Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

1…1314161819…39

Comments

  • #452
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,350 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Typical reaction from the liberal left, if they don't like an opinion instead of debating the issue with them just try and get the person removed form the programme.


    Once again - it's not about 'not liking the opinion' - it is about the danger of bringing in a comedy writer to speak about a sensitive issue in which he has no expertise or experience.

    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    There has only been like 10 sex changes per year over the last 6 years making the pool of people "experts" extremely limited what you suggest isn't being realistic sounds like you want to find someone who did their thesis on transgenders.
    In fairness, Prime Time managed to find a fair selection of experts, some medical and some others, and a few people with direct experience - along with the comedy writer.

    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    This is laughable seriously all you've shown here is a complete lack of understanding of censorship not only that your understanding of insane seems well out of sync.

    You seem to be of the opinion that having him censored on RTE is in fact not censoring because there's Twitter,video and article publishing available? Good man yourself!

    Hasn't the 'good man' thing got a little old now? Anyway, can I complain to Prime Time now about how they censored me by not having me on the show? Because that's what they did by not sharing my opinions with the national audience, right?
    yosser hughes wrote: »
    You have a very simplistic grasp of the issues and indeed the consequences

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/
    Has this any relevance for Ireland?
    Cockford Ollie wrote: »
    People complain saying Graham Lenihan has no expertise on the topic so therefore should not have an opinion.

    They will be interviewing trans people. What qualified expertise do they have?

    If you get treatment for a heart condition, like a coronary artery bypass, do you become a qualified surgeon?
    The trans people involve have direct experience of the matter. Linehan is welcome to have his opinion - he's not welcome to broadcast it in serious news show, where they have a duty to be fair and accurate.
    Cockford Ollie wrote: »
    My mental health health is being damaged by transgender community. They want to force onto me that I'm supposed to identify them as a gender of their choosing.

    Also didn't you get the memo, gender dysphoria is not a mental health issue. Can some leftist moderator please ban this offensive ignorant poster please.
    It's awful, isn't it? Imagine being expected not to be rude and offensive to people. Must be so hard.
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It's not "might" though, it's that many people have and will take advantage. It's what predators do, look for weaknesses and loopholes to exploit . It would be nice to spare a thought for the people who may be effected by such laws, especially vulnerable people such as children, prisoners or abuse victims. There has to be a better solution that will accommodate everyone.

    Wanting to talk about these things and discuss issues that have arisen as a result is not hate.
    'many people have and will taken advantage' - we have a tiny number of cases arising internationally, which make up a tiny, tiny percentage of sexual assaults on women by men - but it's getting an awful lot of attention round here. What is the obsession on this tiny issue all about?

    Uncharted wrote: »
    That's neither here nor there. That person is an adult. The key word being ADULT. Free to do as they wish and the best of luck to them.

    My issue is kids having gender reassignment.
    That's just absolutely crazy.


    You realise that NOT providing appropriate support for children can, in some cases, cause extreme pain, and can result in deaths by suicide.
    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    Trying to explain all this to the parents is most amusing.

    “And what the feck is a non-binary?”
    Did they not listen to the fairly clear explanation given on the show?
    statesaver wrote: »
    Autism, there ya go
    What do you mean?
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    This is off the wall stuff try and help fix their minds first before they mess with their bodies permanently
    You seem to have missed the key issue about why their minds are (to use your term) messed up.
    James1888 wrote: »
    Good people, please have a look and see what is happening in America with children being allowed to transition. Please check out this poor boy on youtube called desmondisamazing and look at what happens when you do this to children. This young boy is being paraded round gay bars doing dragshows with grown middle age men throwing dollars at him, and also the people that are behind these henous thing, 1 man being Michael alig a convicted murderer that interviews these poor children. There is people behind this agenda that have sinister motives for their personal fetish. I have no problem with gay people or transgender people, but I believe that men and women girls and boys should not be allowed to transition until there 25 until there brains are fully devolopers.
    And again, we have very unusual, extreme cases of no relevance to the Irish scenario being dragged in to justify causing extreme pain by witholding support and treatment, contrary to every bit of professional advice from every expert in the field.
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Maybe they would have. But fewer women's prisons have facilities for particularly violent or dangerous offenders. I'd imagine women would be more at risk though, perhaps in different ways. they aren't going to get fellow inmates pregnant in a men's prison are they?
    The prison issue is a non-issue in Ireland, following the statement from the Irish Prison service quoted in the show.
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Eh...surely even one case is too many? (And I've heard of at least 3 and another in Scotland where female prison guards were forced to do strip searches on a male who identifies as a woman) Women in prison should not be locked up with a male who has convictions for raping and assaulting women, or any male for that matter. I've yet to hear of a trans man demanding to be housed in a male prison, I wonder why that is?
    So the 'one case is too many' logic applies to the plumber in Texas too, right? We need new laws to protect women against plumbers, presumably?


