Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Harika · 22-11-2018 02:52PM

Interesting but ratty move

https://twitter.com/hlawiczka/status/1065618494102872069

Haas saying Not Force India, didn't build their cars themselves.

Santan · 22-11-2018 05:05PM

Maybe a silly question, but could Williams ever partner for a Ferrari engine, unless they move forward in the next year or 2 with Merc, would it be the worst move for them.

mickdw · 22-11-2018 05:19PM

Harika wrote: »

Interesting but ratty move

https://twitter.com/hlawiczka/status/1065618494102872069

Haas saying Not Force India, didn't build their cars themselves.

Is that some silly protest relating to the force India team being a different company to the current race team?

Harika · 22-11-2018 07:59PM

mickdw wrote: »

Harika wrote: »

Interesting but ratty move

https://twitter.com/hlawiczka/status/1065618494102872069

Haas saying Not Force India, didn't build their cars themselves.

Is that some silly protest relating to the force India team being a different company to the current race team?

The chassis of not force India was build by force India and by this illegal, fia now has to decide and that is worth 50 million dollars for Haas.

Burkie1203 · 22-11-2018 10:28PM

Harika wrote: »

The chassis of not force India was build by force India and by this illegal, fia now has to decide and that is worth 50 million dollars for Haas.

$50 million. Sure aren't Rich energy ploughing money in there ......

Charlie-Bravo · 22-11-2018 10:33PM

Has anyone seen anywhere that sells that energy drink?

mickdw · 22-11-2018 10:39PM

Harika wrote: »

The chassis of not force India was build by force India and by this illegal, fia now has to decide and that is worth 50 million dollars for Haas.

It was enough to make them start from zero points surely.
I can't see Haas winning that. New force India would surely have a case against the fia seeing as they allowed them entry knowing that it was the chassis of the old team, took their entry etc and allowed them to spend a lot of cash going racing.

GarIT · 22-11-2018 11:24PM

astrofluff wrote: »

Has anyone seen anywhere that sells that energy drink?

I think it's some sort of new company. At the time they were trying to buy Force India for £30m they were valued at £1m. Someone is trying to pump money into advertising to get it off the ground.

mickdw · 22-11-2018 11:32PM

GarIT wrote: »

I think it's some sort of new company. At the time they were trying to buy Force India for £30m they were valued at £1m. Someone is trying to pump money into advertising to get it off the ground.

Or just an outright scam.
Reminds me of the mansoor ijaz quantum group nonsense.

AMKC · 23-11-2018 12:50AM

mickdw wrote: »

It was enough to make them start from zero points surely.
I can't see Haas winning that. New force India would surely have a case against the fia seeing as they allowed them entry knowing that it was the chassis of the old team, took their entry etc and allowed them to spend a lot of cash going racing.

I hope you are right. I think it is very juvenile of Haas to even try this. I hope Haas do not win this one and the Fia just drop it.

H3llR4iser · 23-11-2018 11:22AM

The fact is that in pure, strict technical terms, HAAS are correct - the cars ran by Not Force India were indeed built by a company that was a different one that the current.

The fact they were allowed to race is probably where this will be shut - it's not exactly the first time this happens, there have been takeovers and changes of denominations in the past - one could have argued the 2009 Brawn GP car was indeed designed and at least partly built by Honda...

recyclebin · 23-11-2018 01:58PM

Force Canada is a totally new company. Force India went into administration so a different set of circumstances. Haas are going by the book. Something should be either in compliance with the rules or not. There should not be grey areas. Force India should have sold up before they went bust but they didn't because of their dodgy owner. FIA or Liberty did a sweetheart deal with Force Canada without following proper procedures and now chickens are coming home to roost. Liberty or FIA will have to pay Haas off or risk it going to court.

GarIT · 23-11-2018 03:11PM

I said at the time Force India should have just missed one race to get the issues sorted. They had two weeks between the race they barely managed to get to and the next.

They could have kept all of their points if they chose to miss that race and give the time needed for Stroll to buy the team properly instead of just the assets.

mickdw · 23-11-2018 03:59PM

GarIT wrote: »

I said at the time Force India should have just missed one race to get the issues sorted. They had two weeks between the race they barely managed to get to and the next.

