Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

thee glitz · 09-01-2019 12:06AM

gctest50 wrote: »

I myself wouldn't leave my kid alone with such a rabid Pro-life individual of any gender

And I wouldn't leave my child alone with someone who promotes a liberal abortion regime, but sure there you go.

8-10 · 09-01-2019 12:34AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I was out one day, I was at a fair. It was a day out for kids. I met the yes campaigners and told them that I'd be voting yes but that I was very unhappy to see them set up at a kids event because kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff imo. Now they didn't agree with me at first but they had a chat amongst themselves and packed up and moved on. So we go around the area and then head for a public park which was adjacent to and part of the fair. I meet the no campaigners and start telling them they shouldn't be doing this in front of kids.

Hmm....you went out to the fair and met campaigners from both sides

but you also avoided the campaigners completely and ended up not getting informed....

eagle eye wrote: »

I avoided the campaigners, I had to vote to repeal the law that was in place. I had no idea that there was something as part of the vote to replace it.
A big error on my part.

volchitsa · 09-01-2019 09:44AM

thee glitz wrote: »

And I wouldn't leave my child alone with someone who promotes a liberal abortion regime, but sure there you go.

Very sensible, seeing how the liberal ideology pushing for legal abortion has such a terrible record of covering up for child sex abusers in its midst.

Oh wait, no. That's the prolife side. :eek:

frag420 · 09-01-2019 06:44PM

thee glitz wrote: »

And I wouldn't leave my child alone with someone who promotes a liberal abortion regime, but sure there you go.

So what school will you be sending your kids(if you have any or intend to have) to?

Will you be interviewing all the teachers to make sure they hold the same beliefs as you?

And before you say you will send them to a school with a catholic/Christian ethos I can tell you I know several teachers in such schools that hold very liberal ideas around abortion.

paw patrol · 09-01-2019 07:22PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Very sensible, seeing how the liberal ideology pushing for legal abortion has such a terrible record of covering up for child sex abusers in its midst.

Oh wait, no. That's the prolife side. :eek:

how did you make that leap?

did you assume all pro life are catholic? lame assumption

thee glitz · 09-01-2019 07:51PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Very sensible, seeing how the liberal ideology pushing for legal abortion has such a terrible record of covering up for child sex abusers in its midst.

Oh wait, no. That's the prolife side. :eek:

Is conflating pro-lifers with covering up child sex abuse not on the banned list here? I'm not talking about records, but people who think that abortion for no need is fine vs those who can proportionately reason their own freedom against the rights of others.

frag420 wrote: »

So what school will you be sending your kids(if you have any or intend to have) to?

Will you be interviewing all the teachers to make sure they hold the same beliefs as you?

And before you say you will send them to a school with a catholic/Christian ethos I can tell you I know several teachers in such schools that hold very liberal ideas around abortion.

They'll go to the local school, it's grand. No, I won't be interviewing the teachers, though I guess I'll meet some. Sure I know a few of them. They're probably Garda vetted and wouldn't be there long if not being professional. Of course, kids generally aren't alone at school anyway.

They can have their views all they like once they're a good teacher in school.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 09-01-2019 10:50PM

thee glitz wrote: »

And I wouldn't leave my child alone with someone who promotes a liberal abortion regime, but sure there you go.

That’s a lot of people, going by the referendum results. If you have school age children, they might have teachers that fall under that category.

AndrewJRenko · 09-01-2019 11:25PM

thee glitz wrote: »

And I wouldn't leave my child alone with someone who promotes a liberal abortion regime, but sure there you go.

Would you leave your child alone with anyone?

thee glitz · 09-01-2019 11:27PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That’s a lot of people, going by the referendum results. If you have school age children, they might have teachers that fall under that category.

In fairness, the vote to introduce a liberal regime was tied to providing an abortion service where actually required - no one without the other.
Deducing how many people hold such an opinion is still an exercise in speculation.

The state should be employing suitable teachers only - I trust they have checks and controls to ensure this.

thee glitz · 09-01-2019 11:30PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Would you leave your child alone with anyone?

Some people, not just anyone.

AndrewJRenko · 09-01-2019 11:54PM

thee glitz wrote: »

Some people, not just anyone.

Who would you leave your child alone with, outside of immediate family?

thee glitz · 10-01-2019 12:26AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Who would you leave your child alone with, outside of immediate family?

Friends, maybe babysitters someday. Tutors perhaps. What would be of more concern is someone who looks after my child for several hours on a repeated basis.

ohnonotgmail · 10-01-2019 11:02AM

thee glitz wrote: »

Friends, maybe babysitters someday. Tutors perhaps. What would be of more concern is someone who looks after my child for several hours on a repeated basis.

presumably you ask them all to recite the rosary to confirm their religious credentials?

SusieBlue · 10-01-2019 11:33AM

In fairness I don't think the beliefs of the teacher (at primary school level, at least) have any relevance, because I don't expect teachers of that age group to be discussing such issues with the children.

Whether they are pro-choice or pro-life isn't important to me so long as they aren't imposing their opinion (whichever it is) on the kids and influencing their thoughts.
Abortion is not something young children need to be thinking or worrying about. If parents choose to educate their children on such issues that is their prerogative but I would object to schools having any kind of authority on that kind of information, for that age group.
I wouldn't find it acceptable for the matter to be discussed in an educational setting at primary school level at all.

Secondary school children are a completely different matter, because abortion will be part of their sex education and I have no objections to that.

....... · 10-01-2019 11:34AM

thee glitz wrote: »

And I wouldn't leave my child alone with someone who promotes a liberal abortion regime, but sure there you go.

How are you going to avoid that seeing as a majority of people in the country are are pro a liberal abortion regime?

From school through sports groups through doctors, dentists, friends, parents of friends, child minders etc....