  • #453
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    The person with the dog(who was born female), couldn’t really have imagined them as a female; they looked happy out.

    There are genuine cases.


  • #454
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    Only in the 'progressive' west do liberals demand that men be allowed into women's spaces.


  • #455
    Luke Ripe Ginseng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Luke Ripe Ginseng


    statesaver wrote: »
    That’s sad. Not on Twitter myself but I’d imagine all 62 of them are outraged :pac:

    Colm o Gorman is having his meltdown.


  • #456
    ceebee1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭ceebee1981


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No but it allows people to challenge why they might be in facilities of the wrong gender or make them think twice about taking the chance. In the UK most sexual assaults in facilities like that take place in unisex ones. It's all about opportunity

    Where are you pulling that statistic from?


  • Advertisement
  • #457
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Yer man with his gender non-binary, annoys the ****e out of me pick one or the other.

    It definitely looks like the big fear from the trans group are actually the current medical professionals and the gatekeeping of psychiatrists.

    I wonder what proposals the current government have planned.


  • #458
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Yer man with his gender non-binary, annoys the ****e out of me pick one or the other.

    I have no issue with and respect transgender people. It's entirely possible that they could have been born in the wrong body, in my mind but this non-binary stuff is a step too far for me.


  • #459
    Sonic Youth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 193 ✭✭Sonic Youth


    According to RTE 50 or so losers were protesting outside the studio.


  • #460
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    People protesting against Graham Linehan appearing, but they have no problem with the doctor from the Tavistock institute appearing. He earns his living transitioning people, including kids against other medical advice. But Graham Linehan is the dodgy contributor!

    People need to cop on here and look at the cause they are blindly supporting.


  • #461
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So the 'one case is too many' logic applies to the plumber in Texas too, right? We need new laws to protect women against plumbers, presumably?

    Jaysus you really have it in for the poor ould plumbers ya big plumberist ya.


  • Advertisement
  • #462
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,892 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Sonic Youth wrote: »
    According to RTE 50 or so losers were protesting outside the studio.

    Dxi7C0DWoAATutn?format=jpg&name=large


  • #463
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,350 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Why do we not let someone vote until they are 18 yet are facilitating these life changing decisions by those under 18?
    Probably because of the immense pain involved in not doing anything until someone reaches an arbitrary age.

    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I might have misunderstood the mother from Wexford but she said something along the lines of she asked her kid was he gay around the end of primary school because he was a little different.
    I was a little different and had lots of different likes/interests at that age compared to my peers but my mother never asked me was I gay.
    Do you think maybe that you were different in a different way to the Wexford lad was different?
    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Indeed, but I dont want to be sitting here in a decade or two with a primetime special on, with women / men asking why was I allowed remove my perfectly healthy reproductive organs? and Im now on medicine for life?
    How about the 2050 Prime Time special with teens who continued to be bullied and abused because they weren't able to live the life they choose?

