Garda shoots dog in Longford

RustyNut

seamus wrote: »

If the dog got shot in the head, the bullet wouldn't have made it to the guy's foot. He most likely caught the dog in neck or upper body.

Really? What is the standard ammunition issued to detectives? Hollow point, soft point .......?

aaakev

seamus wrote: »

If the dog got shot in the head, the bullet wouldn't have made it to the guy's foot. He most likely caught the dog in neck or upper body.

From that range the bullet may not expand enough to slow down so could very well exit the other side and hit his leg.

You could well be right on the neck though, id say the dog bolted straight away after being shot and was out of the camera shot by the time
The screaming camera woman stepped back

Plumbthedepths

RustyNut wrote:

Really? What is the standard ammunition issued to detectives? Hollow point, soft point .......?

Standard 9 mm parabellum, in the Sig or Whalter.

tuxy

RustyNut wrote: »

Really? What is the standard ammunition issued to detectives? Hollow point, soft point .......?

FMJ for 9mm sig if this article is correct

https://www.thejournal.ie/ammunition-garda-tender-4144315-Jul2018/

seamus

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

ohnonotgmail

seamus wrote: »

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

Oddly enough i actually remember that episode but i remember it as a .22 which would make more sense.

Edgware

Gravelly wrote: »

What's with slash hooks? They seem to be able to whip them out at any opportunity. Whoever imports them must be making a killing.

Same as Belfast. Big demand for baseball bats but they never actually buy a baseball

tuxy

seamus wrote: »

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

Depends on so many factors and this was almost point blank range not a drive by! There is a good change it with right through flesh though and didn't hit bone.
9mm is kind of a medium/low power round, how close you are to the target and where it hits makes a big difference.

FTA69

seamus wrote: »

I remember seeing an episode of Cops years ago where they attended the scene after a drive-by shooting. One guy had been shot, but he was walking around not a bother on him, massive fat bastard. The cops asked where he'd been shot and if he was hurt. He pointed to a small hole in his substantial thigh and said, "Naw man, it was only a 9mm, barely even stings".

So that's my knowledge of guns in a nutshell. I assumed 9mm wouldn't have the energy to go in and out of a skull, happy to be corrected.

Lad a 9mm bullet would do terrible things to a human body. It’s far from a cap-gun calibre.

josip

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

tuxy

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/armed-officers-protect-gardas-house-over-threats-after-man-shot-in-leg-37596535.html

Yes slash hooks now mentioned in the papers. Slash hooks are tradition for funeral or weddings.
I remember seeing a garda as a child who had been called to a travellers wedding, his face was all cut up

ohnonotgmail

josip wrote: »

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

Mostly from where they were developed. the 9mm was invented in germany so they used metric. american and british calibers tend to be imperial.

seamus

josip wrote: »

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber#Metric_and_US_customary

Sounds like it all depends on whether the gun is manufactured in 'Murica or not.

tuxy

josip wrote: »

OT but why is some ammunition/guns referred to in metric and some in imperial?

imperial is the old system. NATO have taken it on to standardise every round they use in metric to help NATO countries collaborate on missions.
Many new rounds will be designed with metric(especially ones made in europe) and sometimes the description of the round was originally imperial but NATO changed the name to metric.
If a round is in imperial only then NATO probably does not use it.

Just for example .223 is NATO 5.56mm x 45mm

blanch152

Gravelly wrote: »

I believe some criminals in the UK are known to cut the vocal cords of dogs protecting their homes so that an intruder won't hear the dog until it's too late.
Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility I suppose.

Wouldn't be surprised. The Traveller record on animal cruelty is horrific.

seamus

The dog not barking is not exactly a smoking gun anyway (pun intended). My dog basically never barks, wouldn't bark in this scenario.

And if you beat or punish a dog when it does bark, then it will very quickly learn to stop barking completely.

ohnonotgmail

tuxy wrote: »

imperial is the old system. NATO have taken it on to standardise every round they use in metric to help NATO countries collaborate on missions.
Many new rounds will be designed with metric(especially ones made in europe) and sometimes the description of the round was originally imperial but NATO changed the name to metric.
If a round is in imperial only then NATO probably does not use it.

Just for example .223 is NATO 5.56mm x 45mm

not true. the 9mm round was developed at the turn of the 20th century. It was always 9mm. Anything developed in europe with the exception of britain was always metric. and .223 is not the same as 5.56. you can fire .223 in a weapon developed for 5.56 but the reverse is not true.

downthemiddle

BBFAN wrote: »

He gets the crap battered out of him like the rest of us do when we call 999?

I always knew those first responders were dangerous.

BattleCorp

Originally Posted by BattleCorp
And what then, watch yer man in the truck getting battered to death?
Fcuk that.

TCM wrote: »

Don't be s hysterical.

Do you think the traveller just wanted to give the van driver a cuddle?

Sundew

Thankfully the dog didn’t shoot the Garda!

tuxy

Sundew wrote: »

Thankfully the dog didn’t shoot the Garda!

I don't get the joke........

Wheres Me Jumper?

josip wrote: »

There'll be dog saliva on the tie.

Unless the full, unedited camera footage is made available it will be inadmissible and worthless.

this is beginning to sound like that drama featuring Brendan Gleeson called Mr. Mercedes.

RTE will probably run one called Mr. HiAce.

Doctors room ghost

#buymorebulletsfortom.

Feisar

tuxy wrote: »

FMJ for 9mm sig if this article is correct

https://www.thejournal.ie/ammunition-garda-tender-4144315-Jul2018/

I thought it was best practice to you hollows as there is less chance of overpenetration and injuring something other than the intended target?

tuxy

I said there were two stories going around on whatsapp last night but the thread was locked before I could post the story that non travellers were circulating. So just in case anyone is interested here it is and of course I can't back it up and it may not be the full truth as it's still just rumours on social media.

Feisar

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not true. the 9mm round was developed at the turn of the 20th century. It was always 9mm. Anything developed in europe with the exception of britain was always metric. and .223 is not the same as 5.56. you can fire .223 in a weapon developed for 5.56 but the reverse is not true.

Beat me to it, SAMMI and all that, stole my one chance to sound knowledgeable!

tuxy

Feisar wrote: »

I thought it was best practice to you hollows as there is less chance of overpenetration and injuring something other than the intended target?

Well there are different ideas on it. While it's true that FMJ can be dangerous because it's better at penetrating. Hollow points are often considered excessive as the person you are trying to incapacitate has a much lower chance of survival.

Police are not really meant to shoot to kill but to shot to incapacitate the threat which sometimes will require killing the target but should be avoided if possible.

Plumbthedepths

Feisar wrote:

I thought it was best practice to you hollows as there is less chance of overpenetration and injuring something other than the intended target?

Hollow point causes catastrophic injuries to the intended target . You are correct about over penetration but they are designed for stopping power .

tuxy

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hollow point causes catastrophic injuries to the intended target . You are correct about over penetration but they are designed for stopping power .

Yeah hollow points are more of a hunting round correct? As you want an animal to die as quickly as possible to avoid unnecessary suffering.
Queue jokes about the Gardi having hollow points to be humane to our cultured friends.

Plumbthedepths

tuxy wrote:

Yeah hollow points are more of a hunting round correct? As you want an animal to die as quickly as possible to avoid unnecessary suffering. Que jokes about the Gardi having hollow points to be humane to our cultured friends.

Actually they are favoured in the states for self defense. A corpse is no longer a threat.....