Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

randombar · 18-01-2019 8:50pm

Thinking of getting the zappi and maybe Eddi. Is there any alternatives? Would prefer something more web based and open source.

unkel · 18-01-2019 9:37pm

GaryCocs wrote: »

Is there any alternatives? Would prefer something more web based and open source.

OpenEVSE - n97 mini assembled and installed one himself. He has a few threads about it. Should be right up your sleeve.

randombar · 18-01-2019 9:46pm

unkel wrote: »

OpenEVSE - n97 mini assembled and installed one himself. He has a few threads about it. Should be right up your sleeve.

Would definitely love to give that a go. Time is the only issue there unfortunately.

Justin10 · 19-01-2019 2:20pm

I'm looking at importing a 2014 outlander, am I egible for a grant for a home charger?

denismc · 19-01-2019 2:25pm

Rochey18 wrote: »

I'm looking at importing a 2014 outlander, am I egible for a grant for a home charger?

From the SEAI
"You can avail of the grant if you have bought a new or second hand electric car that was bought in Ireland or privately imported from 2018 onwards."
so yes you can apply, just make sure you get approval in writing first, takes lees than a week if you apply online.

randombar · 20-01-2019 2:10pm

I've a charge point up for sale on adverts if anyone is interested:

https://www.adverts.ie/other/7kw-car-chargepoint/17127647

Came with the car.

Need to get the zappi myself as I have PV panels.

Nedved85 · 20-01-2019 2:43pm

GaryCocs wrote: »

I've a charge point up for sale on adverts if anyone is interested:

https://www.adverts.ie/other/7kw-car-chargepoint/17127647

Came with the car.

Need to get the zappi myself as I have PV panels.

I wonder is it possible to buy a second hand charger and use the grant ?..

slave1 · 20-01-2019 2:58pm

What's gone wrong with these Chargepoints, I bought a Podpoint 7kW (non WiFi) brand new for £150 last year, they seem to have doubled + in price this last year or so, honestly, these subsidies just get wasted when the manufacturer's just hike prices like this once they see grants in place

Gumbo · 20-01-2019 3:04pm

Nedved85 wrote: »

I wonder is it possible to buy a second hand charger and use the grant ?..

Yes.

As the grant pays out on the electricians cert of install. No proof of purchase for the charger is required.

KCross · 20-01-2019 3:53pm

kceire wrote: »

Yes.

As the grant pays out on the electricians cert of install. No proof of purchase for the charger is required.

But I would assume they will only pay out upto €600 based on receipts provided. I presume they wont just give you a cheque for €600 if the spark puts his paperwork in at €200 and you have no receipt for a s/h charger?

slave1 · 20-01-2019 6:09pm

KCross wrote: »

But I would assume they will only pay out upto €600 based on receipts provided. I presume they wont just give you a cheque for €600 if the spark puts his paperwork in at €200 and you have no receipt for a s/h charger?

If it's paperwork they're after (to "tick" the boxes) then just write out a 2nd hand "invoice" with an illegible signature and an amount that works for you

randombar · 20-01-2019 8:43pm

slave1 wrote: »

If it's paperwork they're after (to "tick" the boxes) then just write out a 2nd hand "invoice" with an illegible signature and an amount that works for you

I could supply a receipt if needed anyways. Not sure if that makes a difference to anyone.

Gile_na_gile · 20-01-2019 11:35pm

slave1 wrote: »

What's gone wrong with these Chargepoints, I bought a Podpoint 7kW (non WiFi) brand new for £150 last year, they seem to have doubled + in price this last year or so, honestly, these subsidies just get wasted when the manufacturer's just hike prices like this once they see grants in place

So, all, is there any alternative this year to the Zappi? I would like to the put PV on the roof, but won't have cash for several years. I also have an electric shower, in use at 7-8am, so like the fact that Zappi means no need for a priority switch according to what others have said.

Best means of lowering to grant amount or 800 EUR without expertise? I won't be running any cables myself, realistically. The existing meter is in usual easy spot to side of front door in hall with space for charger on other external side, single phase unit from 2006 installed.

Mickeroo · 21-01-2019 10:52am

Apologies if this has been asked before but does the electrician doing the install have to be registered with SEAI or could I just get my regular electrician to do it? (I can't seem to find a list of electricians on the SEAI site anyway).

TheChizler · 21-01-2019 11:03am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked before but does the electrician doing the install have to be registered with SEAI or could I just get my regular electrician to do it? (I can't seem to find a list of electricians on the SEAI site anyway).

They have to be SAFE Electric registered.

Mickeroo · 21-01-2019 11:07am

TheChizler wrote: »

They have to be SAFE Electric registered.

Perfect thanks, looks like my regular fella is already on the list.

Ush1 · 21-01-2019 1:40pm

How long did it take for you guys to get the grant money from the SEAI?

I sent in forms before xmas and still waiting. Emailed and they said they are waiting on approval from Safe Electric.

