Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Water John

Where did Prime Time get this lunatic journo Ella Whelan?
Iv'e heard many right wing nut jobs on Brexit. She's a left wing one. Equally abrasive and deluded. Calling a fellow panellist, an elected MP, a quisling.

Spanish Eyes

A repeat question.

What exactly do they WANT having rejected WA and possible rejecting No Deal also?

Has anyone stated this?

All about what they do not want, but nothing about what they DO want IMO.

Hurrache

Harry Palmr wrote: »

They know what they have to do to survive the post carbon economy.

Wait until the Russian's say otherwise, according to a TV series I watched.

ArmaniJeanss

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I am for the dissolving of the Irish border and as much service harmonisation on the island as possible. But it would be a mistake to let (you get a TD for every 20,000-30,000) 22 DUP head melts into the Dail and holding the balance of power in government. I would also have concerns that it would harden voters in the South and we could end up with a much worse type of politics.

The only real way for a United Ireland to work out for the benefit of everyone is to have the Assembly up and running in tandem with the Dail.

Too simplistic to say that NI would have ~44 seats therefore DUP would win 22. I doubt they'd get near that - PRSTV system encourages other parties to get involved and fight for 3rd and 4th seats in constituencies. So over a period of time you'd actually see non-sectarian parties like the Greens or Socialists getting seats. The big Southern parties would also get involved and are experienced at playing the transfers game.

WomanSkirtFan8

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I also think that the dup would love as much separation from ROI as possible and a hard border would achieve that. Unfortunately for them it would hasten the end of their little statelet.

I predict a lot of them will end up as almost refugees in some sink estate in Glasgow rather than the “indignity” of living in a United ireland.

I tend to agree with that. I think Arlene Foster even said a while back that she'd leave NI if there was a vote for a united ireland. :rolleyes:

PokeHerKing

WomanSkirtFan8 wrote:

I tend to agree with that. I think Arlene Foster even said a while back that she'd leave NI if there was a vote for a united ireland.

If all unionists could follow her that would be problem solved.

seamus

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Even ERG proposing an extension until May 22nd:

http://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1105568607084441602?s=19

This proposal is just so arrogant, I find it hard to process.

"We will go to the EU and tell them we want an extension so that we can prepare for a hard Brexit.
Also, the EU will agree to keep open discussions and trade deals with us while we discuss the longer-term arrangement, and in return we will meet our minimum legal & financial obligations and additionally promise not to deport any EU citizens".

Actual fantasy land stuff.

ThePanjandrum

fash wrote: »

The backstop can't be 5 years because there is no technological solution possible

Nothing like this, for example

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Too simplistic to say that NI would have ~44 seats therefore DUP would win 22. I doubt they'd get near that - PRSTV system encourages other parties to get involved and fight for 3rd and 4th seats in constituencies. So over a period of time you'd actually see non-sectarian parties like the Greens or Socialists getting seats. The big Southern parties would also get involved and are experienced at playing the transfers game.

Sure, but I can't see the vast majority of Unionists not voting for a non Unionist party for the foreseeable future. Also the fact that the Dail has't had a majority government since the 1980's? has me concerned that a Unionist Party could be forever holding the balance of power in government. It'd far from ideal imo.

cryptocurrency

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Even ERG proposing an extension until May 22nd:

http://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1105568607084441602?s=19

This is a good option. Then UK has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have been released or being released tomorrow?

Tomorrow Francie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47544149

PokeHerKing

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No, it's naive in the extreme to think any Irish government would choose to put a customs border in the celtic sea for fear of violence from a small section of society.

But there is nothing to stop the EU from "requesting" customs controls there if the border is unenforceable and the UK refuses to place it in the North Channel.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

A repeat question.

What exactly do they WANT having rejected WA and possible rejecting No Deal also?

Has anyone stated this?

All about what they do not want, but nothing about what they DO want IMO.

The country is so divided, you'll never get a definitive answer, the reasons people made their choice in the original referendum are also very diverse.

bob mcbob

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is a good option. Then UK England has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK England now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

There fixed that for you

Most Scots think independence is a better option than either a Hard Brexit or the deal being offered by Theresa May’s Government, a poll has suggested.

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scottish-independence-more-popular-than-theresa-may-s-brexit-deal-1-4887204

lawred2

bob mcbob wrote: »

There fixed that for you

Most Scots think independence is a better option than either a Hard Brexit or the deal being offered by Theresa May’s Government, a poll has suggested.

