Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

p15574 · 26-03-2019 02:53PM

Not a near miss for me, rather for other motorists. This was a taxi driver using the N11 off ramp at The Hill in Stillorgan to get onto the N11. Not a great video, sorry, but you can see the taxi on the far right of the screen, pulling out just in front of the ambulance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIF6E-gykS4

He came out here, blind to the multiple "No Through Road", "No Entry" and "Turn Back" signs and markings.

(Video shake reminds me - I really must fit some rubber dampeners or something to my camera bracket, given the shoddiness of cycle path surfaces)

What Username Guidelines · 26-03-2019 03:09PM

p15574 wrote: »

Not a near miss for me, rather for other motorists. This was a taxi driver using the N11 off ramp at The Hill in Stillorgan to get onto the N11. Not a great video, sorry, but you can see the taxi on the far right of the screen, pulling out just in front of the ambulance.

Probably driven by a cyclist, menaces the lot of them. :rolleyes:

Mc Love · 26-03-2019 04:52PM

Bit of a weird one yesterday evening on the way home, saw two scrambler motorbikes down the road (Greenfields, Rosbrien Road) from me, coming towards me, and I was half thinking they'd do something stupid/dangerous to me.

They did - they crossed over to my side of the road, and then right in front of me mounted the footpath, and looking back went across a pedestrian crossing and throttled it up the hill.

Actually no point calling the shades as they'd be long gone!

Benny Biscotti · 26-03-2019 08:56PM

First near miss in years tonight. I don't know to call it near miss or intimidation. It was definitely deliberate.

Coming off the Drummartin Link Road onto Blackthorn Avenue I move off the cycle path onto the right hand lane in order to turn right at Beacon Hospital (no cycle lane fork for right turn).

As I approach the lights a black car (audi or lexus or something like that) making a left turn onto Blackthorn avenue right hand lane during the turn deliberately altered his turn veering towards me while accelerating.
Both of his right wheels were fully over the white line.

tnegun · 26-03-2019 09:11PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

obvious question would be - were dublin bus as forthcoming with what action was taken against the driver as they were with the imagery?

DB got back to me today to say the driver had been interviewed and the incident recorded on his file but wouldn't go into further details. I asked if he had been shown the footage and they said he had so I suppose thats the best I can expect. To be fair they very pretty prompt I reported it Saturday and they acknowledged it, driver was interviewed on Monday and they responded to me today.

26-03-2019 09:18PM

p15574 wrote: »

Not a near miss for me, rather for other motorists. This was a taxi driver using the N11 off ramp at The Hill in Stillorgan to get onto the N11. Not a great video, sorry, but you can see the taxi on the far right of the screen, pulling out just in front of the ambulance.

He came out here, blind to the multiple "No Through Road", "No Entry" and "Turn Back" signs and markings.

(Video shake reminds me - I really must fit some rubber dampeners or something to my camera bracket, given the shoddiness of cycle path surfaces)

When I started to watch it and saw the old lady ahead I was thinking whats this clown doing riding the footpath then I saw the bike lane marking at the end. Shocking design.

magicbastarder · 26-03-2019 09:32PM

tnegun wrote: »

I asked if he had been shown the footage and they said he had so I suppose thats the best I can expect.

hasn't happened me in a while, but i reported stupidly close passes on two different occasions to bus eireann. i got boilerplate responses each time, but if i ever have to do it again, i will be informing them that unless i get proof that action has been taken, i'll be making a complaint to the gardai.
i know their ability to provide such proof is very limited, but that's not much use to me.

Mickiemcfist · 26-03-2019 10:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When I started to watch it and saw the old lady ahead I was thinking whats this clown doing riding the footpath then I saw the bike lane marking at the end. Shocking design.

Yea I wouldn't mind but theres about 20 foot of hedge to the left there, they could have easily put in a footpath. You often meet pedestrians on that cycle path & you cant even get annoyed about it as it's a ridiculously long detour if they' dont take the cycle lane.

AndrewJRenko · 26-03-2019 10:58PM

tnegun wrote: »

DB got back to me today to say the driver had been interviewed and the incident recorded on his file but wouldn't go into further details. I asked if he had been shown the footage and they said he had so I suppose thats the best I can expect. To be fair they very pretty prompt I reported it Saturday and they acknowledged it, driver was interviewed on Monday and they responded to me today.

That's probably as good as you're going to get with any company. They do have a duty of confidentiality to their employee, so they won't be able to give you specifics. Well done for following it up.

crisco10 · 27-03-2019 11:59PM

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

Yea I wouldn't mind but theres about 20 foot of hedge to the left there, they could have easily put in a footpath. You often meet pedestrians on that cycle path & you cant even get annoyed about it as it's a ridiculously long detour if they' dont take the cycle lane.

