22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

tretorn · 02-01-2019 07:19PM

I have no intention of ever travelling in a taxi driven by a black person because he may not even be the licence holder and therefore he isnt insured.

If we are involved in an accident he may just run for it and I wont have anyone to sue for damages.

I care about my own personal safety above all other factors including whether me wanting to be driven home by a fellow Irish person is racist.

I dont believe that taxi service providers are vetted properly and nor do I think they receive sufficient training.

The Pakistani who raped the young Irish woman and held her for over two hours is still at large and probably trawling the streets looking for his next victim. I have advised all my young female relatives not to get into taxis alone and not to hail taxis driven by men who resemble the excellent photofit of the alleged rapist. You are perfectly entitled to hail whatever taxi you like on the street and it only takes about ten seconds to establish the ethnic background of the driver. If he isnt to your liking then wait for the next taxi, who cares seriously if this is racist, it wouldnt be possible for me to care less.

Robocop Corcoran · 02-01-2019 07:19PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Oh for f*ck’s sake. The Polish shop argument is rubbish because they’re selling different products that aren’t to everyone’s taste. The taxi driver is offering exactly the same service ie a spin home. But the basis of some points above is “I don’t want a spin home because I don’t want to pay or share a space with a black fella.”

Now you can f*ck about all you like and pretend that doesn’t make you racist but discriminating or exercising prejudice on the basis of someone’s race is exactly that.

Honestly, it’s the epitome of bigoted small-mindedness.

Dont be getting angry, man. We are just having a chat here.

batgoat · 02-01-2019 07:21PM

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

Dont be getting angry, man. We are just having a chat here.

Would you use a taxi where the driver is Irish and black?

tretorn · 02-01-2019 07:23PM

Everyone weighs up risks to their own personal safety and if they arent happy getting into a car with a Nigerian taxi driver then its perfectly acceptable for them not to do so.

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-01-2019 07:23PM

tretorn wrote: »

Everyone weighs up risks to their own personal safety and if they arent happy getting into a car with a Nigerian taxi driver then its perfectly Racist for them not to do so.

Fixed that for you.

FTA69 · 02-01-2019 07:24PM

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

Dont be getting angry, man. We are just having a chat here.

Oh I’m not angry at all mate, while I’m a bit saddened that such pig-head bigotry still exists - I wouldn’t be losing a huge amount of sleep over it. If you want to go around looking down on people because of the colour of the skin it’s your own business at the end of the day.

But equally when you’re coming out with some cod about how you’re not a racist just because you’re prejudiced toward black people then don’t be moaning when people point out that you’re full of it.

tretorn · 02-01-2019 07:25PM

batgoat wrote: »

Would you use a taxi where the driver is Irish and black?

NO, I am not interested in finding out the personal background of the driver.

There are no records kept in many African countries so its impossible to vet immigrants properly.

Its better to be safe than sorry so stop with your moralistic posturing batgoat.

sk8erboii · 02-01-2019 07:27PM

I refuse to get in the same vehicle as a black man.

Im not racist btw (;

batgoat · 02-01-2019 07:27PM

tretorn wrote: »

Everyone weighs up risks to their own personal safety and if they arent happy getting into a car with a Nigerian taxi driver then its perfectly acceptable for them not to do so.

Being black doesn't mean you're Nigerian. You and others in this thread seem to really struggle with the fact that a black person can in fact be Irish... They can be English, German, French or any other nationality in existence. Skin colour does not define a person in a negative or positive way with the exception of racists.

tretorn wrote: »

NO, I am not interested in finding out the personal background of the driver.

There are no records kept in many African countries so its impossible to vet immigrants properly.

Its better to be safe than sorry so stop with your moralistic posturing batgoat.

You're a massive racist and there is absolutely no question of it.

1800_Ladladlad · 02-01-2019 07:31PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Ireland had similar attitudes to women as Muslim countries do and some people in authority are still of that generation.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Please elaborate.......