Will it not be very very difficult to avoid?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 10-01-2019 12:59PM

thee glitz wrote: »

In fairness, the vote to introduce a liberal regime was tied to providing an abortion service where actually required - no one without the other.
Deducing how many people hold such an opinion is still an exercise in speculation.

The state should be employing suitable teachers only - I trust they have checks and controls to ensure this.

They should indeed. And I can’t see why a teacher who supports liberal abortion laws wouldn’t pass the checks and controls. Indeed, I doubt they’d be asked about it. If supporting liberal abortion laws was a problem, well, nobody can know how the teaching candidate voted. They don’t actually have to tell the truth there seeing as it can’t be disproved.

So yeah, if you have children, there’s a good chance they will have teaching who support the abortion laws we now have in place.

uptherebels · 10-01-2019 01:03PM

thee glitz wrote: »

In fairness, the vote to introduce a liberal regime was tied to providing an abortion service where actually required - no one without the other.
Deducing how many people hold such an opinion is still an exercise in speculation.

The state should be employing suitable teachers only - I trust they have checks and controls to ensure this.

The only way to provide the abortions that were required was to being in a "liberal" regime.

AndrewJRenko · 10-01-2019 02:05PM

thee glitz wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Who would you leave your child alone with, outside of immediate family?

Friends, maybe babysitters someday. Tutors perhaps. What would be of more concern is someone who looks after my child for several hours on a repeated basis.

I'd never leave a child alone with a teen or adult. Maybe a group of kids together is OK, but not alone.

Any half-decent tutor or teacher will protect themselves by making sure they are not alone with a child. They will use open doors or other staff to avoid this.

10-01-2019 09:25PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'd never leave a child alone with a teen or adult. Maybe a group of kids together is OK, but not alone.

Any half-decent tutor or teacher will protect themselves by making sure they are not alone with a child. They will use open doors or other staff to avoid this.

For teachers its standard operating procedure to have another member of staff present when talking to a single pupil, and when not possible have the door open and be in clear view of anyone in the corridor. It was drummed into my other half when doing her hdip, among other things such as maintaining personal space and that a classroom is not a soapbox for your personal beliefs.

iguana · 10-01-2019 10:45PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Abortion is not something young children need to be thinking or worrying about. If parents choose to educate their children on such issues that is their prerogative

Unfortunately that choice was removed from a lot of us last year when posters featuring foetal images and photos of babies were hung up outside our homes, schools, parks, etc (often low enough to be face level with a child) with words like 'murder' and 'kill' featuring prominently. A lot of conversations were forced on families far earlier than most of us would have chosen. Which was, I suspect, the intent.

RobertKK · 12-01-2019 11:55AM

A lot of the experts in the health sector refuse to carry out abortions it seems as they conscientiously object to abortion.

https://twitter.com/thetimesie/status/1083653225406976000?s=21

Call me Al · 12-01-2019 12:06PM

RobertKK wrote: »

A lot of the experts in the health sector refuse to carry out abortions it seems as they conscientiously object to abortion.

https://twitter.com/thetimesie/status/1083653225406976000?s=21

Who is claiming these professionals have conscientious objections?
The article is behind a paywall so we can't carve out the details beyond that first paragraph.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 12-01-2019 12:23PM

Oh my God I know one of the guys in that picture, worked with him years ago and he made quite an impression I must say! So, apparently he's still mental...

RobertKK · 12-01-2019 12:38PM

10 out of 19 hospitals not carrying out abortions.

From the article

“You need a certain core number of people willing to do those procedures, and also nursing staff willing to assist. In some hospitals, that has been difficult because not everybody is happy,”

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 12-01-2019 12:47PM

RobertKK wrote: »

10 out of 19 hospitals not carrying out abortions.

From the article

Can you post the paragraph where it says that's because of frontline staff's conscientious objection to abortion and not because of lack of training, lack of equipment, overcrowding, obstructionism from hospital boards dominated by religious orders etc please thanks

Few weeks in and half the hospitals ARE providing this new, serious, surgical procedure, seems good to me.

Guy:Incognito · 12-01-2019 12:49PM

What other medical procedures can staff picks and choose about? If a small hospital ends up with a few jehovahs witness doctors, can they let people die if they need a transfusion?

Call me Al · 12-01-2019 01:03PM

RobertKK wrote: »

10 out of 19 hospitals not carrying out abortions.

From the article

We can all see that.
But i asked you to quote who says it's due to conscientious objection.
It's still behind a paywall so we can't delve into your claim, so right now it's just a headline without any substance.

RobertKK · 12-01-2019 01:13PM

Call me Al wrote: »

We can all see that.
But i asked you to quote who says it's due to conscientious objection.
It's still behind a paywall so we can't delve into your claim, so right it's just a headline without any substance.

So of the 95% of doctors who did not become abortionists, none are conscientious objectors?

Call me Al · 12-01-2019 01:17PM

RobertKK wrote: »

So of the 95% of doctors who did not become abortionists, none are conscientious objectors?

You quoted a link that I can't open.
I'm simply asking you to expand on what you claim is quoted in the article. Edit.. and let us see the details in the article and quote.
It's not that difficult to understand.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 12-01-2019 01:28PM

RobertKK wrote: »

So of the 95% of doctors who did not become abortionists, none are conscientious objectors?

Nobody's denying the existence of conscientious objectors, we're just asking you to post the bit of the article where it says the reason 10 out of 19 hospitals are not currently providing surgical abortion is the degree of conscientious objection from the staff who'd be required to carry them out. Just post the whole thing if you like and we'll find it ourselves.

Since you've shifted the goalposts (for shame, Robert!) to GPs, of the 95% who haven't signed up yet, none are afraid of protests and reprisals?

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