Bloody Sunday soldier to be charged with murder

James Brown · 05-04-2019 04:43PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I see no difference in murder, if someone murders innocent people they should face the full weight of the law.

I agree. Both sides in no hurry to put their hand up either.

05-04-2019 04:45PM

Edgware wrote: »

Whats the sense of that?
Dont prosecute one side because you cant get to the other. Nonsense

That was my point based on a lot of whataboutery..

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 04:53PM

Edgware wrote: »

Whats the sense of that?
Dont prosecute one side because you cant get to the other. Nonsense

Ha. You really should read the news about the Bloody Sunday prosecution. Every single defence from people in this thread and in the media has included "Why do we prosecute these soldiers if the IRA were granted immunity?". Despite the fact that significantly more IRA did receive jail time.

partyguinness · 05-04-2019 05:06PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ha. You really should read the news about the Bloody Sunday prosecution. Every single defence from people in this thread and in the media has included "Why do we prosecute these soldiers if the IRA were granted immunity?". Despite the fact that significantly more IRA did receive jail time.

Following on from that point, IRA/UVF/LVF etc members were and are still prosecuted and convicted. Some spent years in jail and then released under the GFA.

'eff all British soldiers were prosecuted or did any jail time. The British Gov sheltered them.

Edgware · 05-04-2019 05:14PM

partyguinness wrote: »

Following on from that point, IRA/UVF/LVF etc members were and are still prosecuted and convicted. Some spent years in jail and then released under the GFA.

'eff all British soldiers were prosecuted or did any jail time. The British Gov sheltered them.

Whereas the I.R.A. handed up their members, including paedophiles, for prosecution

NIMAN · 05-04-2019 05:16PM

People continuing to compare a terrorist organisation with the states' forces of law and order.

Always baffles me.

partyguinness · 05-04-2019 05:19PM

Edgware wrote: »

Whereas the I.R.A. handed up their members, including paedophiles, for prosecution

Really. I have no idea. i am just making a general point about the GFA.

James Brown · 05-04-2019 05:47PM

Edgware wrote: »

Whereas the I.R.A. handed up their members, including paedophiles, for prosecution

Have the Paras handed over any murderers to the IRA for judgement? Didn't think so, so why would the IRA give their men over to british 'justice'?
And what government does the IRA answer to? Who does Frau Windsor watch parade? Give over. If you want to compare like with like at least actually do it equally.

Junkyard Tom · 05-04-2019 06:58PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I see a British court has ruled that the Birmingham pub bombings were indeed murder

I don't remember the families of those killed in Birmingham seeking to have their murdered loved-ones found innocent. Unlike the Ballymurphy families of those murdered by dregs-of-humanity Paras are still trying to.

Learn the difference.

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 06:59PM

Edgware wrote: »

Whereas the I.R.A. handed up their members, including paedophiles, for prosecution

What have the IRA's actions got to do with British army prosecutions? Follow your own advice.

Dont prosecute one side because you cant get to the other. Nonsense

nacho libre · 05-04-2019 07:08PM

He'll be dead before there is any chance of a successful prosecution.

Has anyone seen the Miami Showband documentary on Netflix? Very disturbing content in it.
I suppose the head of the FRU and the British establishment of the time use the end justifies the means spiel - even if that extends to stiching up one of your own intelligence officers to obscure the truth. In another time and place Gordon would be facing criminal charges over what he presided over.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 07:49PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I don't remember the families of those killed in Birmingham seeking to have their murdered loved-ones found innocent. Unlike the Ballymurphy families of those murdered by dregs-of-humanity Paras are still trying to.

Learn the difference.

Is the Birmingham families loss any less than the Ballymurphy families? Are they not entitles to justice for their murdered loved ones too?

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 08:09PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Is the Birmingham families loss any less than the Ballymurphy families? Are they not entitles to justice for their murdered loved ones too?

Seriously, what kind of a question is that.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 08:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seriously, what kind of a question is that.

One you can't answer?

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 08:14PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

One you can't answer?

Everyone is entitled to justice?

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 08:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to justice?

Ding ding ding he can be taught!

janfebmar · 05-04-2019 08:42PM

partyguinness wrote: »

IRA/UVF/LVF etc members were and are still prosecuted and convicted.

And thousands were not. Some were released and rewarded.
Between 1971 and 1989 there were 203 murders in the Fermanagh and south Tyrone area alone, of which about 178 were carried out by republican paramilitaries. Only 14 convictions followed. So an awful lot of people were not prosecuted and convicted.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 08:50PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ding ding ding he can be taught!

That has been my position since year dot. So take the sanctimonious nonsense elsewhere. The actual fact is that you are one of the first posters on scene to defend the BA and British along with your thanker and a few others.

A sovereign, supposedly responsible and moral government has had to be, for more than 40 years, dragged, kicking and screaming to admit it's and it's agencies role in the conflict/war here and to administer justice to ONE soldier.
They have many more cases to answer here and in every colony/warzone they were in.

I want and require justice for everyone because it is the only way to heal this society.

You and your thankers are still fighting the war/conflict.

James Brown · 05-04-2019 08:52PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ding ding ding he can be taught!