Still waiting for this claim to be backed up. I see end of the road liked the comment, maybe you could provide facts to this claim you liked/agreed with.

batgoat · 02-01-2019 07:35PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Still waiting for this claim to be backed up. I see end of the road liked the comment, maybe you could provide facts to this claim you liked/agreed with.

We locked unmarried pregnant women up to wash clothing. Then sold off their child. Marital rape only became illegal in the early 90s.

More recent examples, plenty of Irish people are happy to blame women for being raped. Because of how they dressed or because people view them to have been asking for it. George Hook did it twice, while it ended his talk show at the time. Many praised him for going up against "pc gone mad".

tretorn · 02-01-2019 07:37PM

If someone had talked sense into the Swedish and Danish young women and told them to be wary of Moroccan men they wouldnt have agreed to go hiking with them.

They spent too much time listening to bat**** crazies like batgoat and end of the road and unfortuneatly they suffered an agonising death.

None of these Islam countries are safe for white women to travel in and women travelling need to think about their personal safety. They have grown up in a country where their safety is taken for granted, they are too trusting and naive and its the PC tripe that people are good and decent the same wherever you go that leads to tragedy.

Ireland never had the same attitude to women as its belittling of the suffering of muslim women to even make this statement.

Robocop Corcoran · 02-01-2019 07:39PM

batgoat wrote: »

Would you use a taxi where the driver is Irish and black?

Calm down, i seen your first post no need for spamming. I use any taxi with any nationality i never said otherwise.

Billy86 · 02-01-2019 07:39PM

tretorn wrote: »

I have no intention of ever travelling in a taxi driven by a black person because he may not even be the licence holder and therefore he isnt insured..

There it is again, its equal parts hilarious and pathetic seeing some posters scurry like rats to defend this as not being racism.

sk8erboii · 02-01-2019 07:40PM

Danish girls got beheaded in Morocco thats why I refuse to get in a taxi with a black man

See im not racist, just a perfectly rational being (;

Robocop Corcoran · 02-01-2019 07:40PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Oh I’m not angry at all mate, while I’m a bit saddened that such pig-head bigotry still exists - I wouldn’t be losing a huge amount of sleep over it. If you want to go around looking down on people because of the colour of the skin it’s your own business at the end of the day.

But equally when you’re coming out with some cod about how you’re not a racist just because you’re prejudiced toward black people then don’t be moaning when people point out that you’re full of it.

Who's moaning?

batgoat · 02-01-2019 07:42PM

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

Calm down, i seen your first post no need for spamming. I use any taxi with any nationality i never said otherwise.

Why not answer the question so? Would you not get the taxi because the driver is black?

jackofalltrades · 02-01-2019 07:45PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

To help you figure it out in future here is the international definition of racial discrimination.

That's the international legal definition of racial discrimination I assume?

Robocop Corcoran · 02-01-2019 07:46PM

batgoat wrote: »

Why not answer the question so? Would you not get the taxi because the driver is black?

Is there something wrong with you? ive said i would get in any a taxi, whether it was black man or white man driving

02-01-2019 07:52PM

tretorn wrote: »

The Pakistani who raped the young Irish woman and held her for over two hours is still at large and probably trawling the streets looking for his next victim.

I hadn't heard about this til today.
It's nearly a month ago now so chances are he'll never be caught, he's probably well gone from the jurisdiction.

How does a Pakistani come to be driving a taxi in Dublin and how in the hell did he pass a Garda background check to become one.

Yes, yes I know it's racist to ask these awkward questions.

tretorn · 02-01-2019 07:52PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Danish girls got beheaded in Morocco thats why I refuse to get in a taxi with a black man

See im not racist, just a perfectly rational being (;

Its about learning to develop and sixth sense and minimising a risk and its the same self preservation whether its in your own home country or whether you are abroad.

