Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

seamus · 12-03-2019 11:11PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Even ERG proposing an extension until May 22nd:

http://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1105568607084441602?s=19

This proposal is just so arrogant, I find it hard to process.

"We will go to the EU and tell them we want an extension so that we can prepare for a hard Brexit.
Also, the EU will agree to keep open discussions and trade deals with us while we discuss the longer-term arrangement, and in return we will meet our minimum legal & financial obligations and additionally promise not to deport any EU citizens".

Actual fantasy land stuff.

ThePanjandrum · 12-03-2019 11:15PM

fash wrote: »

The backstop can't be 5 years because there is no technological solution possible

Nothing like this, for example

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 12-03-2019 11:18PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Too simplistic to say that NI would have ~44 seats therefore DUP would win 22. I doubt they'd get near that - PRSTV system encourages other parties to get involved and fight for 3rd and 4th seats in constituencies. So over a period of time you'd actually see non-sectarian parties like the Greens or Socialists getting seats. The big Southern parties would also get involved and are experienced at playing the transfers game.

Sure, but I can't see the vast majority of Unionists not voting for a non Unionist party for the foreseeable future. Also the fact that the Dail has't had a majority government since the 1980's? has me concerned that a Unionist Party could be forever holding the balance of power in government. It'd far from ideal imo.

cryptocurrency · 12-03-2019 11:19PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Even ERG proposing an extension until May 22nd:

http://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1105568607084441602?s=19

This is a good option. Then UK has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

12-03-2019 11:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have been released or being released tomorrow?

Tomorrow Francie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47544149

12-03-2019 11:22PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No, it's naive in the extreme to think any Irish government would choose to put a customs border in the celtic sea for fear of violence from a small section of society.

But there is nothing to stop the EU from "requesting" customs controls there if the border is unenforceable and the UK refuses to place it in the North Channel.

12-03-2019 11:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

A repeat question.

What exactly do they WANT having rejected WA and possible rejecting No Deal also?

Has anyone stated this?

All about what they do not want, but nothing about what they DO want IMO.

The country is so divided, you'll never get a definitive answer, the reasons people made their choice in the original referendum are also very diverse.

bob mcbob · 12-03-2019 11:25PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is a good option. Then UK England has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK England now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

There fixed that for you

Most Scots think independence is a better option than either a Hard Brexit or the deal being offered by Theresa May’s Government, a poll has suggested.

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scottish-independence-more-popular-than-theresa-may-s-brexit-deal-1-4887204

lawred2 · 12-03-2019 11:26PM

bob mcbob wrote: »

There fixed that for you

Most Scots think independence is a better option than either a Hard Brexit or the deal being offered by Theresa May’s Government, a poll has suggested.

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scottish-independence-more-popular-than-theresa-may-s-brexit-deal-1-4887204

I was hoping that post was simply going to be ignored.

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 11:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The country is so divided, you'll never get a definitive answer, the reasons people made their choice in the original referendum are also very diverse.

Guy on Prime Time saying another Referendum would be divisive...could the UK be anymore divided?

boggerman1 · 12-03-2019 11:29PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is a good option. Then UK has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

Now I know what a fake account looks like when raab's name got mentioned.pass him an atlas first to get basic geography first

Hurrache · 12-03-2019 11:35PM

Yeaaahh, this will work
https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105590511757377536?s=19

Duane Dibbley · 12-03-2019 11:37PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is a good option. Then UK has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

What a load of bollix.. The UK Government couldn’t organize a pissup in a brewry. The UK public know it and the EU know it.

I work with over 100 people from the UK and have never heard any of them hold the EU responsible when Brexit chat comes up which is often.

Unless there needs to be an extension with the view of holding a referendem then the EU should keep to the 29th March deadline.

After this date the UK are free to start trade talks from scratch with the world.