DesperateDan · 21-01-2019 4:11pm

Couple people on FB saying 4 - 6 weeks (4 at least)

ELM327 · 21-01-2019 4:20pm

Mine was about 7 weeks from memory.

daheff · 22-01-2019 10:55am

Tesla just announced a car charger unit that can be plugged into your domestic sockets US -sockets

seems to be some issues around it drawing 50amps, but only passing on 40amps.

stimpson · 22-01-2019 11:01am

daheff wrote: »

Tesla just announced a car charger unit that can be plugged into your domestic sockets US -sockets

seems to be some issues around it drawing 50amps, but only passing on 40amps.

That’s probably just the laws of physics. There will be some losses in the transformer. Note that 50amps in the US is around the same wattage as a charger here drawing 25amps as the voltage is 110V (power = voltage * current).

unkel · 22-01-2019 1:27pm

Oh wow. Tesla just announced a new granny cable

Killed · 22-01-2019 1:33pm

Does anyone have experience of going with Electric Ireland. I see they're advertising a home charge point installed for €149 nett of the grant.

unkel · 22-01-2019 1:54pm

Killed wrote: »

Does anyone have experience of going with Electric Ireland. I see they're advertising a home charge point installed for €149 nett of the grant.

Yeah, it's the reliable German made ABL unit they install. Beware that they install it configured as a 3.6kW charger. If you can get them to use 6mm2 cable and a 40A RCBO for that money, it's a reasonable proposition (from a big, well established company)

You can then hook it up to your laptop and program it to be a 7.2kW charger. Pretty straight forward (I did it myself)

Or just buy a second hand 7.2kW charger and have your local sparks hook it up. Should be done within the €600 mark, so completely free to you...

TheChizler · 22-01-2019 2:05pm

stimpson wrote: »

That’s probably just the laws of physics. There will be some losses in the transformer. Note that 50amps in the US is around the same wattage as a charger here drawing 25amps as the voltage is 110V (power = voltage * current).

I doubt there's a 10 kW transformer in there. Any of these home chargers are just glorified switches! Either there's a problem where the current isn't being reported correctly or these are going to start melting... Or someone's just misinterpreting something.

stimpson · 22-01-2019 2:24pm

TheChizler wrote: »

I doubt there's a 10 kW transformer in there. Any of these home chargers are just glorified switches! Either there's a problem where the current isn't being reported correctly or these are going to start melting... Or someone's just misinterpreting something.

You’re probably right. It probably just draws 40A from a 50A socket.

Gile_na_gile · 22-01-2019 2:52pm

Killed wrote: »

Does anyone have experience of going with Electric Ireland. I see they're advertising a home charge point installed for €149 nett of the grant.

You could probably ask them what price they charge with regard to need for a priority switch, and how much extra for simple work of increasing to 6m and 40A RCBO since the charger does both: 3,7 kW · 16 A · single phase / 7,2 kW · 32 A · single phase.

https://www.abl.de/en/products/emobility/wallbox-emh1.php

Perhaps they will throw it all in to win over a new bill-paying customer or not ask a whole lot more.

Killed · 22-01-2019 3:48pm

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

You could probably ask them what price they charge with regard to need for a priority switch, and how much extra for simple work of increasing to 6m and 40A RCBO since the charger does both: 3,7 kW · 16 A · single phase / 7,2 kW · 32 A · single phase.

https://www.abl.de/en/products/emobility/wallbox-emh1.php

Perhaps they will throw it all in to win over a new bill-paying customer or not ask a whole lot more.

Was onto them, says it's €149.00 all in after grant. They're going to rolling out a new more powerful charger in April so may be worth waiting till then.

runner2011 · 23-01-2019 9:39pm

Sorry if this has been posted / answered elsewhere. Going for a PHEV and looking to get the electric ireland install for €149 (after grant), the guy on the phone today confused me... I asked if they can wire from the external wall recessed meter box or do they have to come into the house to the fuse board. He said both but they don't drill through walls...... cough cough, he wasn't an engineer. My preference is that its wired from the meter box as we just had external insulation put on and I don't fancy them drilling through to get the fuse board. Meter & box is 2 years old so new...can that be done?

stimpson · 23-01-2019 10:15pm

runner2011 wrote: »

Sorry if this has been posted / answered elsewhere. Going for a PHEV and looking to get the electric ireland install for €149 (after grant), the guy on the phone today confused me... I asked if they can wire from the external wall recessed meter box or do they have to come into the house to the fuse board. He said both but they don't drill through walls...... cough cough, he wasn't an engineer. My preference is that its wired from the meter box as we just had external insulation put on and I don't fancy them drilling through to get the fuse board. Meter & box is 2 years old so new...can that be done?

It has to be done from the fuse board as it needs to have a circuit breaker. It may be possible to route it back through your meter box and fit it that way, but the lad on the phone won’t know. You’ll need to talk to the engineer when he comes out.

Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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