Wouldn't expect it to change either. It's been like that about 20 years!

Duckjob · 28-03-2019 12:10PM

Turning right off one of the roundabouts off the Swords Rd this morning.

As I was coming around to my turn, bint in an Audi ploughs straight onto the roundabout. Lucky I had already pegged her as a possible danger due to her speed on approach, otherwise I would have been ploughed out of it. She obviously wasnt going to see me as she was far more preoccupied with the phone she was clutching against the steering wheel.

You need eyes in the back and sides of your head to avoid being maimed by these self-absorbed morons.

magicbastarder · 28-03-2019 06:23PM

i was thinking we could have a profanity thread, a log of what we as cyclists utter in haste at motorists or what motorists utter in haste at us.

today, my entry would have been in relation to the northern reg car which pulled out in front of me as if i wasn't there on the east link roundabout. emergency braking on the surface of that roundabout is not fun.
anyway, we exchanged pleasantries.

blackwhite · 28-03-2019 07:09PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i was thinking we could have a profanity thread, a log of what we as cyclists utter in haste at motorists or what motorists utter in haste at us.

today, my entry would have been in relation to the northern reg car which pulled out in front of me as if i wasn't there on the east link roundabout. emergency braking on the surface of that roundabout is not fun.
anyway, we exchanged pleasantries.

Think I saw that this morning.

You were calmer than I would have been :pac:

magicbastarder · 28-03-2019 07:29PM

Wasn't me, your honour - my one happened about half four this afternoon.

rubadub · 28-03-2019 08:11PM

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

Yea I wouldn't mind but theres about 20 foot of hedge to the left there, they could have easily put in a footpath.

those hedges/trees can be hugely overgrown at times too, so people are right out in the middle.

What Username Guidelines · 28-03-2019 08:22PM

Had a close one on the way home that was somewhat my fault. Carrying a sh*load home in the bag and while sunny, there was a headwind, so had the head down and was grinding away. As pure luck would have it, I looked up just in time to see there’s a taxi parked in the cycle lane maybe 10ft in front of me. Managed to stop just short with very heavy braking. Beat myself up over it on the rest of the commute that I hadn’t seen him. Took a look at the camera when I got home, turns out he passed me and last second darts in and stops to pick up a fare. Doesn’t absolve me, but I realised I had my head down for less than two seconds, which turned out to be the wrong two seconds.. Scared the absolute bejaysus out of me.

blackwhite · 28-03-2019 09:09PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

Wasn't me, your honour - my one happened about half four this afternoon.

2 yellow regs acting the bollocks on that roundabout in a day? Couldn’t have happened

silverharp · 28-03-2019 11:37PM

jaysus

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1111326567807045634

micar · 29-03-2019 12:11AM

silverharp wrote: »

jaysus

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1111326567807045634

Had a taxi driver do that. He swerved just in time to avoid hitting me

AndrewJRenko · 29-03-2019 08:00AM

silverharp wrote: »

jaysus

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1111326567807045634

Here's the back story

https://twitter.com/cyclist_that/status/1111380763272855552?s=19

Valfc5 · 29-03-2019 12:25PM

Hi I would agree I drive and I love cycling. I find bus drivers are the worst.
there is a Dublin Cycling Campaign group and they can be found on FB. On Wednesday 15th May at 17:29 there is a "Cycle to the Dáil" organised by Dublin Cycling Campaign. I myself are not a member but follow them on FaceBook. worth checking them out. safe cycling Val

axer · 29-03-2019 02:45PM

I reported a close pass (with taxi) that happened in dublin a few weeks ago via traffic watch. It went to the local Garda station. Got a call two weeks later from a Garda. Arranged to send video (forward and rear facing) which the Garda looked at and could see it was a close pass. Got a call a few weeks later to say that the Garda cannot do anything though since he cannot see a law broken. He said he asked other gardai who looked at the footage also. Said if an action (fine/caution /points) is not taken against the driver then it is not even noted against the driver in their system so I asked then if that is the case could loads of cyclists could have reported incidents but no pattern can be seen. He agreed this was the case. Said best he can do is send the driver a letter and see what he says. Said that because the driver doesn't live in Dublin then all he can do is hope the driver still lives at the address and returns a call. I asked what would happen if they needed to find the driver (robbery etc) he said then resources would be given to it and they would find the driver then. Said realistically no action against the driver could be taken unless I was injured.

The Garda contacted back a week later to say the taxi driver had contacted him. Taxi driver says he doesn't remember the incident and comes across many cyclists. Says it wouldn't be in his interest to injure a cyclist. Said he would take more care the future.