    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Heather making very good point about the changing rooms. Kinda scary actually.
    But funny how these 'scary' situations haven't come up here in the two years since self-identification became legal here - you'd almost have to think that maybe somebody was stirring it up.
    statesaver wrote: »
    That’s it ? Why the fúck were people saying, shouting, screaming that Greham Linehan get kicked off the show ? The man spoke sense.
    'sense' as in comparing transgender kids to people with bulemia?
    sabat wrote: »
    "under new proposals?"
    Where are these coming from? Very mysterious that they didn't even mention it. I'm going to guess it's originating from the 'Zappone Complex' but they don't want to put a name to it yet-hence this kite flying exercise.
    You need to keep guessing.
    Calhoun wrote: »
    That's how censorship works, he has been judges to have wrong think on this subject so has to be shut down.
    Though interestingly enough, there was no shut down - and even if he hadn't been on Prime Time, he still wouldn't have been shut down.
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No but it allows people to challenge why they might be in facilities of the wrong gender or make them think twice about taking the chance. In the UK most sexual assaults in facilities like that take place in unisex ones. It's all about opportunity
    People can challenge anyone causing danger anytime, in Ireland or the UK. Or they can withdraw from a situation that they're not comfortable with.

    And none of those issues have arisen in the two years since self-identification here?
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    That guy at the end who wanted to do a survey of people who regretted going down this road and the college warned him off

    Sinister times we live in
    If you know anything about how research ethics committees work, it's not sinister at all. It would be really interesting to hear the college's side of things.


  • #464
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Once again - it's not about 'not liking the opinion' - it is about the danger of bringing in a comedy writer to speak about a sensitive issue in which he has no expertise or experience.



    In fairness, Prime Time managed to find a fair selection of experts, some medical and some others, and a few people with direct experience - along with the comedy writer.




    Hasn't the 'good man' thing got a little old now? Anyway, can I complain to Prime Time now about how they censored me by not having me on the show? Because that's what they did by not sharing my opinions with the national audience, right?


    Has this any relevance for Ireland?

    The trans people involve have direct experience of the matter. Linehan is welcome to have his opinion - he's not welcome to broadcast it in serious news show, where they have a duty to be fair and accurate.


    It's awful, isn't it? Imagine being expected not to be rude and offensive to people. Must be so hard.

    'many people have and will taken advantage' - we have a tiny number of cases arising internationally, which make up a tiny, tiny percentage of sexual assaults on women by men - but it's getting an awful lot of attention round here. What is the obsession on this tiny issue all about?





    You realise that NOT providing appropriate support for children can, in some cases, cause extreme pain, and can result in deaths by suicide.


    Did they not listen to the fairly clear explanation given on the show?

    What do you mean?

    You seem to have missed the key issue about why their minds are (to use your term) messed up.

    And again, we have very unusual, extreme cases of no relevance to the Irish scenario being dragged in to justify causing extreme pain by witholding support and treatment, contrary to every bit of professional advice from every expert in the field.

    The prison issue is a non-issue in Ireland, following the statement from the Irish Prison service quoted in the show.

    So the 'one case is too many' logic applies to the plumber in Texas too, right? We need new laws to protect women against plumbers, presumably?

    A lot of the kids who have gender dysphoria have autism


  • #465
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,731 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    satstheway wrote: »
    Teen years are bad enough (image and all) and then one day a parent asks you ARE YOU GAY.
    FFS. Why not hand them a rope.
    What the hell is wrong with a parent/parents asking there child are they gay? My parents asked me when I was 18, hand them a rope!?! What are you on about.

    I have no issue with anyone who is an adult living their lives in whatever gender they see fit.

    I as a gay man find it difficult to get my head around the whole gender fluid, genderless area, but hey that's my issue not theres.


  • #466
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Chaya Icy Underwear wrote: »
    Colm o Gorman is having his meltdown.

    Along with Una Mullally, Ruth Coppinger, Donal O’Keeffe, Jennifer whateverhernameis.

    Fun times


  • #467
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,892 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Do you think maybe that you were different in a different way to the Wexford lad was different?
    /quote]

    I'd have being considered very different to the norm when I was in 6th class for a teenage lad.
    The programs I'd have liked may for being considered a bit feminine and I wasn't sporty but none of my family every questioned this. They just took it I was that way.