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-scottish-independence-more-popular-than-theresa-may-s-brexit-deal-1-4887204

I was hoping that post was simply going to be ignored.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

The country is so divided, you'll never get a definitive answer, the reasons people made their choice in the original referendum are also very diverse.

Guy on Prime Time saying another Referendum would be divisive...could the UK be anymore divided?

boggerman1

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is a good option. Then UK has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

Now I know what a fake account looks like when raab's name got mentioned.pass him an atlas first to get basic geography first

Hurrache

Yeaaahh, this will work
https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105590511757377536?s=19

Duane Dibbley

cryptocurrency wrote: »

This is a good option. Then UK has seen the EU offer next to nothing and being totally unreasonable while having to watch their hopeless PM publicly humiliated time and time again. This has served its purpose in hardening public resolve now to the point that the public just wants a tough leader who will stand tall and take back the pride. The EU seems to be treating this like a conflict...a very modern one based on threats, underhanded tactics and efforts to submit..all done with the stroke of pens and tweets.

UK now has looked the victim and with much of the public now so anti EU and disgusted with the way they have been disrespected should vote in a PM who will put the Lion back into their status.

I will have a vote in the next leadership challenge to May and i’m still deciding but I think Raab could be the man.

What a load of bollix.. The UK Government couldn’t organize a pissup in a brewry. The UK public know it and the EU know it.

I work with over 100 people from the UK and have never heard any of them hold the EU responsible when Brexit chat comes up which is often.


Unless there needs to be an extension with the view of holding a referendem then the EU should keep to the 29th March deadline.

After this date the UK are free to start trade talks from scratch with the world.

LeinsterDub

Hurrache wrote: »

Yeaaahh, this will work
https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105590511757377536?s=19

It kind of will especially if they decide to have no tariffs. They are the ones who are going to be cutting standards. We are the ones who need to protect our food and farming standards

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It kind of will especially if they decide to have no tariffs. They are the ones who are going to be cutting standards. We are the ones who need to protect our food and farming standards

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Hurrache

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It kind of will especially if they decide to have no tariffs. They are the ones who are going to be cutting standards. We are the ones who need to protect our food and farming standards

If they decide to have no tariffs south to north, they can't have tariffs from anywhere else in the world either if they go to WTO.

An Ciarraioch

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Unless they impose tariffs, they will have to allow the importation of South American meat on the same conditions as that from the EU.

Mr.Nice Guy

"I'm an optimist. We've been through much harder negotiations than this in Northern Ireland" Sammy Wilson tells Newsnight.

The difference is the British and Irish governments were willing to indulge your party's nonsense. The EU27 aren't.

cryptocurrency

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1105468031570984962

James O'Brien on fire.

Mrr 7 million pound. That man is such a chippy self-hating moaner. He has no likeable qualities what so ever and the only reason he has a show is because of brexit and the fact most of his listeners tune in because they have such dislike for his views.


I can agree with him on one thing and that is that the WA is junk.

CelticRambler

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

Nothing like this, for example

Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of room for a 650ha not-a-hard-border-not-holding-or-checking-any-vehicles-not-really-infrastructure transition zone at each of the 300-odd crossing points into Northern Ireland.

A word to the wise: the French do not speak English and frequently use English words wrongly (e.g. my internet provider is called Free, but I still have to pay them ... :rolleyes: )

VinLieger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Its funny you think they will have a choice, the US will destroy them in trade negotiations, the smaller market is always the rule taker and outside of the EU the UK is not the powerhouse it likes to think it it. The EU have been realtively kind so far, just wait till they have to sit across the table from China or the US and they will get the shock of their lives

cryptocurrency

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

"I'm an optimist. We've been through much harder negotiations than this in Northern Ireland" Sammy Wilson tells Newsnight.

The difference is the British and Irish governments were willing to indulge your party's nonsense. The EU27 aren't.

You seem under some illusion that all 27 are united.

Popeleo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone prove that the UK plan to drop standards as things are they've already stated that they're not going to accept chlorine washed chicken for example (from the US).

Of course not - that would mean they would have actually made a decision about, well, anything.

But it is clear from the US side that changing UK food regulations would be necessary for a free trade deal with them.

nemefuria

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Unless they impose tariffs, they will have to allow the importation of South American meat on the same conditions as that from the EU.

And if they set all tariffs to zero for Ireland (i.e. EU, i.e. the world), why would anyone do a trade deal with them...