Gardaí contact Louth family after Irish woman is detained in Syria

biko

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0309/1035297-syria/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/irish-soldier-isis-syria-islamic-state-children-mother-a8815396.html

Another western convert turns out to get Islam all wrong and gets radicalised...

Gardaí say they are aware of a female member of the Defence Forces who became radicalised and travelled to Syria but there has been no contact with her since.

Lisa Smyth served as a private in the Defence Forces before transferring to the Air Corps

pjohnson

She made her choice. Now she can reap the consequences.

Giveaway

biko wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0309/1035297-syria/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/irish-soldier-isis-syria-islamic-state-children-mother-a8815396.html

Another western convert turns out to get Islam all wrong and gets radicalised...

Extremist Islam must be really concerned about the amount of psycopaths that take one look at it and conclude, "yup that's for me". Bad for image and all

Giveaway

pjohnson wrote: »

She made her choice. Now she can reap the consequences.

Government jet home. Welfare for life or career as human rights activist. And a slot on the late late show but may have to share with Irish Sam and his libyan adventure. Oh yeah and the book deal(ghostwritten by somebody who works in amnesty international)

Mr.Crinklewood

A terrorist from Louth....never thought I'd see the day.

Should not be allowed back in the country

Squatter

Giveaway wrote: »

Government jet home. Welfare for life or career as human rights activist. And a slot on the late late show but may have to share with Irish Sam and his libyan adventure. Oh yeah and the book deal(ghostwritten by somebody who works in amnesty international)

Does she not need to be adopted as "a cause" by Sinn Fein's Lynn Boylan before she'll get all that stuff?

Giveaway

Squatter wrote: »

Does she not need to be adopted as "a cause" by Sinn Fein's Lynn Boylan before she'll get all that stuff?

No any sinn fein/united left alliance/ppp activist will do

corner of hells

Squatter wrote: »

Does she not need to be adopted as "a cause" by Sinn Fein's Lynn Boylan before she'll get all that stuff?

What's Arabic for "foreva home" ?

Giveaway

corner of hells wrote: »

What's Arabic for "foreva home" ?

Would love if some Yazidis sued her through our courts for the crimes perpetrated and she has to sell all her assets here to compensate them

Yamanoto

I'd have her back if we can send Zappone & Bacik to live in her camp forever.

Tacklebox

Giveaway wrote: »

Would love is some Yazidis sued her through our courts for the crimes perpetrated and she has to sell all her assets here to compensate them

Now you're talking, but sure you'll get the usual sympathetic people who will be screaming about how we're a Liberal country and she's entitled to a fair trial.

The other thread which was interesting was doing well until the usual type of hippie came in and threw a spanner in the works.

The the mod locked it because someone was getting very aggressive with their views, giving people history lessons and attacking people left right and center.

Signore Fancy Pants

corner of hells wrote: »

What's Arabic for "foreva home" ?

Bayt Dayimaan.

Ultimate Seduction

Shes an Irish citizen at the end of the day, we can't turn our backs on her. Our compassion is what separates us from evil isis

Ultimate Seduction

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Shes an Irish citizen at the end of the day, we can't turn our backs on her. Our compassion is what separates us from evil isis

Read that as end of the road and it fit suprisingly well with the message you're putting out there.

Tacklebox

Giveaway wrote: »

EOTR of course. Also remember one of the mods of the now defunct islam forum(or the same username at least) tries the gentle redirect/think of their rights stick while never revealing his backround.

I agree with people having rights, but when it comes to what she did its best to leave her in limbo forever.

Dont take her back, I know her parents will love her no matter what she did no fault of her loved ones.
Some parents have unconditional love for their kids, its just the it is.

She must have been a prominent member of her team of choice, she actually made it to their last stronghold.

She definitely will be shell shocked and well radicalised, and she's definitely seen a lot of action and if she's had 5 years of military training by our armed forces, she definitely knows how to look after herself.

After all from what I heard the ladies in the Irish army are well able to stay on target.

She made her choice, it was a bad choice.

Anyhow its her life, absolutely destroyed and never to see an Irish sunrise again, never to smell the Atlantic sea air again, never to wake uo up and see the rain hop off the window....

No more drives to Galway, seeing the Christmas lights and experiencing our culture... gone forever.

No doubt she though of all this...

Gone forever.

Perifect

Irish people joined and still join the British army, aren't they allowed back in?

corner of hells

Perifect wrote: »

Irish people joined and still join the British army, aren't they allowed back in?

Feck off you.

Billy86

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

A terrorist from Louth....never thought I'd see the day.