  • #468
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,350 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    satstheway wrote: »
    Teen years are bad enough (image and all) and then one day a parent asks you ARE YOU GAY.
    FFS. Why not hand them a rope.
    Why would a parent not have an open conversation with their child?

    conorhal wrote: »
    Could this new clinical growth industry, which is drenched in activist raised money, also partly explain the sudden growth in diagnoses?
    Tell us more about this 'industry' please? There was one clinic mentioned in the show - is there a whole industry here that we're not aware of? And where is all this drenching money coming from and going to - some specifics would be great?

    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Something very Stasi like with trying to shut down the debate. Get people not to watch Primetime and protests outside by LabourYouth.

    Regardless of your opinion it is an issue that has the right to be donated and people want and need to be informed.
    Wouldn't it be great to be informed by people who have experience or expertise, as opposed to comedy writers?
    Calhoun wrote: »
    Yer man with his gender non-binary, annoys the ****e out of me pick one or the other.
    Berserker wrote: »
    I have no issue with and respect transgender people. It's entirely possible that they could have been born in the wrong body, in my mind but this non-binary stuff is a step too far for me.


    These are really strange reactions - why do you need to force other people to conform with your conventions? Why do you give a toss about what they do?


    Dante7 wrote: »
    People protesting against Graham Linehan appearing, but they have no problem with the doctor from the Tavistock institute appearing. He earns his living transitioning people, including kids against other medical advice. But Graham Linehan is the dodgy contributor!

    People need to cop on here and look at the cause they are blindly supporting.
    I'm not sure that you listened closely. There is no-one transitioning kids against medical advice.
    Gravelly wrote: »
    Jaysus you really have it in for the poor ould plumbers ya big plumberist ya.
    My irony meter just exploded.


  • #469
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,731 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Yer man with his gender non-binary, annoys the ****e out of me pick one or the other.
    Why would that annoy you? Maybe the issue is yours not theirs? Who the hell cares what way an adult wants to live their life, what business is it of yours? What harm are they doing to you?


  • #470
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,350 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    statesaver wrote: »
    A lot of the kids who have gender dysphoria have autism
    So what? What is the significance of this for you?

    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Do you think maybe that you were different in a different way to the Wexford lad was different?

    I'd have being considered very different to the norm when I was in 6th class for a teenage lad.
    The programs I'd have liked may for being considered a bit feminine and I wasn't sporty but none of my family every questioned this. They just took it I was that way.
    So do you think maybe that you were different in a different way to the Wexford lad was different?


  • #471
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    gmisk wrote: »
    Why would that annoy you? Maybe the issue is yours not theirs? Who the hell cares what way an adult wants to live their life, what business is it of yours? What harm are they doing to you?

    Well they want to target kids as young as 12 with some fairly ****ed up drugs, also want to remove psychiatrist from the whole process before getting to this.

    So I'd say the harm is to society overall.

    I'd also go and far as saying their limited grasp of biology is dangerous when having an opinion on this subject.


  • Advertisement
  • #472
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I thought it was good overall and Graham Linehan added some balance to it. Disappointed the promised debate never materialised.

    Very interesting that there is an explosion in girls wanting to transition. Wonder why that is? I think mass hysteria could be a reason, or a backlash against the ridiculous Instagram culture that is almost exclusively the preserve of teenage girls. But I'm just spitballing here.

    I would be dead against medical intervention for kids younger than 18 but identifying as the other gender I'd have no issue with.


  • #473
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    ceebee1981 wrote: »
    Where are you pulling that statistic from?

    The original full article is behind a paywall but here is another report referencing it
    The vast majority of reported sexual assaults at public swimming pools in the UK take place in unisex changing rooms, new statistics reveal.

    The data, obtained through a Freedom of Information request by the Sunday Times, suggests that unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women and girls than single-sex facilities

    Just under 90 per cent of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment are about incidents in unisex facilities

    What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms.