LeinsterDub · 12-03-2019 11:38PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Yeaaahh, this will work
https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105590511757377536?s=19

It kind of will especially if they decide to have no tariffs. They are the ones who are going to be cutting standards. We are the ones who need to protect our food and farming standards

12-03-2019 11:40PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It kind of will especially if they decide to have no tariffs. They are the ones who are going to be cutting standards. We are the ones who need to protect our food and farming standards

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Hurrache · 12-03-2019 11:43PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It kind of will especially if they decide to have no tariffs. They are the ones who are going to be cutting standards. We are the ones who need to protect our food and farming standards

If they decide to have no tariffs south to north, they can't have tariffs from anywhere else in the world either if they go to WTO.

An Ciarraioch · 12-03-2019 11:43PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Unless they impose tariffs, they will have to allow the importation of South American meat on the same conditions as that from the EU.

Mr.Nice Guy · 12-03-2019 11:44PM

"I'm an optimist. We've been through much harder negotiations than this in Northern Ireland" Sammy Wilson tells Newsnight.

The difference is the British and Irish governments were willing to indulge your party's nonsense. The EU27 aren't.

cryptocurrency · 12-03-2019 11:45PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1105468031570984962

James O'Brien on fire.

Mrr 7 million pound. That man is such a chippy self-hating moaner. He has no likeable qualities what so ever and the only reason he has a show is because of brexit and the fact most of his listeners tune in because they have such dislike for his views.

I can agree with him on one thing and that is that the WA is junk.

CelticRambler · 12-03-2019 11:46PM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

Nothing like this, for example

Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of room for a 650ha not-a-hard-border-not-holding-or-checking-any-vehicles-not-really-infrastructure transition zone at each of the 300-odd crossing points into Northern Ireland.

A word to the wise: the French do not speak English and frequently use English words wrongly (e.g. my internet provider is called Free, but I still have to pay them ... :rolleyes: )

VinLieger · 12-03-2019 11:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Its funny you think they will have a choice, the US will destroy them in trade negotiations, the smaller market is always the rule taker and outside of the EU the UK is not the powerhouse it likes to think it it. The EU have been realtively kind so far, just wait till they have to sit across the table from China or the US and they will get the shock of their lives

cryptocurrency · 12-03-2019 11:47PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

"I'm an optimist. We've been through much harder negotiations than this in Northern Ireland" Sammy Wilson tells Newsnight.

The difference is the British and Irish governments were willing to indulge your party's nonsense. The EU27 aren't.

You seem under some illusion that all 27 are united.

Popeleo · 12-03-2019 11:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Of course not - that would mean they would have actually made a decision about, well, anything.

But it is clear from the US side that changing UK food regulations would be necessary for a free trade deal with them.

nemefuria · 12-03-2019 11:47PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Unless they impose tariffs, they will have to allow the importation of South American meat on the same conditions as that from the EU.

And if they set all tariffs to zero for Ireland (i.e. EU, i.e. the world), why would anyone do a trade deal with them...

AngryHippie · 12-03-2019 11:48PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I can agree with him on one thing

and that is all ?

VinLieger · 12-03-2019 11:49PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You seem under some illusion that all 27 are united.

Divide and conquer having worked so well for May et al in the last 3 years....

Water John · 12-03-2019 11:49PM

Sammy Wilson didn't take part in hard talks in NI. He was outside the gate protesting against them.

And when Sammy goes for his cod and chips they'll pawn off shark on him instead of the cod.

Itssoeasy · 12-03-2019 11:50PM

So what does an honesty box mean exactly ?

12-03-2019 11:50PM

BBC Newsnight's Nick Watt saying that the Spelman-Dromey amendment is back in play tomorrow which attempts to rule out no deal entirely as opposed to TM's version which still leaves it as an option at some stage.

https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1105583726212378625

prawnsambo · 12-03-2019 11:51PM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

Nothing like this, for example

Which depends on infrastructure for spot checks and actually registering all those bar codes and stuff. Easy to do at a port with physical controls on how you cross the border. Like ships and trains. Which is why the original proposal for a border in the Irish sea made sense. Would not like to try and implement such a scheme on 200+ crossing points with actually more vehicles crossing than Dover.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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