If you believe like I do that many Africans in this country are unvetted because there are so few records available in countries where they have arrived from then its safer not to get into a locked moving vehicle with them. The same goes for taxi drivers who are from a Pakistan or Afghan background, many of these men pose a serious threat to women so again best to avoid being alone with them.

I wouldnt go on holidays in any Islam country and most definitely would not get into a taxi there either and young Western women would do well to erase Morooco from their itinerary. Many of these young women travelling would have been educated alongside muslim men and would have them as neighbours but they will conform in a society where certain standards of behaviour are expected.

ETA, he could have come in from the UK and may have not been the registered owner of the taxi. Many of these licences are handed around and the person in the picture on the dashboard may not be the person driving. If you have a lot of drink on you you mightnt even check the photograph and even sober its very hard to tell one individual from another when people are from different ethnic backgrounds.

end of the road · 02-01-2019 08:03PM

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

No it isnt im a paying customer i can choose who i wish to give my money to. Are you telling me that i shouldnt have a choice?

you can choose who you give your money to yes, however if you make that choice based on race, skin colour or nationality, then it is racist. if you choose on the basis of that particular service provider having provided you with a faulty service before and you have proof that the service was as such, then no it's not racist.

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

Was i discriminated against though?
Or is it the taxi drivers right to refuse to go somewhere? He has a choice like i have a choice?

if he refused you based on your skin colour, race or nationality then yes he would have discriminated against you. if he refused you based on the fact that going to a particular area would put him in danger then no, as long as he can provide proof if requested to do so by the relevant authorities that going to the area would put him in danger.

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

I am actually avoiding it because its Polish, i dont like Polish food.

well you would have to decide which it is . are you avoiding it specifically because it's polish, or because you don't like polish food?

Billy86 · 02-01-2019 08:06PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I hadn't heard about this til today.
It's nearly a month ago now so chances are he'll never be caught, he's probably well gone from the jurisdiction.

How does a Pakistani come to be driving a taxi in Dublin and how in the hell did he pass a Garda background check to become one.

Yes, yes I know it's racist to ask these awkward questions.

A Pakistani man becomes a taxi driver in Ireland by migrating to ireland, having. he driving driving licence, and applying for a job as a taxi driver. There is a reason why just about all large cities have a lot of foreign taxi drivers.

As for police checks, if it is the same as jobs like child care they would be required to do a full check in all countries they have lived in since 18. I don't know if taxi companies require them, but the Pakistani driver would have required the same docs as a Larry Murphy, or Dave that I used to play football with.

And no it's not racist to ask. It is however racist to point blank refuse to get a taxi based on literally nothing but the drivers race/skin colour, don't you agree?

PuppyMcPupFace · 02-01-2019 08:06PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

My local taxi company employs a fair few African drivers. All good sorts. Never a bother.

I'd be worried about hailing a taxi on the street full stop, colour or nationality of driver irrelevant.

Robocop Corcoran · 02-01-2019 08:11PM

tretorn wrote: »

Its about learning to develop and sixth sense and minimising a risk and its the same self preservation whether its in your own home country or whether you are abroad.

If you believe like I do that many Africans in this country are unvetted because there are so few records available in countries where they have arrived from then its safer not to get into a locked moving vehicle with them. The same goes for taxi drivers who are from a Pakistan or Afghan background.

Hard to argue with that to be honest.

end of the road · 02-01-2019 08:15PM

tretorn wrote: »

I have no intention of ever travelling in a taxi driven by a black person because he may not even be the licence holder and therefore he isnt insured.

that could be said for a driver of any skin colour. it's not a black specific thing to not be licenced or insured.

tretorn wrote: »

If we are involved in an accident he may just run for it and I wont have anyone to sue for damages.

not unique to black people either.

tretorn wrote: »

I care about my own personal safety above all other factors including whether me wanting to be driven home by a fellow Irish person is racist.

