Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

Galwayguy35 · 12-03-2019 11:19AM

Was watching a clip on Sky News,the jihadi wives are a hateful lot shouting at the cameras that ISIS will be back.

You can't change that way of thinking and they will use their kids to get back to the various European countries they originally came from who will in turn become the next generation of home grown terrorists.

We need to up our game here and develop an anti terrorist organisation along the lines of MI6 and not be relying on the Brits to give us the heads up as to what's happening in our own back yard.

malinheader · 12-03-2019 11:28AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Was watching a clip on Sky News,the jihadi wives are a hateful lot shouting at the cameras that ISIS will be back.

You can't change that way of thinking and they will use their kids to get back to the various European countries they originally came from who will in turn become the next generation of home grown terrorists.

We need to up our game here and develop an anti terrorist organisation along the lines of MI6 and not be relying on the Brits to give us the heads up as to what's happening in our own back yard.

That's not going to happen overnight, years and years of intelligence are needed to build up an anti terrorism organisation like mi6.
Seems to me a majority of people think it's ok to go and join one of the most evil groups ever and commit or help support savage and gruesome acts on innocent people. But if your not caught in the act or filmed doing leaving no evidence against you. your ok to return home as if nothing had happened . Also knowing full well there will be no punishment in this country for what they have probably done.

Richard Hillman · 12-03-2019 11:31AM

Monitoring her or electronic tags won't do anything won't do anything. She will still roll up to Clonskeagh mosque for hours on end, giving it the large one about her pilgrimage to the caliphate, to the acclaim of the parishioners.

jmreire · 12-03-2019 12:07PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Monitoring her or electronic tags won't do anything won't do anything. She will still roll up to Clonskeagh mosque for hours on end, giving it the large one about her pilgrimage to the caliphate, to the acclaim of the parishioners.

And maybe not... she could turn out to be the best anti-isis person on the planet.

Gatling · 12-03-2019 12:27PM

jmreire wrote: »

And maybe not... she could turn out to be the best anti-isis person on the planet.

Highly unlikely more likely she will be happy organising terrorist attacks known she free to do so

Tacklebox · 12-03-2019 12:31PM

Gatling wrote: »

Highly unlikely more likely she will be happy organising terrorist attacks known she free to do so

Dammed if she does dammed if she doesn't.

If she leaves Islam she's a Kaffir, if she stays in her Religion she's going to get it from all sides.

She'll be deemed a coward for surrendering.

If she converts to a Shia or Sufi she's still an apostate in the eye's of the passionate Sunni's...

She made her bed, and it won't be easy.

We might as well accept she's coming home.

jmayo · 12-03-2019 12:45PM

SaifUllah wrote: »

What's wrong with ISIS though ?
Let's not forget for example - the rape and murder of those Yazhidi women was justified - they were the property of the jihadist fighters.

If you go through what they did, the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) didn't do anything ISIS didn't.

SaifUllah wrote: »

F*ck this .

This has all been a test, I can't believe this account is still up.

Shame shame shame shame on boards.ie for letting a user spread vile pro ISIS poison on here with no so much as a card!!!
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Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

MOD

Refrain from the personal abuse please.

Keep it civil please folks.

Did you notice the above posts at all at all all day yesterday ???????

Is it ok to justify rape and murder of innocent women and children if you do in a very civil fashion ?

Perifect · 12-03-2019 12:47PM

jmayo wrote: »

Did you notice the above posts at all at all all day yesterday ???????

Is it ok to justify rape and murder of innocent women and children if you do in a very civil fashion ?

That was very sad in fairness.

jmayo · 12-03-2019 12:55PM

Limpy wrote: »

Most of the people who went over to Syria went while there governments turned a blind eye. Happy in the knowledge that soon they would change a regime and install a puppet.

In the UK some 'freedom fighters' who travelled to Syria were working covertly for the UK. One of the main reasons why the US didnt want the Syrian goverment or Russia finishing off the last batch of Isis land is because they contain many of these 'citizens'. Even Trump said Europe must take back those citizens. And he is right because they facilitated it by turning a blind eye.

No pressure was ever put on Turkey, which is a Nato member to close the border. People were travelling willy nilly to SYRIA and getting plenty of air time from western media about fighting big bad Assad.

Sure didn't RTE have interviews with young lads going off to to fight Gadaffi.
Weren't they great.
Not sure though if they asked them when they returned if they were the ones into ripping up gravestones of WWII dead, especially the ones of Jewish soldiers?

