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Garda shoots dog in Longford

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    #752
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Captain Obvious wrote:
    I am fully sure that if the true extent of traveller crime was revealed then people simply wouldn't believe it.


    Frankly nothing Travellers get up to would surprise me. We already know from British news that slavery is not something that they have any moral issues with.


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    #753
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I am fully sure that if the true extent of traveller crime was revealed then people simply wouldn't believe it.

    LOL at your username!

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #754
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Frankly nothing Travellers get up to would surprise me. We already know from British news that slavery is not something that they have any moral issues with.

    LOL at your username!


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    #755
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    If there wasn't then why did he shoot the man in the leg and not the chest as he is trained?

    People without weapons training always assume that people with weapons training are only trained to shoot to the chest (center of the mass).

    Sure if the need to mortally wound someone is required then that's the easiest target but you're also instructed in verbal warnings, containing shots (that's shots fired to the ground/walls etc to contain a target/targets in a certain area) or you can shot to the persons extremities.

    People are wrapped up in the fact the video doesn't show a dog. I've covered that earlier. A German Shepard is a big strong dog, shooting one with a small caliper low velocity gun like the Guard has would likely need a head shot to immediately drop him, otherwise I'd imagine the dog ran and died somewhere else.


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    #756
    Captain Obvious
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    Abram Scruffy Coriander wrote: »
    People without weapons training always assume that people with weapons training are only trained to shoot to the chest (center of the mass).

    Sure if the need to mortally wound someone is required then that's the easiest target but you're also instructed in verbal warnings, containing shots (that's shots fired to the ground/walls etc to contain a target/targets in a certain area) or you can shot to the persons extremities.

    People are wrapped up in the fact the video doesn't show a dog. I've covered that earlier. A German Shepard is a big strong dog, shooting one with a small caliper low velocity gun like the Guard has would likely need a head shot to immediately drop him, otherwise I'd imagine the dog ran and died somewhere else.


    I believe you are confusing the rules of engagement of the army with the police.


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    #757
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I believe you are confusing the rules of engagement of the army with the police.

    I'm not.


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    #758
    secman
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    Some people have no morals at all, stealing a dead dog is just the Pitts, not saying who stole it or pointing any fingers, just saying.


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    #759
    tuxy
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    secman wrote: »
    Some people have no morals at all, stealing a dead dog is just the Pitts, not saying who stole it or pointing any fingers, just saying.

    The travellers say there was no dog at all in the first place.
    https://www.thesun.ie/news/3476127/family-man-wounded-armed-garda-longford-no-dog/


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    #760
    IRE60
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    The Sun have a quote from Ned ‘Sonny’ Stokes (relation of Blondie) saying “There was no dog anywhere near him.” (him being the Guard).


    I'm sure that the Garda tie - given all the various interpretations to the events - will get the forensic treatment for traces of Dog saliva.



    It's probably best to wait until that's finalised - at the moment it's he said, she said.


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    #761
    Captain Obvious
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    Abram Scruffy Coriander wrote: »
    I'm not.


    You are. Gardaí are not trained or allowed to shoot as you described. The military is.


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    #762
    Edgware
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    IRE60 wrote: »
    The Sun have a quote from Ned ‘Sonny’ Stokes (relation of Blondie) saying “There was no dog anywhere near him.” (him being the Guard).


    I'm sure that the Garda tie - given all the various interpretations to the events - will get the forensic treatment for traces of Dog saliva.



    It's probably best to wait until that's finalised - at the moment it's he said, she said.
    Are you calling Sonny and Blondie Stokes liars?
    How dare you?


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    #763
    Plumbthedepths
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    tuxy wrote:
    The travellers say there was no dog at all in the first place.


    To quote a well known phrase "they would say that wouldn't they".


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    #764
    tuxy
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    To quote a well known phrase "they would say that wouldn't they".

    It's just so brazen though, there were a number of witnesses that saw the dog. Not how they think this will work.
    Making the claim that the dog was no where near the garda would work better.


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    #765
    Plumbthedepths
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    tuxy wrote:
    It's just so brazen though, there were a number of witnesses that saw the dog. Not how they think this will work.


    A traveller from near where I live lead the guards on a chase he ended up turning the car he stole onto its roof. When the door was prised open the first words out of his mouth were "it wasn't me, ya can't prove it"


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    #766
    Plumbthedepths
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    tuxy wrote:
    Making the claim that the dog was no where near the garda would work better.


