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M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

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    #1502
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,402 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    VR6 wrote: »
    M20 Cork Limerick is surely near the top of the priority list.

    A totally substandard road between the countries' second and third largest cities.

    The N11 was pretty much all upgraded and widened within the past 30 years- the example you cite and so many more haven’t been upgraded in 50 plus years.
    It makes sense to focus limited resources onto roads that need attention most.


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    #1503
    road_high
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    Maybe I'm the only one but I am one of those that disagree that Oilgate/Oylegate will become a bottle neck.



    Take the end of the current M11 at Clogh roundabout, people thought the same about Camolin, yes, it's slow through there, but it's a village, but IME traffic is always flowing and never really a problem - I've been down there at all times of the day and on different days, never really a problem. Same will happen through Oilgate/Oylegate imo.



    The Gorey by-pass is almost empty most of the time, and so will the Enniscorthy by pass be.



    The big win will be the removal of Enniscorthy from the main road.

    And Camolin is much bigger. Oilgate barely registers on the map


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    #1504
    WicklowTiger
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    serfboard wrote: »
    I decided to have a look at this. Behold the "Urban Centre" of Oylegate:
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    (From Google Maps)

    And that there is soon to be the set of traffic lights between Rosslare and Belfast...


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    #1505
    Marcusm
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    Maybe I'm the only one but I am one of those that disagree that Oilgate/Oylegate will become a bottle neck.



    Take the end of the current M11 at Clogh roundabout, people thought the same about Camolin, yes, it's slow through there, but it's a village, but IME traffic is always flowing and never really a problem - I've been down there at all times of the day and on different days, never really a problem. Same will happen through Oilgate/Oylegate imo.



    The Gorey by-pass is almost empty most of the time, and so will the Enniscorthy by pass be.



    The big win will be the removal of Enniscorthy from the main road.

    Surely Ferns rather than CAmolin was the pinchpoint as a result of the roundabout and competition with local traffic (without priority). don't think there's any similar ninchpopint between Oylegate and Wexford town.


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    #1506
    m17
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    January 2019 pics form the m11gtoe.ie website
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    #1507
    BelfastVanMan
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    m17 wrote: »
    January 2019 pics form the m11gtoe.ie website

    Thanks for sharing, M17.


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    #1508
    MichealD
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    josip wrote: »
    And there was I thinking nobody ever read any stuff I posted :D
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109399947&postcount=1456
    Thanks kneemos.

    The tonnage figures handled by Irish ports in the table in the above post is interesting but unless I'm misreading obscures the point the Rosslare is a Ro-Ro port with very little goods handling facilities.

    I think this table below, showing passenger and commercial vehicle movements is probably more relevant to a discussion on demands for road infrastructure.

    https://www.cso.ie/multiquicktables/quickTables.aspx?id=tba12

    An extract from the 2017 figures show for example;

    Freight vehicles
    Dublin 992,295
    Rosslare 129.276
    Cork 35,352


    Passenger cars
    Dublin 503,557
    Rosslare 269,910
    Cork 25,851



    According to an interview in last Fridays Irish Times Rosslare is running at about 50% of available capacity so you would imagine any future capacity issues in Dublin Port could see more traffic routed south.

    All that said, and back on N11/M11 topic, I think some action on the roundabouts on the Wexford bypass would alleviate issues below the end of the current scheme which is of a fairly decent standard. I've traveled morning & evening through Oylegate for 25 years and there are very rarely hold ups bar the obvious speed controls. The N25 roundabout further south in particular continues to be a major blockage with anything from 5 - 20 minute delays at peak times especially in the evenings.


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    #1509
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,402 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    The Wexford bypass is of a very reasonable standard. The roundabouts should be upgraded and widened like the N10 Kilkenny ring road- allowing traffic to proceed forward in both lanes. There’s only three roadabouts in any case.
    Also they could rejg the lethal Johnstown castle junction- close the slip road and upgrade it into a grade separated flyover.


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    #1510
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,322 ✭✭✭m17


    The Slaney crossing 31/08/17
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    #1511
    Cantona's Collars
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    The roundabout north of Oylegate is starting to take shape,a lot of work completed in a week.
    It's great to get drone footage and stuff from the website as access to a lot of the works is very difficult to get, parking etc makes it unsafe to stop for pictures.


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    #1512
    vicwatson
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    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    The roundabout north of Oylegate is starting to take shape,a lot of work completed in a week.
    It's great to get drone footage and stuff from the website as access to a lot of the works is very difficult to get, parking etc makes it unsafe to stop for pictures.