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I suspect when she returns,that all her electronic devices will be monitored and she'll have to sign on at the local Garda Station once a week....
Like what more can be done!?

I will keep reminding people about the killer of Father Jacques Hamel during mass.
You know the elderly priest that had his throat slit on the altar.

Well one of his killers, a 19 year old little scrote had tried twice to get to Syria.
He eventually was investigated and released with following conditions:
including being fitted with an electronic tag allowing authorities to monitor his movements, to live at his parents’ home and to only go out between 8.30am and 12.30pm.

Except that didn't stop him going down to the local church and killing the priest and trying to kill another person.

The police eventually did the necessary and put a bullet in him.

What is stopping this Lisa Smyth from one day going down to the local church and emulating her French fellow believer ?
Absolutely nothing.

Squatter wrote: »

Why do a minority of clueless gob****es persist in whinging about a shady businessman who was caught evading at least €1.6 million in import tax being sent to jail?

Because maybe they see it as very wrong to give someone defrauding the state of taxes consecutive sentences and give rapists and murders concurrent sentences ?
Or the fact rapists and people who kill people got a lower sentence than someone who didn't pay their taxes?

The scumbag murdering postman from Kilkenny, who raped and killed a mother and then murdered her two children on Christmas day, got concurrent sentences on appeal.
FFS.

AlekSmart · 12-03-2019 01:39PM

fash wrote: »

The problem is that she will be going to mosque, interacting with Muslims, telling them all about how wonderful and magical ISIS were and that the bad things were lies/deserved by the unbelievers and that they were destroyed by the unbelievers. She will have free access when she gets back and she will contaminate a lot of people.
I don't have a solution to it- I'm just pointing out what will happen. The government should have declared Isis a proscribed organisation.

There are other issues running parallell here,not all of which are personal to this woman.

The Taoiseach has clearly taken the best PR line for his style of Politics...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/going-to-syria-not-a-crime-so-she-can-come-home-with-her-child-varadkar-37903569.html

Travelling to Syria is not a crime in itself, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

He has confirmed the Irishwoman detained in Syria on suspicion of Isil membership will be allowed to return home because it is the "compassionate thing" to do, he added.

Mr Vardakar is not,in general,a fan of Intelligence agencies and the likes...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/taoiseach-cautious-about-cia-kgb-or-mossad-style-security-agency-1.3466230?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ireland may be too small a country to establish a CIA, KGB, or Israeli Mossad-style security agency, the Taoiseach has told the Dáil.

“The Government would “need to weigh up the pros and cons” of establishing such an agency, he said.

“I am cautious about it, to put it that way,” Mr Varadkar said. “We are a small, neutral country.”

Ever mindful of the bad ol Brits treatment of their Isis Gal,Mr Varadakar's people will want to ensure he does not become another Sajid Javid in the media's eyes.

There is also a somewhat more worrisome detail for Irish Military HQ,which entails what level of intelligence gathering and assessment is carried out within the Defence Forces.

This woman was,after all a long serving,fully trained Soldier,presumably still well acccquainted with modern military tactics,equipment and weaponry ?

The reality that this woman had a level of security clearance to accompany the highest level of the Diplomatic Corps,in the most close-quarter Security scenarios should be ringing all sorts of Alarm Bells in The Directorate of Military Intelligence.(an agency long predating our modern Republic)

The Taoiseach is,after all,a professional politician,just the latest in a long line of such folk,whose job is to strut about,take a bit of flak for a time,before retiring peacefully to a well paid sinecure in business or academia.

The individuals now presenting at the gates of Western media outlets,proclaiming their innocence,naievity or otherwise,are made of sterner stuff altogether,as they have been exposed to,and embraced,a very significant belief-structure,not at all inclined to admire or respect the lifestyle or ethos so well defined by the Taoisígh of modern Éire ?

Plenty of work to be done here I reckon...?

Grayson · 12-03-2019 02:04PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Was watching a clip on Sky News,the jihadi wives are a hateful lot shouting at the cameras that ISIS will be back.

You can't change that way of thinking and they will use their kids to get back to the various European countries they originally came from who will in turn become the next generation of home grown terrorists.

We need to up our game here and develop an anti terrorist organisation along the lines of MI6 and not be relying on the Brits to give us the heads up as to what's happening in our own back yard.