Should not be allowed back in the country

You've never been to Dundalk so.

Definitely agree all the same though, look for however it can be done to keep her out. She made the decision to fight against us, and just like that Begum one in the UK she can stay fecked off.

Only issue, and a potentially big one, is how. Shemima Begum also had Pakistan citizenship if I recall - doubt something similar will be the case here. Maybe the Syrians or Kurds or someone else may want to hold on to her for questioning etc.

biko

Perifect wrote: »

Irish people joined and still join the British army, aren't they allowed back in?

Are you equating the British army and ISIS?

Perifect

biko wrote: »

Are you equating the British army and ISIS?

No, isis never committed mass murder here.

corminators

Revoke her passport if she has IS citizenship now.

biko

biko wrote: »

Are you equating the British army and ISIS?

I don't think Isis have killed anyone here.

Looking at overall body counts, the BA has probably killed far more in the middle East than isis.

Franz Von Peppercorn

She’s an Irish citizen. I’d be happy with her getting tried in Syria as it happens but many of the people who hate Islamic radicals hate Assad and he’s the authority there.

If not there, here.

Franz Von Peppercorn

corminators wrote: »

Revoke her passport if she has IS citizenship now.

You don’t want to give government that power.

PooPooPooPoo

Let's call this like it is.

Leave this viper in a cell to rot. ISIS have planned attacks on Dublin before (irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-woman-claims-isis-cell-discussed-terror-attack-in-dublin-1.3232377?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) so he likes of this tramp can stay where she is.

She would use the cause of ISIS to kill her own people. Not one penny of taxpayer's money should be spent on repatriation.

She is nothing more than a detestable traitor and must be treated at such.

A rope is too good for her.

Yurt2

Unfortunately, she's our moron and we'll have to take her back if she can make her way. If this was a Begum-like case (citizenship by acquisition) and she had access to another nationality, I'd say scr*w her.

Can she be charged with membership of an illegal organisation when she returns?

Perifect

PooPooPooPoo wrote: »

Let's call this like it is.

Leave this viper in a cell to rot. ISIS have planned attacks on Dublin before (irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-woman-claims-isis-cell-discussed-terror-attack-in-dublin-1.3232377?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) so he likes of this tramp can stay where she is.

She would use the cause of ISIS to kill her own people. Not one penny of taxpayer's money should be spent on repatriation.

She is nothing more than a detestable traitor and must be treated at such.

A rope is too good for her.

Again, the only difference between isis and the British army from the above is that the British army actually did attack Dublin! And many other areas.

I'm not being funny, why wouldn't we accept this woman back? We've accepted worse back.

El_Bee

if that guy who got lost on the way to the movies and ended up accidentally giving a speech to the muslim brotherhood in Egypt is anything to go by she'll be hailed as a hero when she gets back.

El Tarangu

Yurt! wrote: »

Unfortunately, she's our moron and we'll have to take her back if she can make her way. If this was a Begum-like case (citizenship by acquisition) and she had access to another nationality, I'd say scr*w her.

Can she be charged with membership of an illegal organisation when she returns?

Agreed.

I hope that the Syrians lock her up and throw away the key; failing that, if she is deported back, I hope she faces a good long stretch here instead.

People saying that 'she shouldn't be allowed back' aren't really taking into account the reality of the situation - if an Irish citizen was convicted of rape in Australia, and the authorities there wanted to deport them after serving their sentence, the Irish government couldn't say "no thanks, you hang on to them there".

Tacklebox

El Tarangu wrote: »

Agreed.

I hope that the Syrians lock her up and throw away the key; failing that, if she is deported back, I hope she faces a good long stretch here instead.

People saying that 'she shouldn't be allowed back' aren't really taking into account the reality of the situation - if an Irish citizen was convicted of rape in Australia, and the authorities there wanted to deport them after serving their sentence, the Irish government couldn't say "no thanks, you hang on to them there".

Sure give her the maximum sentence in Iraq or Syria.

Then she can come back, by then she'll be so old she wouldn't be capable of doing much to be honest.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

So she’s discovering being with Isis isn’t all summer camps in the Tora Bora, and cruelty to animals.

There’s downsides to it too.

jmayo

El Tarangu wrote: »

Agreed.

I hope that the Syrians lock her up and throw away the key; failing that, if she is deported back, I hope she faces a good long stretch here instead.

People saying that 'she shouldn't be allowed back' aren't really taking into account the reality of the situation - if an Irish citizen was convicted of rape in Australia, and the authorities there wanted to deport them after serving their sentence, the Irish government couldn't say "no thanks, you hang on to them there".

No they are allowed back and then the homeless crisis circle jerks use them as a symbol for their campaigns. :rolleyes:

Funny how all the fookers on RTE radio this morning are already pedaling the shyte about bringing her back.

This country is fooked with the amount of quislings we have.

No wonder it took so long to get rid of the Brits.

Giveaway

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

So she’s discovering being with Isis isn’t all summer camps in the Tora Bora, and cruelty to animals.

There’s downsides to it too.

That was al qaeda camps in Bora Bora

Immortal Starlight

I would love to think that this woman would never set foot in Ireland again. That is probably just wishful thinking though because the minute she looks for assistance our government will roll out the red carpet. She will be presented to us as an innocent snatched back from the wolves and do the usual routine of tv appearances and book deals.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Tacklebox wrote: »

Sure give her the maximum sentence in Iraq or Syria.

Then she can come back, by then she'll be so old she wouldn't be capable of doing much to be honest.

If they don’t want her, what then? Why do we get to absolve ourselves of the responsibilty?.

Say my name

Don't care about her either way.

But is there anything to be said for the intelligence she has garnered on IS and the benefits that could have now to our own defence forces?

amcalester

There was a lot of support when the dodgy taxi drivers were deported out of Ireland. I’m sure whatever county they were sent back to didn’t want them.

Why is this any different?

Once the Americans are done with her we’ll take her back and hopefully she’ll rot in prison for a long time.

Giveaway

Now the Dundalk iman is weighing in, saying if he had known she was radicialised he would have discouraged her travelling. I do not believe him. Especially the hundreds that left to fight with islamists in Libya and Syria who were supported by their communities and mosques

batgoat

Giveaway wrote: »

Now the Dundalk iman is weighing in, saying if he had known she was radicialised he would have discouraged her travelling. I do not believe him. Especially the hundreds that left to fight with islamists in Libya and Syria who were supported by their communities and mosques

I'm relatively familiar with him and had some interactions with him. Strongly disagree with him on a lot of things. But he's strongly anti extremism. (I'm atheist for the record)

jmayo

Over on the other thread you had the arguments that by not taking her back we are dumping our values and that anyone that doesn't want these back are anti European values, etc, etc.
And that we are no better than ISIS, etc.

What all these numpties fail to recognise is that all the values, all the freedoms they bleat on about have been hard won, won with lives of millions of people.
And they can usually lambast the US, they can bitch and moan about them all they want but without them, we would probably either be speaking German working as slave labourers or speaking Russian living in a collective farm with fear of transfer to a gullag.

All the Western values we enjoy in Europe were protected through the blood of millions who went to fight fascism and then faced down communism.

The only reason Western Europe did not have to go to war with USSR was the bomb, otherwise Stalin would have kept rolling Westward and there would never have been the much liberally lauded EU.

Or western secular values were never guaranteed or ultimately protected by protest marches, but by men and indeed women willing to die carrying a gun.

And we are only going to save those values in the future by the same means.

You don't reason with an ISIS supporting fanatic or a al qeada supporter no more than you did with a member of the SS.

The old attributed Orwell/Churchill quote still holds true today.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

And the real twist is that the left, the liberals are driving the growth of a real hard right who would drag us back to the 1930s.
They, through their stupidity and desire to be seen as ultra liberal, are creating the very thing they claim they detest.

cannotlogin

Zero tolerance - she made her choice.

Tacklebox

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

If they don’t want her, what then? Why do we get to absolve ourselves of the responsibilty?.

Well Maybe send her to the Hague for war crime's.

If we're part of Europe, maybe there should be a prison for traitors and terrorist's.

The prison could be somewhere remote with maximum security, somewhere which is heavily guarded, an island preferably.

She can bring her prayer mat and holy book with her, leave her out for an hour a day.

Then she can watch reruns of wanderly wagon and glenroe, pull weeds from the paving, paint stones or something, every now and again show her footage of what she's missing from her homeland....

Nostalgia really hits home with these people.

Tacklebox

jmayo wrote: »

Over on the other thread you had the arguments that by not taking her back we are dumping our values and that anyone that doesn't want these back are anti European values, etc, etc.
And that we are no better than ISIS, etc.

What all these numpties fail to recognise is that all the values, all the freedoms they bleat on about have been hard won, won with lives of millions of people.
And they can usually lambast the US, they can bitch and moan about them all they want but without them, we would probably either be speaking German working as slave labourers or speaking Russian living in a collective farm with fear of transfer to a gullag.

