Madeleine McCann

limnam · 19-03-2019 01:34AM

Trekker09 wrote: »

They are punished every morning they wake up.

Or getting away with a crime...

Teddy Daniels · 19-03-2019 01:35AM

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Trekker09 wrote: »

They are punished every morning they wake up.

That’s rhetoric.

dark crystal · 19-03-2019 01:36AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

Prove they did

Hang on...you stated as fact they never checked at all. I wasn't the one making statements of fact, you were.

Twist it all you like, you weren't there, therefore you have no way of proving your statement that they didn't check.

limnam · 19-03-2019 01:36AM

CPTM wrote: »

One thought that just occurred to me after watching three episodes of the netflix documentary tonight. It says that kate ran back to the group to tell them that Madeleine had been taken. There's no mention about where the twins were at this point. I'm not a parent myself, but did she bring the twins with her when she ran back down to the group to tell them? It doesn't mention them, which to me leads me to believe that she left them in the room despite knowing that there had been an abductor in the room with them moments earlier? Is she claiming that she left the window and shutter open with the twins in their travel cots while she ran down to the group?

she left the twins alone...again...

Trekker09 · 19-03-2019 01:37AM

Mike9832 wrote: »

Alot of professionals and upper class have kids, just to have kids in my experience, they would rather do anything but spend time with them, hence kids spent the whole time in the kiddies club and went straight to bed every evening.

They gave them breakfast, shipped out the door to the kiddies club, bath, supper, into bed, party time

A lot of working class people and those on the dole only have kids to get free houses and hand outs etc, they would rather do anything but spend time with them, hence kids spent the whole time in the kiddies club and went straight to bed every evening.

General sweeping statements. You started it

Trekker09 · 19-03-2019 01:38AM

limnam wrote: »

Or getting away with a crime...

Or not

Teddy Daniels · 19-03-2019 01:38AM

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Trekker09 wrote: »

A lot of working class people and those on the dole only have kids to get free houses and hand outs etc, they would rather do anything but spend time with them, hence kids spent the whole time in the kiddies club and went straight to bed every evening.

General sweeping statements. You started it

What are both of you you saying?
Wierdos !

Trekker09 · 19-03-2019 01:39AM

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

What are both of you you saying?
Wierdos !

Exactly, pointing out that generalisations never work = irony

limnam · 19-03-2019 01:40AM

Trekker09 wrote: »

Or not

I was assuming their innocence if they were punished.

You didn't need to establish it again..

Trekker09 · 19-03-2019 01:43AM

limnam wrote: »

I was assuming their innocence if they were punished.

You didn't need to establish it again..

Well I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think they have suffered enough

Mike9832 · 19-03-2019 01:43AM

Trekker09 wrote: »

A lot of working class people and those on the dole only have kids to get free houses and hand outs etc, they would rather do anything but spend time with them, hence kids spent the whole time in the kiddies club and went straight to bed every evening.

General sweeping statements. You started it

Also true

limnam · 19-03-2019 01:45AM

Left thier kids alone while out eating and drinking.

Refused to assist Portuguese police

Refused to reconstructions

Refused to answer simple questions to press such as. Did they know Murat previously.

Had some very dodgy folk hired on their "team"

Squandered millions on hiring con men two who have since been in prission.

It's really hard to find anything these two did right

CPTM · 19-03-2019 01:48AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

she left the twins alone...again...

God that's chilling if it's the case. I suppose you never know how you'd react, but I would have thought gripping my other kids as close to me as possible would be pretty high on the list. I mean imagine leaving two babies in a room with the window and shutter "wide open", facing a dark street, knowing that an abductor (or abductors) had just crept through the window and across the room (past the babies) moments earlier.

tuxy · 19-03-2019 01:50AM

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It would take too long to wake them if they were sedated.

limnam · 19-03-2019 01:50AM

CPTM wrote: »

God that's chilling if it's the case. I suppose you never know how you'd react, but I would have thought gripping my other kids as close to me as possible would be pretty high on the list. I mean imagine leaving two babies in a room with the window and shutter "wide open", facing a dark street, knowing that an abductor (or abductors) had just crept through the window and across the room (past the babies) moments earlier.