We have a good counter terrorism group. Remember the north of ireland is the most active terrorist hotspot in europe by far. And the Irish police cooperate, with and have information from every other EU country, through europol.

ohnonotgmail · 12-03-2019 02:26PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

There are other issues running parallell here,not all of which are personal to this woman.

The Taoiseach has clearly taken the best PR line for his style of Politics...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/going-to-syria-not-a-crime-so-she-can-come-home-with-her-child-varadkar-37903569.html

Mr Vardakar is not,in general,a fan of Intelligence agencies and the likes...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/taoiseach-cautious-about-cia-kgb-or-mossad-style-security-agency-1.3466230?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ever mindful of the bad ol Brits treatment of their Isis Gal,Mr Varadakar's people will want to ensure he does not become another Sajid Javid in the media's eyes.

There is also a somewhat more worrisome detail for Irish Military HQ,which entails what level of intelligence gathering and assessment is carried out within the Defence Forces.

This woman was,after all a long serving,fully trained Soldier,presumably still well acccquainted with modern military tactics,equipment and weaponry ?

The reality that this woman had a level of security clearance to accompany the highest level of the Diplomatic Corps,in the most close-quarter Security scenarios should be ringing all sorts of Alarm Bells in The Directorate of Military Intelligence.(an agency long predating our modern Republic)

The Taoiseach is,after all,a professional politician,just the latest in a long line of such folk,whose job is to strut about,take a bit of flak for a time,before retiring peacefully to a well paid sinecure in business or academia.

The individuals now presenting at the gates of Western media outlets,proclaiming their innocence,naievity or otherwise,are made of sterner stuff altogether,as they have been exposed to,and embraced,a very significant belief-structure,not at all inclined to admire or respect the lifestyle or ethos so well defined by the Taoisígh of modern Éire ?

Plenty of work to be done here I reckon...?

She was an Air Steward on the government jet. Lets not get carried away.

Giveaway · 12-03-2019 02:28PM

Grayson wrote: »

We have a good counter terrorism group. Remember the north of ireland is the most active terrorist hotspot in europe by far. And the Irish police cooperate, with and have information from every other EU country, through europol.[/quote

Actually agree Grayson. There is a multi agency group under aegis of military intelligence/archives. It is a defacto experienced and effective intelligence group but without the fancy letterhead as mi6 or cia. It shuns the limelight as is proper

jmayo · 12-03-2019 02:43PM

Grayson wrote: »

We have a good counter terrorism group. Remember the north of ireland is the most active terrorist hotspot in europe by far. And the Irish police cooperate, with and have information from every other EU country, through europol.

Why do people always try to equate Republican and Loyalist terrorists with islamic terrorists, especially the modern al qeada or ISIS variety?

How many Arabic speaking police or military do we have ?

How many officers could easily assimilate into an islamic community ?

I would bet we have to rely on the Brits and Americans for most intel.

And even then the lone wolfe, so called mentally disturbed around here, attackers are very hard to monitor never mind spot.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

She was an Air Steward on the government jet. Lets not get carried away.

You mean someone with military training was on a government jet with the leader of the state.
How many other passengers were on board to stop her in the event of an attack ?

Could she have gotten something on board in order to carry out an attack ?
I would bet the answer is Yes.

The fact that someone that had very close proximity to our nations leader a few years later was over with ISIS would be huge matter of concern in any other country.

ohnonotgmail · 12-03-2019 02:51PM

jmayo wrote: »

Why do people always try to equate Republican and Loyalist terrorists with islamic terrorists, especially the modern al qeada or ISIS variety?

How many Arabic speaking police or military do we have ?

How many officers could easily assimilate into an islamic community ?

I would bet we have to rely on the Brits and Americans for most intel.

And even then the lone wolfe, so called mentally disturbed around here, attackers are very hard to monitor never mind spot.

You mean someone with military training was on a government jet with the leader of the state.
How many other passengers were on board to stop her in the event of an attack ?

Could she have gotten something on board in order to carry out an attack ?
I would bet the answer is Yes.

The fact that someone that had very close proximity to our nations leader a few years later was over with ISIS would be huge matter of concern in any other country.

Jeez, you're making her out to be some sort of super soldier. Hyperbole much?

Squatter · 12-03-2019 03:33PM

jmayo wrote: »

someone with military training was on a government jet with the leader of the state. How many other passengers were on board to stop her in the event of an attack ?

Could she have gotten something on board in order to carry out an attack ?
I would bet the answer is Yes.

The fact that someone that had very close proximity to our nations leader a few years later was over with ISIS would be huge matter of concern in any other country.

