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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 6) *Read Mod Note in Post 1* Revised 13-01-19

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    #2462
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    He is looking for shares which is fair enough. Smart move to look after his future. They might settle on some kind of share option scheme, that Conor can buy in at a preferential price which many companies offer to employees.


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    #2463
    derfderf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    As soon as Conor retires that share price drops though.


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    #2464
    dave1982
    Registered Users Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    https://twitter.com/TMBRKS/status/1107975758046265344?s=19


    I had to laugh


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    #2465
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    So his objection is that him co-maining a card effectively helps to boost the popularity of the fighter(s) they are trying to push. A one-off compensation is not enough if he is helping them create future revenue generators. (creating stars is something the UFC have historically been very poor at).

    It's a fair point, whether he will get it or not is another matter. He has been pushing for this for a long time.


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    #2466
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Can anyone own shares in a company?


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    #2467
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Can anyone own shares in a company?

    I don't think under 18s can but apart from that yes.


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    #2468
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,989 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Can anyone own shares in a company?

    Its a consortium of 24 people own the UFC, they would need to dilute their shares to give to him a % or he could buy in.

    I think its a pretty poor investment to be a part of, it will never be worth more than what they paid. Pre McGregor UFC wouldn't have went for anywhere near 4.2 billion.

    How much do they give him? 1% is $42m.

    He's a loss or 2 away from adding zero value to your brand/investment aswell. It doesn't bode well if your biggest star is someone who hasn't won an MMA fight since Nov 16.


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    #2469
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,119 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    derfderf wrote:
    As soon as Conor retires that share price drops though.
    No it wouldn't.
    It's a private company, there's no share price.


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    #2470
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    As a private company they would have their own internal share price for investors.

    Its is not publicly traded so the market does not determine the price. But everyone who has invested owns a certain amount of shares in the company. As its private they set the price internally using a market benchmark, but it really dependent on how much new investors are willing to pay. Or how much existing owners want for a share.

    Existing shareholders would be reluctant to dilute their shares unless there was investment capital coming in. But could do it in place of bonus or ancillary payments to Conor.


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    #2471
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Mellor wrote: »
    No it wouldn't.
    It's a private company, there's no share price.

    The value of the shares will decrease, bit pedantic mellor


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    #2472
    The Rooster
    Registered Users Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    The value of the shares will decrease, bit pedantic mellor
    ‘Pedantic’ is being kind. It was just plain wrong.
    Just because shares aren’t publicly quoted doesn’t mean they don’t have a value and that value can obviously go up and down.


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    #2473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Lads, this is the MMA forum.. keep discussing the intricacies of private company ownership I'm sure Axwell will have the ban hammer out..


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    #2474
    Axwell
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lads, this is the MMA forum.. keep discussing the intricacies of private company ownership I'm sure Axwell will have the ban hammer out..

    Keep up the back seat moderating and you and a few others will be at the end of the said ban hammer.


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    #2475
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,625 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Just to add to Axwell's comments above. This is not the place to comment about moderation. I have already indicated in this thread how easy it was for me to track down the (open) forum feedback thread. Please post there if you wish the direction of moderation to move away from treating this as a sport. If you want to gossip, perhaps this forum should be relocated to "Soc and Fun"? (yes that comment is tongue in cheek before anyone gets too worked up over it) Again, do not respond here. Find that feedback thread and post your suggestions there

    To those of you who do consider this a sport, and wish to continue the sporting discussion, again I would suggest you make your feelings known in that feedback thread

    Either way, speculation and commentary on potential legal cases is not permitted here or indeed elsewhere on the site


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    #2476
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Mellor isn't being pedantic in the slightest. There is no share price here.

    There is a company valuation, that will only ever become a concept if they were considering selling. The price is whatever they say it is, if they were ever to try to sell.


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    #2477
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Mellor isn't being pedantic in the slightest. There is no share price here.

    There is a company valuation, that will only ever become a concept if they were considering selling. The price is whatever they say it is, if they were ever to try to sell.