She might have reacted better if her alcohol intake was less.

Mike9832 · 19-03-2019 02:59AM

limnam wrote: »

Left thier kids alone while out eating and drinking.

Refused to assist Portuguese police

Refused to reconstructions

Refused to answer simple questions to press such as. Did they know Murat previously.

Had some very dodgy folk hired on their "team"

Squandered millions on hiring con men two who have since been in prission.

It's really hard to find anything these two did right

Could they have organised/paid someone to kill/aduct Maddie that night?

Doors left open

Straight away jumped on abduction theory

Struggled to control Maddie, difficult child

RacoonQueen · 19-03-2019 07:33AM

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CPTM wrote: »

God that's chilling if it's the case. I suppose you never know how you'd react, but I would have thought gripping my other kids as close to me as possible would be pretty high on the list. I mean imagine leaving two babies in a room with the window and shutter "wide open", facing a dark street, knowing that an abductor (or abductors) had just crept through the window and across the room (past the babies) moments earlier.

Did she jump straight to abduction? That's very odd if she did.
I mean if one child was missing, you'd probably triple check the other kids where still there. Check every room in the apartment again. Under the beds. Call out to her numerous times. Run out to the hallway. I mean, if they had kept going back to the apartment to check on them, the last person might have opened a window at the request of one of the kids.

Trekker09 · 19-03-2019 08:10AM

limnam wrote: »

She might have reacted better if her alcohol intake was less.

Less? What was her alcohol intake?

5 bottles of wine between 7-9 people, not quite Shane McGowan quantities now is it?

A few years ago I worked with an organization that that involved being on the front line of emergencies, outbreaks, war zones earth quakes landslides etc. What struck me most was the reaction and behaviour of people who were in shock, especially the minutes after an event.

How would you react in that situation?

Trekker09 · 19-03-2019 08:15AM

Mike9832 wrote: »

Could they have organised/paid someone to kill/aduct Maddie that night?

Doors left open

Straight away jumped on abduction theory

Struggled to control Maddie, difficult child

Anything is possible but personally I don't think that's a valid option. Getting away from the fact that they are both doctors, I can't see two parents agreeing to have one of their children killed. If it was one of the parents, maybe, but then to keep that to themselves for so long wouldn't be feasible in my opinion.

CPTM · 19-03-2019 08:17AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Did she jump straight to abduction? That's very odd if she did.
I mean if one child was missing, you'd probably triple check the other kids where still there. Check every room in the apartment again. Under the beds. Call out to her numerous times. Run out to the hallway. I mean, if they had kept going back to the apartment to check on them, the last person might have opened a window at the request of one of the kids.

Yes, it seems like she did jump straight to abduction from watching the first few episodes. When she ran to the pool her repeated screams were "Madeleine has been taken", and when anyone suggested Madeleine might have wandered off, she was adamant that wasn't the case. One of the confusing points for the police was that she told them she checked under the beds before running back down to the group, but the police saw that the beds were the type which were almost to the floor, leaving a space that no child could fit in.

Boom_Bap · 19-03-2019 10:28AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

MOD - I'm writing all of this in bold as the other warnings just seem to be ignored.

Please stop getting personal with each other, discuss the case, not each other. This mostly applies to the following posters who are repeatedly doing so and derailing the thread:

splinter65
Mike9832
limnam
Trekker09
Plumbthedepths
Teddy Daniels
dark crystal

Stop getting personal.

Secondly, I think we've all had enough of this debate of trying to proved negligence by Kate and Gerry. That is never going to be solved and from the looks of it, nobody on this thread is willing to budge or even listen to the opposite argument. It stops here.

Please discuss this topic in line with the charter and terms of use you signed up for when registering with boards.

Plumbthedepths · 19-03-2019 10:29AM

CPTM wrote:

Yes, it seems like she did jump straight to abduction from watching the first few episodes. When she ran to the pool her repeated screams were "Madeleine has been taken", and when anyone suggested Madeleine might have wandered off, she was adamant that wasn't the case. One of the confusing points for the police was that she told them she checked under the beds before running back down to the group, but the police saw that the beds were the type which were almost to the floor, leaving a space that no child could fit in.