    Of 134 complaints over 2017-2018, 120 reported incidents took place in gender-neutral changing rooms and just 14 were in single-sex changing areas.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html


  • #474
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,731 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Well they want to target kids as young as 12 with some fairly ****ed up drugs, also want to remove psychiatrist from the whole process before getting to this.

    So I'd say the harm is to society overall.
    They?!? Who are they? non binary people? Lumping non binary people into one big group is bizarre, your making them all sound like the bloody childcatcher.
    I specifically said adults as you well know.
    Why are you so pissed off at how an adult chooses to live their life?
    Do you also hate gay people? Bi people? Sure would they not pick one gender to fancy?!?

    So you are saying non binary people are harming society? How so exactly?


  • #475
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Berserker wrote:
    I have no issue with and respect transgender people. It's entirely possible that they could have been born in the wrong body, in my mind but this non-binary stuff is a step too far for me.

    You cant be born in the wrong body. Like you cant be born in the wrong country. Or the wrong race.

    The English feminist (i already feel dirty for agreeing with her) is right. You can get the procedure but if you are born a man you are a man no matter what you look like.

    I am a man. I have different organs and medical needs to a woman. Pretending it doesnt matter is absolutely ridiculous. This is not a religious or homophobic view. Its a scientific one.


  • #476
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did IT support for a global company around 12/13 years ago. Got a ticket in one day to to change a first name and as a result a user name and email to match.

    Obvious male to female change even though the names were Dutch. It raised an eye brow for sure as in it's the last thing you'd expect to be doing but when I phoned her to let her know I was making the changes I congratulated her, it was all I could think to say she cried down the phone and thanked me profusely telling me it was the last thing left of her male life.

    Fast forward to today and the bull**** I see around this issue is unreal, and thanks to social media as usual it has all the wrong kinds of people attached to it making the most noise. There is debate to be had for sure but not like it's being had here and elsewhere.


  • #477
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    professore wrote:
    I would be dead against medical intervention for kids younger than 18 but identifying as the other gender I'd have no issue with.


    The problem is legal identification can allow the medical intervention to happen abroad.

    When your 18 do what you want whether i agree or not. But before then it should never be even entertained.


  • #478
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    gmisk wrote: »
    Why would that annoy you? Maybe the issue is yours not theirs? Who the hell cares what way an adult wants to live their life, what business is it of yours? What harm are they doing to you?

    There’s plenty of harm in self identification for biological women. As for the gender fluid, morons worth laughing at.

    They also contradict trans ideology (people are born or trapped in the wrong body). Or biology for that matter. Or gender as a social construct.

    And how would we legislate for fluidity? Would it be two passports? Or twenty?


  • #479
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    Fast forward to today and the bull**** I see around this issue is unreal, and thanks to social media as usual it has all the wrong kinds of people attached to it making the most noise. There is debate to be had for sure but not like it's being had here and elsewhere.

    Well said. It's taken on as a cause celebre by certain types that want to virtue signal their progressive nature to the world. Makes it harder for transgender people instead of easier.


  • #480
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,892 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So what? What is the significance of this for you?



    So do you think maybe that you were different in a different way to the Wexford lad was different?

    Well in my opinion it was all very suggestive from the parents/family.
    It was like x is a little different so let's label him.


  • Advertisement
  • #481
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    gmisk wrote: »
    They?!? Who are they? non binary people? Lumping non binary people into one big group is bizarre, your making them sound like the bloody childcatcher.
    I specifically said adults as you well know.
    Why are you so pissed off at how an adult chooses to live their life?
    Do you also hate gay people? Bi people? Sure would they not pick one gender to fancy?!?

    They as in the trans people on the program advocating for children as young as 12 to self identify and to remove psychiatrists from the equation. I wouldn't quite call them the child catcher but fairly predatory alright.

    Adults can decide how they want to live its up to them to do what they want. I would think most have an issue with the Trans conversation wading into the area of children.

    Now now trying to strawman, you must be mad.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement