Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Water John · 12-12-2018 10:24PM

ERG tie themselves close to the DUP. TM needs the DUP to govern, that's their leverage.
Soubry makes the point, far less bitter than JRM, that in effect the majority of backbenchers did not support her.

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2018 10:33PM

Soubry and Buckland tearing into each other on Sky. Thought Buckland was going to headbutt her at one stage.

J Mysterio · 12-12-2018 10:34PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

All of Scotland hates the tories - except of course those who voted in 13 Conservative MPs at the last general election.

Shocking result for May in the ballot - one hundred votes against her is catastrophic I think.

I’d expect any other PM to resign. Theresa has a different outlook though, so all bets are off.

Corbyn lost a confidence vote of 172-40 for Labour leader, not a bother on him. I think she did well, all things considered.

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 10:34PM

Brave woman to use part of her speech to talk about domestic governance.

Interesting that she mentioned going to Europe to look for political and legal assurances about the backstop. Did not hint that she will be looking for or expecting changes.

FrancieBrady · 12-12-2018 10:36PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Soubry and Buckland tearing into each other on Sky. Thought Buckland was going to headbutt her at one stage.

I am not aware of a political mess as big as this where shots weren't eventually fired.

The multiple sides seem completely irreconcilable.

Water John · 12-12-2018 10:37PM

LB plus some Tories in HoC force a 2nd vote only end game. She has no Brexit that will get through HoC.

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2018 10:37PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not aware of a political mess as big as this where shots weren't eventually fired.

The multiple sides seem completely irreconcilable.

They are hopelessly divided. It can't end well.

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 10:39PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

They are hopelessly divided. It can't end well.

Hopelessly divided was never more accurately used.
I can hardly work out how many different factions there are.

Jacob's Rees Mogg will probably instruct the butler to kick the dog tonight.

awec · 12-12-2018 10:39PM

The Labour plan is literally just "get another deal". The thing that's been ruled out numerous times.

The UK is heading for a crisis. No deal is a disaster, the government's plan is going down the toilet and the opposition have nothing to offer instead.

devnull · 12-12-2018 10:41PM

awec wrote: »

The Labour plan is literally just "get another deal". The thing that's been ruled out numerous times.

The UK is heading for a crisis. No deal is a disaster, the government's plan is going down the toilet and the opposition have nothing to offer instead.

Any proper opposition would have kicked the Tories out of the park by now but they are clueless and deluded from reality.

12-12-2018 10:41PM

Mogg up on sky now.

"Bad night for the prime minister"

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2018 10:42PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Hopelessly divided was never more accurately used.
I can hardly work out how many different factions there are.

Jacob's Rees Mogg will probably instruct the butler to kick the dog tonight.

In Latin, no doubt. The Honourable Member for the 17th century as Niall Fitzgerald called him. Love that.

devnull · 12-12-2018 10:43PM

Jacob Rees Mogg claims they've won because around 160 of the votes don't count in his eyes and May should resign as she doesn't have a mandate as people were essentially forced to vote for her.

It's breathtaking really his arrogance.

Rjd2 · 12-12-2018 10:43PM

awec wrote: »

The Labour plan is literally just "get another deal". The thing that's been ruled out numerous times.

The UK is heading for a crisis. No deal is a disaster, the government's plan is going down the toilet and the opposition have nothing to offer instead.

This is incorrect. They will win the election in February and then go and negotiate something much better than what May has before the March deadline as obviously the EU would be delighted to give Jez everything that he wants.

Royale with Cheese · 12-12-2018 10:44PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

This is incorrect. They will win the election in February and then go and negotiate something much better than what May has before the March deadline as obviously the EU would be delighted to give Jez everything that he wants.

I cringe every time he opens his mouth, pathetic opposition.

12-12-2018 10:44PM

devnull wrote: »

It's breathtaking really his arrogance.

Really pushing the "payroll vote" line isn't he.

I think he's quite annoyed by the impudence of Dermot Murnaghan questioning him.

12-12-2018 10:45PM

Jesus Rees-Mogg is full of ****

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2018 10:45PM

Dermot calling Jacob's hypocrisy out on Sky.

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 10:46PM

awec wrote: »

The Labour plan is literally just "get another deal". The thing that's been ruled out numerous times.

The UK is heading for a crisis. No deal is a disaster, the government's plan is going down the toilet and the opposition have nothing to offer instead.

It is stunning how they say everything is so bad and within the same sentence explains that they are not calling for a vote of no confidence in the government because they are not sure they would win it.

They are actually saying that. :eek:

Headshot · 12-12-2018 10:46PM

devnull wrote: »

Jacob Rees Mogg claims they've won because around 160 of the votes don't count in his eyes and May should resign as she doesn't have a mandate as people were essentially forced to vote for her.

It's breathtaking really his arrogance.

Is it surprising?

The man is a nasty piece of work and one of the architects for destroying Great Britain

12-12-2018 10:48PM

Headshot wrote: »

Is it surprising?

The man is a nasty piece of work and one of the architects for destroying Great Britain

Agreed. He's a dangerous boot boy in a nice suit and a posh accent.

Enzokk · 12-12-2018 10:48PM

devnull wrote: »

Jacob Rees Mogg claims they've won because around 160 of the votes don't count in his eyes and May should resign as she doesn't have a mandate as people were essentially forced to vote for her.

It's breathtaking really his arrogance.

He has a point to a degree, if you look at the independent Tory MPs votes she didn't get half of those.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1072960160258277376

Now I will not pretend to know what is meant by independent, non ministers?

devnull · 12-12-2018 10:49PM

JRM has just had a dig at John Major as well.

Says he will support the agreement if the backstop is gone.

Nothing surprising really.

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 10:50PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Now I will not pretend to know what is meant by independent, non ministers?

They are not holding a position such as a ministry, secretary or envoy. Those who hold such positions receive additional wages and the argument being used is that they would not vote against her because they would be expected to resign from their position and therefore would lose the jobs and the wages.

devnull · 12-12-2018 10:51PM

Enzokk wrote: »

He has a point to a degree, if you look at the independent Tory MPs votes she didn't get half of those.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1072960160258277376

Now I will not pretend to know what is meant by independent, non ministers?

You can't have a populist vote and then start saying peoples votes don't count because they didn't vote the way you wanted them to. They knew the rules before the contest took place.

If we're going down that road, then we can start excluding people who voted for Brexit as well, but Mogg would cry blue murder if we started doing that saying that everyone has a vote and to exclude them is undemocratic.

Tell me how · 12-12-2018 10:51PM

devnull wrote: »

JRM has just had a dig at John Major as well.

Says he will support the agreement if the backstop is gone.

Nothing surprising really.

Of course he will because 30 seconds in to the 30th of March he will be suggesting reneging on everything.

CFlat · 12-12-2018 10:52PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Agreed. He's a dangerous boot boy in a nice suit and a posh accent.

He's a man who likes the sound of his own voice but has very little of substance to add to the conversation just to get May out but has no real solutions.

murphaph · 12-12-2018 10:52PM

To those saying that 200 votes is on the low side, it's one more than she got in her leadership election in 2016 and critically, can anyone name a candidate that would get 200 votes in a leadership election right now? I can't.

Tories are really falling apart. Would be great if they split over this finally.

Infini · 12-12-2018 10:54PM

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus Rees-Mogg is full of ****

That's all he ever does to be honest, the man is somewhere between a irredemable idiot and a parasite because I can only conclude his motivation is to cause a car crash Brexit to capitalise and feed on people's misery and foolishness. The No Confidence vote has basically told the Brexiteers to get rekt but it just shows the conservatives basically have a 117 Pseudo-Kippers in their party.

All I can say is that while Europe might have tried to be nice they need to come down firm and put pressure on them to decide what they want.

1) WA 2) Abandon Brexit for good 3) Crash out and burn in the fires of their own demise.

markodaly · 12-12-2018 11:02PM

seamus wrote: »

All of Scotland hates the Tories. They have continually treated Scotland as second class citizens and a burden. Sturgeon is merely representing her constituents.

Maybe in your own neck of the woods and head, but the Tories hold 13 Westminister seats there, that is more than Labour and the Lib Dems combined.

So clearly not all of Scotland hated the Tories, as quite a lot of them vote for them.

Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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