    Any up to date drone footage knocking around?


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    #1513
    The Spider
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    road_high wrote: »
    The N11 was pretty much all upgraded and widened within the past 30 years- the example you cite and so many more haven’t been upgraded in 50 plus years.
    It makes sense to focus limited resources onto roads that need attention most.

    Living in Gorey and commute to Dublin, been doing it the best part of a decade, I remember before the motorway from the behive to jack whites was completed and the journey was a nightmare, now in no traffic you can get from Gorey to carrickmines in roughly 45 minutes, quicker than getting from the northside to the southside. With that theres a huge increase in people moving to Gorey, the amount of houses being built is insane, however with the price of property in Dublin this makes sense for people to move to and still be in relative easy distance of dublin.

    With the new motorway I have no doubt that this will open the rest of wexford to commuters.


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    #1514
    spacetweek
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    The Spider wrote: »
    Living in Gorey and commute to Dublin, been doing it the best part of a decade, I remember before the motorway from the behive to jack whites was completed and the journey was a nightmare, now in no traffic you can get from Gorey to carrickmines in roughly 45 minutes, quicker than getting from the northside to the southside. With that theres a huge increase in people moving to Gorey, the amount of houses being built is insane, however with the price of property in Dublin this makes sense for people to move to and still be in relative easy distance of dublin.

    With the new motorway I have no doubt that this will open the rest of wexford to commuters.
    In no traffic, yea it's doable - but traffic at the Dublin end is a joke at rush hour.
    It's not sustainable to keep extending the commuter belt further south until the single track railway line and poor quality dual N11 are tackled.


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    #1515
    The Spider
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    In no traffic, yea it's doable - but traffic at the Dublin end is a joke at rush hour.
    It's not sustainable to keep extending the commuter belt further south until the single track railway line and poor quality dual N11 are tackled.

    Don't think it's just the N11, Dublin is grinding to a halt, that's the problem when you base the entire country's business in one area. However theoretically you would think that companies would move further south to take advantage of the commuters, soon it might be a moot point as more and more companies offer remote work because they have no choice if they want staff, either that or pay them the insane cost of living wage in Dublin.


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    #1516
    marno21
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    The Spider wrote: »
    Don't think it's just the N11, Dublin is grinding to a halt, that's the problem when you base the entire country's business in one area. However theoretically you would think that companies would move further south to take advantage of the commuters, soon it might be a moot point as more and more companies offer remote work because they have no choice if they want staff, either that or pay them the insane cost of living wage in Dublin.

    Sorry but this is a bad approach to take. Dublin could take 20x the business it has as long as its infrastructure was scaled appropriately.

    Dublin's main problem is that it's infrastructure is not growing at a sufficent rate to keep up with economic growth and population growth.

    The fact that Metro North and DART Underground are still not close to being built despite being in the plans for ridiculously long periods of time (is it 1972 in the case of DART Underground) is an example of this. Transport21 sought to rectify this to an extent but we are now 14 years on from Transport21 and the major ideas (or their reincarnations) don't even have planning permission.

    The increase of commuting from Wexford even with the M11/M50 problems is frightening.


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    #1517
    tylercheribini
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    A Park and Ride facility at the Cherrywood Luas stop wouldnt go a stray, the Carrickmines one was full the last few times I tried it.


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    #1518
    thethinker
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Sorry but this is a bad approach to take. Dublin could take 20x the business it has as long as its infrastructure was scaled appropriately.

    Dublin's main problem is that it's infrastructure is not growing at a sufficent rate to keep up with economic growth and population growth.

    The fact that Metro North and DART Underground are still not close to being built despite being in the plans for ridiculously long periods of time (is it 1972 in the case of DART Underground) is an example of this. Transport21 sought to rectify this to an extent but we are now 14 years on from Transport21 and the major ideas (or their reincarnations) don't even have planning permission.

    The increase of commuting from Wexford even with the M11/M50 problems is frightening.

    Why is it a bad approach? Seems to me to be more based in reality that your points. Where did you get 20x from? When has infrastructure in Ireland ever been scaled even near right?


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    #1519
    The Spider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭The Spider


    marno21 wrote: »
    Sorry but this is a bad approach to take. Dublin could take 20x the business it has as long as its infrastructure was scaled appropriately.

    Dublin's main problem is that it's infrastructure is not growing at a sufficent rate to keep up with economic growth and population growth.

    The fact that Metro North and DART Underground are still not close to being built despite being in the plans for ridiculously long periods of time (is it 1972 in the case of DART Underground) is an example of this. Transport21 sought to rectify this to an extent but we are now 14 years on from Transport21 and the major ideas (or their reincarnations) don't even have planning permission.

    The increase of commuting from Wexford even with the M11/M50 problems is frightening.

    Well if more companies offer remote it'll take off some of the pressure, this is happening now and starting to snowball, a friend of mine who works in recruitment said its the number one thing potential employees are asking for now, even in comparison to a year ago. The biggest blockers to it at the moment are managers from his viewpoint, is that people who've been promoted to manager are resistant (in some companies) because even though they may have had a raise, the nature of needing to be in the office because they're management, negates any salary increase in other words they don't like the idea of direct reports earning less but having a much better lifestyle living in a big house down the country.

    The extension of the motorway will allow people to move further south and still be in work a couple of days a week, realistically you should see companies then begin to move further south than cherrywood, rather than basing themselves in the city centre.


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    #1520
    red_bairn
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    The Spider wrote: »
    The extension of the motorway will allow people to move further south and still be in work a couple of days a week, realistically you should see companies then begin to move further south than cherrywood, rather than basing themselves in the city centre.

    Yeah, hopefully more in Wicklow/Wexford (like Greystones).


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    #1521
    kneemos
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    No great queue's of an evening in Enniscorthy since they started on the roundabout.

    Must be going a different direction.


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    #1522
    m17
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    #1523
    Cantona's Collars
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    That's the existing roundabout. They put new extruded kerb around it. The embankment in the bottom left is where the link road to the M11 will tie in with it.
    Speaking of the link road, tarring is flying along with convoys of tar trucks moving along it. Railings are almost complete on the Slaney bridge too.


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    #1524
    Fixture
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    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    That's the existing roundabout. They put new extruded kerb around it. The embankment in the bottom left is where the link road to the M11 will tie in with it.
    Speaking of the link road, tarring is flying along with convoys of tar trucks moving along it. Railings are almost complete on the Slaney bridge too.

    Maybe I missed it in earlier posts but what’s the likely opening date?


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    #1525
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Fixture wrote: »
    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    That's the existing roundabout. They put new extruded kerb around it. The embankment in the bottom left is where the link road to the M11 will tie in with it.
    Speaking of the link road, tarring is flying along with convoys of tar trucks moving along it. Railings are almost complete on the Slaney bridge too.

    Maybe I missed it in earlier posts but what’s the likely opening date?

    The official date seems to be the 31st of July.

    If the M17/M18 is anything to go by in 2017, then there'll probably not be any early opening, even if they do finish on schedule.
    All this is purely speculative, of course.


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    #1526
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Permit to use as per the PPP contract is 31st July 2019. Could be brought forward/back depending on a variety of reasons.


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    #1527
    Cantona's Collars
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    There's a lot of it pretty much finished,if the weather behaves, they'll fly through the rest.
    They are working flat out 6 days a week.


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    #1528
    Bigus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    There's a lot of it pretty much finished,if the weather behaves, they'll fly through the rest.
    They are working flat out 6 days a week.

    The whole south bound lanes are completely finished/ top coat, shores in,concrete drains, drain covers, barriers,grass and swept and washed back to black. So clean even construction traffic is barred/finished all the way from camolin to the harrow. Only job outstanding is they're Just not lined yet.


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    #1529
    Cantona's Collars
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    Just as an aside,site prep is underway for the bones of 1000 houses near the Monart Interchange on the N30 part of the bypass.
    The new Centra/Filling station is already open and was told there's plans for a McDonald's there too.
    Land near the Finchogue interchange is also under the ownership of developers too although objections are holding up one development of "luxury homes".


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    #1530
    loyatemu
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    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    Just as an aside,site prep is underway for the bones of 1000 houses near the Monart Interchange on the N30 part of the bypass.

    "just 1 hour from Dublin"


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    #1531
    Reuben1210
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭Reuben1210


    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    Just as an aside,site prep is underway for the bones of 1000 houses near the Monart Interchange on the N30 part of the bypass.
    The new Centra/Filling station is already open and was told there's plans for a McDonald's there too.
    Land near the Finchogue interchange is also under the ownership of developers too although objections are holding up one development of "luxury homes".

    Is there permission for this? Do you have a source?


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