    Is it 24 people own the company? So the company is SHARED between 24 people. If one of the 24 sold their SHARE the may get more or less than they paid for their SHARE in the company. Hes being pedantic and you're agreeing with him just for the sake of disagreeing with me


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    #2478
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    When is Khabib back?? He seems to be training now.
    No other fight will bring in the ppv/cash that Khabib x Mcgregor 2 does. And may as well do it straight away as opposed to taking the risk that Conor could lose to another. And now they have an even better back story for it than in the lead-up to 1. Would love to see it headline MSG but guess the ufc would want it in Vegas. So September??


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    #2479
    monty_python
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭monty_python


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    When is Khabib back?? He seems to be training now.
    No other fight will bring in the ppv/cash that Khabib x Mcgregor 2 does. And may as well do it straight away as opposed to taking the risk that Conor could lose to another. And now they have an even better back story for it than in the lead-up to 1. Would love to see it headline MSG but guess the ufc would want it in Vegas. So September??

    If McGregor fought for and won the interm belt before then it would he huge

    And then if he beat khabib his profile will be huge again


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    #2480
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Is it 24 people own the company? So the company is SHARED between 24 people. If one of the 24 sold their SHARE the may get more or less than they paid for their SHARE in the company. Hes being pedantic and you're agreeing with him just for the sake of disagreeing with me

    They don't unilaterally have the right to sell their shares.

    Seriously, this is Junior Cert Pass Business Studies level stuff. The fact you don't understand it isn't my fault.


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    #2481
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    When is Khabib back?? He seems to be training now.
    No other fight will bring in the ppv/cash that Khabib x Mcgregor 2 does. And may as well do it straight away as opposed to taking the risk that Conor could lose to another. And now they have an even better back story for it than in the lead-up to 1. Would love to see it headline MSG but guess the ufc would want it in Vegas. So September??

    Just because the first fight did huge numbers doesn't mean the 2nd one would. People know how that fight goes now. He was dominated start to the finish, theres no mystique about the best striker v undefeated wrestler craic.


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    #2482
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Some (potential) fight news:

    https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1108123437090947072?s=21


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    #2483
    dave1982
    Registered Users Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    Paully D wrote: »
    Some (potential) fight news:

    https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/1108123437090947072?s=21

    Just about to post that but was worried id get pulled for going off topic haha


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    #2484
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    monty_python wrote: »
    If McGregor fought for and won the interm belt before then it would he huge

    And then if he beat khabib his profile will be huge again

    True. If Conor could beat Max in July/Aug and then beat Khabib in msg in November, that would be dreamland and he would have redeemed his past bad behavior. And then give Nate a shot at the title in spring 2020.


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    #2485
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Diaz 3 is a terrible fight. What does it even matter? Diaz is a journeyman who's 13 in the LW rankings.


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    #2486
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Nothing to gain and everything to lose with Diaz 3 at this stage

    He proves nothing by beating him again, it proves nothing in the grand scheme of things, but if Diaz got the job done then it's a bigger dent to him than Khabib was


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    #2487
    Axwell
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    dave1982 wrote: »
    Just about to post that but was worried id get pulled for going off topic haha

    Keep up the smart comments and you wont be around posting at all..


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    #2488
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Diaz 3 is a terrible fight. What does it even matter? Diaz is a journeyman who's 13 in the LW rankings.

    Rankings shmankings! It's about the history between the two fighters, the build up, the trash talk and the fact that we already know it's a great match up because the last one was an absolute classic.

    Who cares about rankings?


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    #2489
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Rankings shmankings! It's about the history between the two fighters, the build up, the trash talk and the fact that we already know it's a great match up because the last one was an absolute classic.

    Who cares about rankings?

    You don't want to see the best fighters fighting each other?

    If it's an even fight it doesn't say much for McGregor that he couldn't beat the 13th best fighter in the division easily.


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    #2490
    [Deleted User]
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    Can McG pull off the thrash talking anymore?.. would it not ring a bit too hollow, even for him?


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    #2491
    goon_magee
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭goon_magee


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Just because the first fight did huge numbers doesn't mean the 2nd one would. People know how that fight goes now. He was dominated start to the finish, theres no mystique about the best striker v undefeated wrestler craic.

    I agree, McGregor could fight Khabib ten times over and that fight goes the same way every time. The fight would still do big numbers but I don't think it has anywhere near the appeal second time round.


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