept it and move on!

It shouldnt be accepted

Franz Von Peppercorn

El_Bee wrote: »

We need to convince people that buying a home is hopeless, and that they should become lifetime renters, with that in place the state can become the largest landlord in the country, and we can implement a social credit system like in China where if you commit a thought crime or wrongthink, you're immediately evicted and cut off from government services. It might create a few extra homeless people for a short while, but in the long term it's a small price to pay to see and end to offensive jokes and speech.

China gets its ideas from Black Mirror.

I have two thoughts on this. Verbal attacks on people need to be policed. There’s no way people should be harassed walking down the street. Or online.

Opinions politely expressed, no matter how repugnant to some, don’t need to be policed. We go the opposite way, no platforming some speakers or banning people on twitter while street talk isn’t really actioned.

Edgware

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It shouldnt be accepted

"I hear you're a racist now Father"

corminators

He'll just claim his mates made the post after borrowing his phone.

kneemos

Thick Paddy's.

SEPT 23 1989

Beating up women isn't that pretty either Stanley

Spleerbun

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Hardly an offensive term in this part of the world is it?

It's as offensive as you decide it is. Stan Collymore was never a slave. If he (and others) just decided not to be offended by these words then suddenly they don't have any power.

Equally of course people could stop saying these words, sure. But as long as they have power to hurt and offend then there will be people who use them. These people don't want these words to lose their power because then they won't be able to use them anymore. But the people who get so upset by them have the power to stop putting themselves at a "disadvantage" so to speak. Just laugh it off like an Irish person would laugh off being called a drunken leprechaun. Collymore is black today and he'll be black tomorrow no matter what people call him or don't call him.

Junkyard Tom

TheQuietFella wrote: »

People really need to grow up on both sides!

Both sides? It's not a football match you flippin' balloon.

Junkyard Tom

Spleerbun wrote: »

Just laugh it off.

Are you giving Black people advice on how to feel about racial abuse?

Is this what you're actually trying to do?

Spleerbun

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Are you giving Black people advice on how to feel about racial abuse?

Is this what you're actually trying to do?

Yes.

Junkyard Tom

Spleerbun wrote: »

Yes.

Put it up on YouTube there for the laugh.

dxhound2005

Spleerbun wrote: »

It's as offensive as you decide it is. Stan Collymore was never a slave. If he (and others) just decided not to be offended by these words then suddenly they don't have any power.

Equally of course people could stop saying these words, sure. But as long as they have power to hurt and offend then there will be people who use them. These people don't want these words to lose their power because then they won't be able to use them anymore. But the people who get so upset by them have the power to stop putting themselves at a "disadvantage" so to speak. Just laugh it off like an Irish person would laugh off being called a drunken leprechaun. Collymore is black today and he'll be black tomorrow no matter what people call him or don't call him.

There are laws going back long before the internet about what can be published or said in public. Someone was arrested at a football match in England yesterday on suspicion of having broken one of those laws. If what is published or said is illegal, I don't see any reason for the victim to laugh it off.

https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2019/april/derby-incident-statement-06.04.19/

Danzy

An anarchist in California attacked a 74 yr old Jewish man , she lost her job.

That was clear cut so was going after Collymore, lesser though as violence not used, no physical immediacy.

Problem lies in the now debased idea of "that's racist".

Activists have been accusing everyone and everything of being racist that it is no longer clear.

The great majority of them being white middle to upper class socialists, they used it as a stick to beat all around and beneath them.

Giving them more leverage on this would be like returning to the Bishops in charge.

Spleerbun

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Put it up on YouTube there for the laugh.

Put what up?

Yer Da sells Avon

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Seen on tweeter some fella sent Stan collymore a Nasty message, imedietley people found his Facebook, emailed his mother, his work, his mates ECT. I find it weird that random people emailing his mother an work place, but what should punishment be for this fella

Emailing someone's mother about their racism is a great idea. Although my mother is dead, so I can be as racist as I want.

Junkyard Tom

Spleerbun wrote: »

Put what up?

You giving Black people advice on how to feel about racism. It'd be fierce interesting like.

Spleerbun

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You giving Black people advice on how to feel about racism. It'd be fierce interesting like.

Is there any part of my post that you'd actually like to dispute? Are you black btw? As you seem to know better than me how they should feel.

Day Lewin

Racism isn't only against colour.

Indeed, traditionally in Ireland very few people of other colour were ever seen: people with dark skin are relatively a new thing, here.