All the Western values we enjoy in Europe were protected through the blood of millions who went to fight fascism and then faced down communism.

The only reason Western Europe did not have to go to war with USSR was the bomb, otherwise Stalin would have kept rolling Westward and there would never have been the much liberally lauded EU.

Or western secular values were never guaranteed or ultimately protected by protest marches, but by men and indeed women willing to die carrying a gun.

And we are only going to save those values in the future by the same means.

You don't reason with an ISIS supporting fanatic or a al qeada supporter no more than you did with a member of the SS.

The old attributed Orwell/Churchill quote still holds true today.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

And the real twist is that the left, the liberals are driving the growth of a real hard right who would drag us back to the 1930s.
They, through their stupidity and desire to be seen as ultra liberal, are creating the very thing they claim they detest.

I know who you're referring to on the other thread, I went through some of their post's and their debating style is quite shocking and extremely angry.

Reminds me of someone who's at home swigging the whiskey and smoking a cigarette, trolling board's looking to be offended.

They keep refering to Liberal this Liberal that.

But yet they have no respect for the liberty of you and I to express out contempt for bringing home a terrorist.

There's no reasoning with these people, they're as brain washed as the inside of a washing machine with dirty water.

Telpis

SaifUllah

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

A terrorist from Louth....never thought I'd see the day.

Should not be allowed back in the country

She should of course!
She is an Irish citizen and it's arguable even if she should stand trial.

White American soldiers that murdered Iraqis are brought home as heroes.
She happens to be on the "wrong" side as defined by the Islamaphobic west.

This is all just more excuses for racism and Islamaphobic bigotry against Muslims.

Shame on you all.

#FreeLisaSmyth
#LisaSmythIsInnocent

Tacklebox

SaifUllah wrote: »

She should of course!
She is an Irish citizen and it's arguable even if she should stand trial.

White American soldiers that murdered Iraqis are brought home as heroes.
She happens to be on the "wrong" side as defined by the Islamaphobic west.

This is all just more excuses for racism and Islamaphobic bigotry against Muslims.

Shame on you all.

Assalam walekum

jmayo

SaifUllah wrote: »

She should of course!
She is an Irish citizen and it's arguable even if she should stand trial.

White American soldiers that murdered Iraqis are brought home as heroes.
She happens to be on the "wrong" side as defined by the Islamaphobic west.

This is all just more excuses for racism and Islamaphobic bigotry against Muslims.

Shame on you all.

#FreeLisaSmyth
#LisaSmythIsInnocent

You do know a large portion of the US military are Hispanic and black ?
But I guess they leave the shooting to the white guys :rolleyes:

Wind up merchant or else a very worrying fooker that should be sent right over to ms smyth where they belong.

Giveaway

batgoat wrote: »

I'm relatively familiar with him and had some interactions with him. Strongly disagree with him on a lot of things. But he's strongly anti extremism. (I'm atheist for the record)

i choose to believe Iman Al Qadri, the Shia and the Adhimya
All Qadri not just talks the talk, he walks the walk. Unfortunately only 50 turned up to his anti-extremism rally, and were even hassled by a few Salafi

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/returning-irish-muslim-fighters-definitely-a-threat-imam-1.2069115

jmayo

Giveaway wrote: »

i choose to believe Iman Al Qadri, the Shia and the Adhimya
All Qadri not just talks the talk, he walks the walk. Unfortunately only 50 turned up to his anti-extremism rally, and were even hassled by a few Salafi

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/returning-irish-muslim-fighters-definitely-a-threat-imam-1.2069115

He doesn't count, he is not from the media's darling muslim brotherhood controlled islamic centre in Clonskeagh.
A very convenient location to RTE, just around the corner. :rolleyes:

Giveaway

jmayo wrote: »

He doesn't count, he is not from the media's darling muslim brotherhood controlled islamic centre in Clonskeagh.
A very convenient location to RTE, just around the corner. :rolleyes:

Funny he mentions the same thing at the end of the article i quoted. The Islamic Brotherhood in Clonskeagh are the go to Muslims for the goverment. its a disgrace

suicide_circus

put her in the pillory in Dundalk town square

Tacklebox

Giveaway wrote: »

i choose to believe Iman Al Qadri, the Shia and the Adhimya
All Qadri not just talks the talk, he walks the walk. Unfortunately only 50 turned up to his anti-extremism rally, and were even hassled by a few Salafi

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/returning-irish-muslim-fighters-definitely-a-threat-imam-1.2069115

I have a few Alawite,Sufi and Shia friends,we seem to have the same opinion of the Salafi...

Say no more.