one can prioritize both. well at least ones who don't have an agenda.

tretorn wrote: »

I dont believe that taxi service providers are vetted properly and nor do I think they receive sufficient training.

that's a separate issue and down to the regulator. and on those possible issues perhapse you have a point. nothing to do with skin colour however.

tretorn wrote: »

The Pakistani who raped the young Irish woman and held her for over two hours is still at large and probably trawling the streets looking for his next victim.

yes and that is worrying however refusing to take a taxi based on someone's skin colour won't change that, as skin colour doesn't dictate whether someone is a rapist or not.

tretorn wrote: »

I have advised all my young female relatives not to get into taxis alone and not to hail taxis driven by men who resemble the excellent photofit of the alleged rapist.

the problem with that is not only are you telling them to, upon seeing a driver of a particular skin colour, to not take that particular taxi, in turn discriminating against those people, but you aren't decreasing the risk to your friends, as there is always a risk that a driver of their own skin colour may also be a rapist.

tretorn wrote: »

You are perfectly entitled to hail whatever taxi you like on the street and it only takes about ten seconds to establish the ethnic background of the driver.

you can, however not on the basis of skin colour. that is not the reason why that choice exists, it exists to allow people to make a choice based on the condition of the car for example.

tretorn wrote: »

If he isnt to your liking then wait for the next taxi, who cares seriously if this is racist, it wouldnt be possible for me to care less.

decent people would ultimately care if they were racist. they would want to change from being so as they know racism has no place in society and doesn't do or bring any good. racists of course won't care.

sk8erboii · 02-01-2019 08:23PM

To conservatives: Why dont you just live in a cabin in the woods since you dont like anything that is foreign?

Wouldnt it be best, and satisfy your fear of the unknown?

And isnt it hypocritical to keep criticisng foreigners while living in a land that is deeply influenced by foreign people?

batgoat · 02-01-2019 08:24PM

Robocop Corcoran wrote: »

Hard to argue with that to be honest.

Except this poster has already stated they would not get in any taxi where the driver is black.... Taxi drivers are vetted every five years and guessing the process is similar to working in schools, if you've lived abroad. The countries you were residing have to clear you alongside Garda vetting. The reality is we likely have Irish taxi drivers who have committed rape and gotten away with it. Tretorn is using every reason possible to justify being incredibly racist.

Notably he's not saying the same about white foreign nationals who may have slipped through the vetting process. It's just all directed at drivers who aren't white. What does that strike you as?

Robocop Corcoran · 02-01-2019 08:27PM

end of the road wrote: »

you can choose who you give your money to yes, however if you make that choice based on race, skin colour or nationality, then it is racist. if you choose on the basis of that particular service provider having provided you with a faulty service before and you have proof that the service was as such, then no it's not racist.

if he refused you based on your skin colour, race or nationality then yes he would have discriminated against you. if he refused you based on the fact that going to a particular area would put him in danger then no, as long as he can provide proof if requested to do so by the relevant authorities that going to the area would put him in danger.

well you would have to decide which it is . are you avoiding it specifically because it's polish, or because you don't like polish food?

Of course its the food, look for most of my life when i got into a taxi its been an Irish driver. Its what i am used to, its what i prefer. Nothing racist at all about it. I still get into any man or womans taxi no matter where they are from, if i really did have a problem then id be walking home from town most weekends.

20Cent · 02-01-2019 08:33PM

sk8erboii wrote: »

To conservatives: Why dont you just live in a cabin in the woods since you dont like anything that is foreign?

Wouldnt it be best, and satisfy your fear of the unknown?

And isnt it hypocritical to keep criticisng foreigners while living in a land that is deeply influenced by foreign people?

You'd swear that they lived in thatched cottages, eating stew, speaking Irish while dancing everywhere. Conservatives tend to be sentimental folk who imagine some long lost time when everything was the way they would like it. Truth is that time didn't exist things change get over it.

22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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