She could have dropped a roofie into his cup of tea! :eek:

Although I have to admit that there were time during the Celtic Tiger/Mahon Tribunal days when I would happily have paid her to take Bertie out!

jmreire · 12-03-2019 04:23PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Jeez, you're making her out to be some sort of super soldier. Hyperbole much?

As far as I am aware, she was not a member of isis during her flying days....plus, I don't believe that Ireland is in any real and present danger of an Iislamic terrorist attack. ( But yes, I believe that they are here in Ireland now in the present time) As a Country, we are far more valuable to them as a base from which to plan and use as logistics hub. The last thing that they will want is the spotlight that an "event" would shine on them.

Galwayguy35 · 12-03-2019 04:40PM

Grayson wrote: »

We have a good counter terrorism group. Remember the north of ireland is the most active terrorist hotspot in europe by far. And the Irish police cooperate, with and have information from every other EU country, through europol.

It's been a long time since the North was the most active terrorist hotspot in Europe.

Gatling · 12-03-2019 05:56PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

She was an Air Steward on the government jet. Lets not get carried away.

No she was a fully trained soldier first , trained in weapons and military tactics,and emergency response..

Soldiers are trained killers first and foremost

SSr0 · 12-03-2019 06:16PM

Gatling wrote: »

Soldiers are trained killers first and foremost

Is that right. :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 12-03-2019 06:18PM

Gatling wrote: »

No she was a fully trained soldier first , trained in weapons and military tactics,and emergency response..

Soldiers are trained killers first and foremost

a steely eyed dealer of death no doubt

Tacklebox · 12-03-2019 06:54PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a steely eyed dealer of death no doubt

Yes a friend of mine told me women are absolutely deadly with a gun, they listen to the instructions from their trainer.
They are patient and accurate.

He was over in the Lebanon in the early 00's and he told me there was a few women who were way better at hitting the target than the men.

Make no bones about it, she's well trained in the art's of war...

Art's of war lol reminds me when Santa put the boot in that guy in Brave heart and threw him out the window with his art's of war

JP Liz V1 · 12-03-2019 07:08PM

What took her to Syria to begin with, a ISIS Brad Pitt lookalike fighter?

goat2 · 12-03-2019 07:30PM

Gatling wrote: »

No she was a fully trained soldier first , trained in weapons and military tactics,and emergency response..

Soldiers are trained killers first and foremost

With that kind of training, is it possible that she trained some of their fighters on how to handle weapons

Gatling · 12-03-2019 07:35PM

goat2 wrote: »

With that kind of training, is it possible that she trained some of their fighters on how to handle weapons

She would have trained on fibua(fighting in built up areas) and section attacks and defence ,
She could have easily taught others in weapons handling and military menuvers maneuvers, concealment , communications

jmreire · 12-03-2019 07:40PM

goat2 wrote: »

With that kind of training, is it possible that she trained some of their fighters on how to handle weapons

I doubt that very much..segregation between the sexe's was very much the rule as Sharia Law was strictly enforced in the Caliphate. After all, that was one of their main"selling" point's as the most pure form of Islam. Indeed, it drew Muslims from all over the world to swell it's ranks.

Atoms for Peace · 12-03-2019 08:01PM

SoundsRight wrote: »

Gardai don't seem to have the same sort of helplines on their website as UK police for getting advice on a relative converting to Islam. Hopefully this case will have pushed them into action.

I'd have a lot more respect for FG if they actually stood up for the interests of "those who get up in the morning".

Gatling · 12-03-2019 08:01PM

jmreire wrote: »

..segregation between the sexe's was very much the rule as Sharia Law was strictly enforced in the Caliphate.

But yet women took part military and police roles inside the caliphate

pjohnson · 12-03-2019 08:03PM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I'd have a lot more respect for FG if they actually stood up for the interests of "those who get up in the morning".

Ah this violin comes out. Didn't expect it here tbh.

jmreire · 12-03-2019 08:09PM

Gatling wrote: »

But yet women took part military and police roles inside the caliphate

I'm not too sure about what front line military role's women took, but for sure they had Policing roles.... enforcing sharia law, where women were concerned. + Midwives and Doctors in hospitals etc. The Caliphate was advertised as the perfect Muslim society, and the call went out worldwide for Muslims to join them in making this "Perfect Society " work. The looked for people with all kind of qualifications and experience, so Yes, lots of women answered the call, as we have seen.

Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

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