That's among one of the strangest parts of this fiasco , how she was so adamant that Madeline had been snatched. Witnesses claimed she screamed 'f**kin b*stards have taken her' no thoughts that the child may have woken up and wandered off in search of her parents. Straight to abduction makes no sense tbh.

B_ecke_r · 19-03-2019 10:37AM

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at the end of the day, Forensics is there for a reason and nobody can ignore what was found in the room,

blood and the smell of a corpse.

my theory, like many is she was sedated and woke up groggy looking for parents, hit her head and died.

fact the twins stayed asleep through all the commotion and Kate seemed very concerned with their breathing (and didn't allow them to be drug tested later) is a bit odd no?

at the end of the day, the above is a far better conclusion than the alternative for the poor child.

said before, but they should have been charged with gross neglect but middle class people go "for dinner" they don't go on the piss

maximoose · 19-03-2019 10:47AM

Finished the series lastnight, thought it was very dragged out. Last 2-3 episodes felt pretty pointless and added no substance.

No evidence of an abduction.
Some (but inconclusive) evidence of her death in the apt.

I've no idea what happened, and while I do still have suspicions about the McCanns involvement I came out with a bit more sympathy for them than I had before. The media are scum.

cnocbui · 19-03-2019 10:49AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

B_ecke_r wrote: »

at the end of the day, Forensics is there for a reason and nobody can ignore what was found in the room,

blood and the smell of a corpse.

my theory, like many is she was sedated and woke up groggy looking for parents, hit her head and died.

fact the twins stayed asleep through all the commotion and Kate seemed very concerned with their breathing (and didn't allow them to be drug tested later) is a bit odd no?

at the end of the day, the above is a far better conclusion than the alternative for the poor child.

said before, but they should have been charged with gross neglect but middle class people go "for dinner" they don't go on the piss

You forgot to mention the slimy foot prints that were confirmed to contain alien DNA and the satanic symbols drawn on the walls in goats blood.

19-03-2019 10:57AM

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I don't personally believe the abduction theory. Its far too risky to break into an apartment to abduct someone. Especially an apartment with 3 sleeping children. And an apartment that was apparently being checked every 30 minutes.
There are much easier ways to abduct someone. And Maddie was hardly the only 3 year old blonde girl available.
I can't 100% say it didn't happen, but I just don't believe it.

On the other hand, you've got 2 well trained dogs getting excited and signalling in the exact same spots.
There are many other strange things about the McCanns and their behaviour but I won't go back over it all.

I believe that the parents were involved in her disappearance.
The whole case stinks now though. A Scotland Yard officer had to keep away from the case when he heard that he would only be able to investigate the abduction theory.
An ITV program broadcast to the nation stated that the Irish Tourist now believed his sighting wasn't Gerry McCann. He had to contact ITV himself and point out their mistake. He does still believe it was Gerry.

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 11:42AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

Could they have organised/paid someone to kill/aduct Maddie that night?

Doors left open

Straight away jumped on abduction theory

Struggled to control Maddie, difficult child

What would their motivation have been for paying a criminal to abduct/murder their own child?
Plenty of children are difficult. Plenty of parents struggle with difficult kids.
That doesn't make them murderers.

Plumbthedepths · 19-03-2019 12:11PM

SusieBlue wrote:

Plenty of children are difficult. Plenty of parents struggle with difficult kids. That doesn't make them murderers.

Some however snap.

SusieBlue · 19-03-2019 12:13PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Some however snap.

So they "snapped" and hired a hitman to come and murder their 3yr old on holidays? Really?

oceanman · 19-03-2019 12:14PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

its really stretching creditably to suggest that the parents were some way involved in the murder of their own child...think about it, to commit murder, destroy all the evidence , dispose of a body so well that to this day not a trace of it has ever been found, and do all that without being seen by anyone in a busy holiday resort!....it just dosent add up.

Madeleine McCann

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