Worst and most glaring racism in Ireland is against Travellers: just read the posts on boards if Travellers are even mentioned!

and no, you can NOT excuse racism by claiming that it's justified!

Punishment: live on a halting site, wrong accent, try to get a job.

Danzy

Spleerbun wrote: »

Is there any part of my post that you'd actually like to dispute? Are you black btw? As you seem to know better than me how they should feel.

Maybe Tom hasn't told people what to feel or not feel yet, give him the benefit of the doubt.

Pissartist

We as Irish are stereotyped as drunken potato eating drunks, why because there's some truth to it, unfortunately blacks can be stereotyped of other things, I know a lot of women who won't get in a taxi with one for example

Junkyard Tom

Spleerbun wrote: »

Is there any part of my post that you'd actually like to dispute?

All of it - it's all ridiculous.

Are you black btw?

No.

As you seem to know better than me how they should feel.

No sweetie, you're the one telling people to 'just laugh it off' not me.

kneemos

Pissartist wrote: »

We as Irish are stereotyped as drunken potato eating drunks, why because there's some truth to it, unfortunately blacks can be stereotyped of other things, I know a lot of women who won't get in a taxi with one for example

Stereotypes have some truth behind them often.
To say all Irish people are drunk potatoe eaters,or to assume an individual is,or to use it in a derogatory manner is racist.

Spleerbun

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

All of it - it's all ridiculous.



No.



No sweetie, you're the one telling people to 'just laugh it off' not me.

Kindly note the distinction between telling them what they "should do" and what they "could do", my dear fellow honky. Imagine how empowering that would be, robbing the racists of the power of their words just by changing your mindset! Wouldn't that be impressive sweetie?

riffmongous

I was racially abused once, it caught me completely off guard and was so weird we just ignored it, but afterwards I always felt I should have gone after him and called him out on it, so I'm going to say a light beating is acceptable

dxhound2005

Spleerbun wrote: »

Kindly note the distinction between telling them what they "should do" and what they "could do", my dear fellow honky. Imagine how empowering that would be, robbing the racists of the power of their words just by changing your mindset! Wouldn't that be impressive sweetie?

Very impressive. But meanwhile in the real world punish lawbreakers instead of expecting their victims to laugh it off.

Billy Mays

You should've just laughed it off

@ riffmongous

BeerWolf

Day Lewin wrote: »

Racism isn't only against colour.

Indeed, traditionally in Ireland very few people of other colour were ever seen: people with dark skin are relatively a new thing, here.

Worst and most glaring racism in Ireland is against Travellers: just read the posts on boards if Travellers are even mentioned!

and no, you can NOT excuse racism by claiming that it's justified!

Punishment: live on a halting site, wrong accent, try to get a job.

It is justified when they're all a bunch of crooks. Or self-centered assholes that couldn't give a damn of people outside their circle, being a public nuisance be it holding traffic with their bloody trotters or littering the landscape making it an absolute kip, and such. Disgusting people.

And no, I don't consider them a race or ethnicity, it's a life choice. They're Irish like anyone else... else we might as well consider city and counyryside folk races as well... :rolleyes:

Must be nice to never have to live and put up with them.

tedpan

Ultimate Seduction wrote:

Seen on tweeter some fella sent Stan collymore a Nasty message, imedietley people found his Facebook, emailed his mother, his work, his mates ECT. I find it weird that random people emailing his mother an work place, but what should punishment be for this fella

What's ECT?

Danzy

tedpan wrote: »

What's ECT?

Guessing etc.

Franz Von Peppercorn

As the Sunday Times shows today, anti Semitism is the real racism of today, big in the Labour Party. Corbyn should go.

super_furry

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

As the Sunday Times shows today, anti Semitism is the real racism of today, big in the Labour Party. Corbyn should go.

It's as much a problem as Islamophobia in the Tory party, but everyone involved in the British government should be fired into the sun at this stage.

Yer Da sells Avon

tedpan wrote: »

What's ECT?

Electroconvulsive therapy. They placed loads of electrodes on the racist and zapped it right out of him.

Danzy

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

As the Sunday Times shows today, anti Semitism is the real racism of today, big in the Labour Party. Corbyn should go.

Antisemitism has grown rapidly in the last 5 years.

The Left in Ireland is not really antisemitic, it is a significant problem in Britain and they are less than in Europe.

As the left continues to move away from its roots, that may well change quickly here but I suspect not.

dxhound2005

I don't understand why people call me stupid, dumb, and ect.