Garda said he still doesn't see any law broken and showed to a senior Garda who said as I didn't wobble I wasn't impacted so doesn't see an issue. Garda wants to close the incident and wants me to point him to the law that was broken. Does anyone know which law I point him towards?

amcalester · 29-03-2019 02:53PM

axer wrote: »

I reported a close pass (with taxi) that happened in dublin a few weeks ago via traffic watch. It went to the local Garda station. Got a call two weeks later from a Garda. Arranged to send video (forward and rear facing) which the Garda looked at and could see it was a close pass. Got a call a few weeks later to say that the Garda cannot do anything though since he cannot see a law broken. He said he asked other gardai who looked at the footage also. Said if an action (fine/caution /points) is not taken against the driver then it is not even noted against the driver in their system so I asked then if that is the case could loads of cyclists could have reported incidents but no pattern can be seen. He agreed this was the case. Said best he can do is send the driver a letter and see what he says. Said that because the driver doesn't live in Dublin then all he can do is hope the driver still lives at the address and returns a call. I asked what would happen if they needed to find the driver (robbery etc) he said then resources would be given to it and they would find the driver then. Said realistically no action against the driver could be taken unless I was injured.

The Garda contacted back a week later to say the taxi driver had contacted him. Taxi driver says he doesn't remember the incident and comes across many cyclists. Says it wouldn't be in his interest to injure a cyclist. Said he would take more care the future.

Garda said he still doesn't see any law broken and showed to a senior Garda who said as I didn't wobble I wasn't impacted so doesn't see an issue. Garda wants to close the incident and wants me to point him to the law that was broken. Does anyone know which law I point him towards?

Driving without reasonable consideration or driving without due care and attention could apply, I think.

AndrewJRenko · 29-03-2019 03:36PM

axer wrote: »

Said best he can do is send the driver a letter and see what he says. Said that because the driver doesn't live in Dublin then all he can do is hope the driver still lives at the address and returns a call.

If only we had some kind of interconnected network of Gardai spread all round the country to deal with such cases?

Duckjob · 29-03-2019 03:41PM

axer wrote: »

Garda said he still doesn't see any law broken and showed to a senior Garda who said as I didn't wobble I wasn't impacted so doesn't see an issue. Garda wants to close the incident and wants me to point him to the law that was broken. Does anyone know which law I point him towards?

And there you have it. The approach to road safety and protecting vunerable road users in Ireland as expressed by senior Gardai comes down to a "wobble test".

Pathetic.

rushfan · 29-03-2019 03:48PM

amcalester wrote:

Driving without reasonable consideration or driving without due care and attention could apply, I think.

Sec 52 ( 1 ) of the RTA would appear to cover this. Sounds like the Garda wasn't particularly familiar with the legislation.

ED E · 29-03-2019 03:57PM

rushfan wrote: »

Sec 52 ( 1 ) of the RTA would appear to cover this. Sounds like the Garda wasn't particularly familiar with the legislation.

It would be Section 51A as substituted. Section 52 couldn't be dealt with via an FCPN (2pts, €80) instead requiring court.

OP ask for 51A as enacted in 2011 section 4. See what they say.

Torres09 · 29-03-2019 04:17PM

Nearly got killed today....coming from Roganstown towards Ballyboughal. I see a 40ft McBurney Transport stopped at Aramex, must have been checking paperwork or something cos he wasn't moving but... I knew what was gonna happen. As I approached sure enough her precedes to come out on top of me. He never seen me until I roared at him...it was that close he had to reverse the truck to let me pass, then shouted out window " if ya had lights people would see you". This is at 10:00am on a dry, clear sunny day and I'm on a Yelllow...yes Yellow bike!!

rushfan · 29-03-2019 04:49PM

ED E wrote:

It would be Section 51A as substituted. Section 52 couldn't be dealt with via an FCPN (2pts, â‚¬80) instead requiring court.

So for Sec 52 to be the relevant legislation, would it have to be witnessed by the Garda?

ED E · 29-03-2019 05:40PM

rushfan wrote: »

So for Sec 52 to be the relevant legislation, would it have to be witnessed by the Garda?

IANAL but no, I dont think so. I know of cases where no member was present that went to court.

The issue is court is time consuming and jurors are mostly comprised of motorists who, in my estimation, empathise with accused drivers a bit too much. The "we all make mistakes driving so its ok" argument. This means no member will even consider progressing unless its a very blatant.

FCPN offences on the other hand they say "here's 1-3 points and a very small fine, accept that or we go to court and you risk double points and a big fine". Unless the driver is already on 6 or 9 points they're not motivated to contest.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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