Yet you are doomed to repeat your ignorance, inherited or otherwise.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 08:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That has been my position since year dot. So take the sanctimonious nonsense elsewhere. The actual fact is that you are one of the first posters on scene to defend the BA and British along with your thanker and a few others.

A sovereign, supposedly responsible and moral government has had to be, for more than 40 years, dragged, kicking and screaming to admit it's and it's agencies role in the conflict/war here and to administer justice to ONE soldier.
They have many more cases to answer here and in every colony/warzone they were in.

I want and require justice for everyone because it is the only way to heal this society.

You and your thankers are still fighting the war/conflict.

And yet you and i both know that i am on record many times on these boards saying that ANYONE suspected of murder should be investigated and ANYONE convicted of murder, no matter WHO they are shoukd face the full force of the law.

You can claim all you like that i defend the BA/British but i defend them at the same level you do when it comes to the IRA/SF so its yourself who should be taking the "sanctimonious nonsense elsewhere".

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 08:59PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet you and i both know that i am on record many times on these boards saying that ANYONE suspected of murder should be investigated and ANYONE convicted of murder, no matter WHO they are shoukd face the full force of the law.

You can claim all you like that i defend the BA/British but i defend them at the same level you do when it comes to the IRA/SF so its yourself who should be taking the "sanctimonious nonsense elsewhere".

You may be able to fool yourself...

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 09:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You may be able to fool yourself...

Says the man who defended the paedophile Liam Adams :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 09:14PM

More of the sanctimonious nonsense but this time sanctimonious lies.

I have always said Liam Adams got what he deserved.

janfebmar · 05-04-2019 10:21PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The actual fact is that you are one of the first posters on scene to defend the BA and British along with your thanker and a few others.

Nobody is defending the BA soldier charged with murder. However it was pointed out between 1971 and 1989 alone, there were 203 murders in the Fermanagh and south Tyrone area alone, of which about 178 were carried out by republican paramilitaries. Only 14 convictions followed. So an awful lot of people were not prosecuted and convicted. And you Francie have a record of defending many of the murderers.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 10:32PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Nobody is defending the BA soldier charged with murder. However it was pointed out between 1971 and 1989 alone, there were 203 murders in the Fermanagh and south Tyrone area alone, of which about 178 were carried out by republican paramilitaries. Only 14 convictions followed. So an awful lot of people were not prosecuted and convicted. And you Francie have a record of defending many of the murderers.

Where has somebody who thinks all the violence and killing was wrong, 'defended' anybody?

I understand why it happened, that is not the same as defending it.

Farawayhome · 05-04-2019 10:42PM

The Birmingham bomb was a horrible act. It was clear the PIRA were sending a message of how do you like it. It was in response to acts like the Dublin and Monaghan bombings which happened a few months earlier and other murders committed by the British side. They wanted to show British people what it's like to see innocents killed in their own country. This was wrong, they should not have stooped to the level of the British side. Military targets are what they should have stuck to.

janfebmar · 05-04-2019 10:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I understand why it happened, that is not the same as defending it.

Lots of people understand why it happened, your insight has not brought anything new to the table. If you think all the violence and killing was wrong, do you condemn all of the 203 murders between 1971 and 1989 in the Fermanagh and south Tyrone area alone, of which about 178 were carried out by republican paramilitaries?

Farawayhome wrote: »

It was in response to acts like the Dublin and Monaghan bombings which happened a few months earlier

The loyayist paramilitaries would probably say those bombings were in response to bombings in N. Ireland. Tit for tat it was called. That is why the armed struggle was wrong.

Farawayhome wrote: »

Military targets are what they should have stuck to.

Cowardly putting a bomb under a retired or part time policemans car did not achieve anything either. The aim of the armed struggle was to get the the British out of Ireland, it did not achieve that.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 10:56PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Lots of people understand why it happened, your insight has not brought anything new to the table. If you think all the violence and killing was wrong, do you condemn all of the 203 murders between 1971 and 1989 in the Fermanagh and south Tyrone area alone, of which about 178 were carried out by republican paramilitaries?

I condemn all the killing but mostly those who allowed it to happen and as it turns out where involved, instead of doing what they are supposed to as responsible governments.

janfebmar · 05-04-2019 11:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I condemn all the killing ....

You do not actually. Do not fool yourself. You think the British government wanted all the killings, even though it cost them a fortune, was an embarrassment to them on the world stage, cost the lives of a number of their politicians etc. The UK govt flew Adams and others to London in the early seventies and tried to get them to stop, but Republicans said the armed struggle would continue until the "Brits got out".

Berserker · 05-04-2019 11:07PM

Farawayhome wrote: »

The Birmingham bomb was a horrible act. It was clear the PIRA were sending a message of how do you like it. It was in response to acts like the Dublin and Monaghan bombings which happened a few months earlier and other murders committed by the British side.

Did the people who were in those bars or the people of Birmingham as a whole, a sizable chunk of whom were Irish or of Irish decent, play some part in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings? Let's leave Dublin and Monaghan to one side for the moment and focus on the matter in hand. Might end up losing focus on the despicable act that was the Birmingham bombings and no true justice seeker would want that.

Bloody Sunday soldier to be charged with murder

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