They could have kept all of their points if they chose to miss that race and give the time needed for Stroll to buy the team properly instead of just the assets.

I don't think it was that straight forward although I might be wrong.

skipper_G · 23-11-2018 05:51PM

I assume Racing Point will just demonstrate (probably via a mass of paperwork) that there was a clear legal transition of the ownership of the intellectual property between the old and new entities. Haas are clutching at straws for one reason only, cold hard cash. They are like every F1 team ever, completely incapable of separating their own self interest from anything else.

skipper_G · 23-11-2018 05:54PM

mickdw wrote: »

I don't think it was that straight forward although I might be wrong.

Anyone who's ever had the misfortune of dealing with Indian bureaucracy will almost certainly tell you that a week would have made no difference whatsoever. Asking more than a dozen Indian banks to agree on anything is Mission Impossible, they'd need a committee to decide whether they should form a committee to discuss should they in fact form a committee to discuss the actual issue

vectra · 23-11-2018 07:59PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Anyone who's ever had the misfortune of dealing with Indian bureaucracy will almost certainly tell you that a week would have made no difference whatsoever. Asking more than a dozen Indian banks to agree on anything is Mission Impossible, they'd need a committee to decide whether they should form a committee to discuss should they in fact form a committee to discuss the actual issue

You mean like our own Government :pac::pac:

Back on topic,
I suppose Haas are right to do what they are doing.

Harika · 24-11-2018 12:24PM

The Haas case has been thrown out and pirelli is to be announced as tyre supplier for the next years.

Frank Bullitt · 24-11-2018 10:32PM

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1066422195730219008

flazio · 25-11-2018 10:26AM

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1066225499771416577?s=09

skipper_G · 25-11-2018 12:41PM

Jenson Button is joining Sky's presenting lineup for every race next season. Maybe they'll get rid of Herbert now

donspeekinglesh · 25-11-2018 12:52PM

skipper_G wrote: »

Jenson Button is joining Sky's presenting lineup for every race next season. Maybe they'll get rid of Herbert now

Don't know how that's supposed to work when he's signed to do the rest of the WEC season with SMP. The Australian GP clashes with Sebring..

skipper_G · 25-11-2018 02:22PM

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

Don't know how that's supposed to work when he's signed to do the rest of the WEC season with SMP. The Australian GP clashes with Sebring..

I just reread it, he's joining the presenting team but not specifically for every race. I think maybe I picked up one of Sky's subliminal messages of every race live blah blah by mistake

donspeekinglesh · 25-11-2018 02:41PM

skipper_G wrote: »

I just reread it, he's joining the presenting team but not specifically for every race. I think maybe I picked up one of Sky's subliminal messages of every race live blah blah by mistake

Sky said he "will see an increased role with Sky F1 during coverage of all 21 races next year." So that might mean some prerecorded stuff.

pjohnson · 25-11-2018 05:50PM

11 Titles, 3 cars, 1 farewell

https://streamable.com/yr02j

Adios Alonso!

dublinman1990 · 25-11-2018 05:57PM

The Channel 4 team photograph from this morning.

Fleetwood Mac who have the F1 theme song for Channel 4 have it on sale in a 3 CD set celebrating 50 years.

elperello · 25-11-2018 06:01PM

Congratulations to them.
Channel 4 consistently outperformed Sky.

pyramuid man · 25-11-2018 07:20PM

Are Channel 4 still doing highlights next year?

Thought I heard that earlier this year?

Dunno what I'll do now that eir sport won't have coverage next year.

Top Dog · 25-11-2018 07:31PM

pyramuid man wrote: »

Are Channel 4 still doing highlights next year?

Thought I heard that earlier this year?

Dunno what I'll do now that eir sport won't have coverage next year.

Think they have highlights for every race, and full coverage for the British GP

elperello · 25-11-2018 08:11PM

https://www.channel4.com/4viewers/blog/formula-1-coverage-update

Yes that's the deal, qualifying and race highlights for every race except British GP which will be live.

It's a pity, I will miss KC and his insights during practice.

I suppose we are very lucky to get free access to any of the C4 coverage.

They really are a dream team.

Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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