    Except the edited video Mrs Speilberg posted online would contradict that narrative.


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    #767
    IRE60
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Are you calling Sonny and Blondie Stokes liars?
    How dare you?


    Oh God No. I'm saying that there vagaries arising each day. I'll soon be asked to believe that they were on their way to Crufts, but at the last minute realised the'd forgotten the dog and had called their mate Tom, the local law enforcer, for a bit of help searching the bog for the animal.


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    #768
    facehugger99
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    Having watched the video and nearly being deafened by the high pitch screams, I'd say that Guard is in a whole heap of trouble.


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    #769
    upandcumming
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Having watched the video and nearly being deafened by the high pitch screams, I'd say that Guard is in a whole heap of trouble.

    Wouldn't expect anything less... :rolleyes:


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    #770
    tuxy
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'd say that Guard is in a whole heap of trouble.

    We know and not just him but his family. He will have protection at his home for the next few days but we all know travellers hold grudges for years.


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    #771
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    You are. Gardare not trained or allowed to shoot as you described. The military is.

    You've no experience of either, I have both.

    People are confused because you see personnel on the ranges and they're always shooting at the chest. Then they think that's the only place you're allowed to shot.

    That said, you're not trained to shoot extremities or trained in warning and containing shots. You're instructed that they're your first options.

    I'm not arguing with you (I know, that's the AH way and then both sides lock horns. I can't be arsed with that).

    Look at things logically, why would you mount (arm) someone and give them only one option (should they be required to discharge their weapon)?.

    Just to try clear that up.

    You're trained to shoot to the center of the mass (chest) but you're instructed in options other than that (if that makes sense)

    If I try to break it down any simpler I'll only complicate things.

    ***Edit
    People without weapons training always assume that people with weapons training are only trained to shoot to the chest (center of the mass).

    In case there is any confusion in that.

    Its easier to shoot there on the ranges that's all. But bullets will go wherever the firer points their weapon.


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    #772
    Plumbthedepths
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    facehugger99 wrote:
    Having watched the video and nearly being deafened by the high pitch screams, I'd say that Guard is in a whole heap of trouble.

    If you mean professionally..nope, if you mean with certain members of an ethnic minority yes if they are stupid enough to make good on their threats. Watch the crackdown they will experience if they do though. I can see the gloves finally coming off.


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    #773
    Auguste Comte
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    tuxy wrote:
    Making the claim that the dog was no where near the garda would work better.


    Except the edited video Mrs Speilberg posted online would contradict that narrative.
    Does the video show the dog?


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    #774
    BattleCorp
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    Abram Scruffy Coriander wrote: »
    .

    People are wrapped up in the fact the video doesn't show a dog. I've covered that earlier. A German Shepard is a big strong dog, shooting one with a small caliper low velocity gun like the Guard has would likely need a head shot to immediately drop him, otherwise I'd imagine the dog ran and died somewhere else.

    A .22lr is a small calibre low velocity round. A 9mm certainly isn't.


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    #775
    tuxy
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    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Does the video show the dog?

    It does not but they did edit it.
    Would be amazing performance from the Traveller to pretend he is holding a dog. And another oscar winning performance to talk about about a dog that's not there under such stressful circumstances.


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    #776
    Plumbthedepths
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    Auguste Comte wrote:
    Does the video show the dog?


    Shows nothing below waist height, as already discussed multiple times here.


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    #777
    Grayson
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    having just hopped into this thread, I had thought a thread about a garda shooting a dog would be far funnier.


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    #778
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    An Alsatian could legitimately kill a man. Especially one which has been bred to be vicious.

    You couldn't blame the Garda for his actions if this attack did in fact occur.


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    #779
    BattleCorp
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    The moral of the story.

    Don't give your vehicle to travellers to repair.


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    #780
    BattleCorp
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    An Alsatian could legitimately kill a man. Especially one which has been bred to be vicious.

    You couldn't blame the Garda for his actions if this attack did in fact occur.


    Either way, if there was no dog, someone had hold of the Garda's tie.


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    #781
    Plumbthedepths
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    BattleCorp wrote:
    The moral of the story.
    Or..
    BattleCorp wrote:
    Don't give your vehicle to travellers to repair.

    Don't bring a slash hook to a gunfight.


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