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Arlene Foster, single-handedly and unintentionally paving the way forward for a UI

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    #32
    Feisar
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    The DUP have 10 seats, I wonder if Sinn Féin's 7 is enough to prop up the Conservative goverment? If I were mary Lou, I'd hop in for the craic now.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #33
    topper75
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    jimgoose wrote: »
    The best I'll say for good ol' "Chuckles" Foster is that she just might, albeit however unwittingly, be partially responsible for forcing a second Brexit referendum over the road, one in which sanity would presumably prevail. That said and aside, the woman is, like many of her colleagues, a blinkered and incorrigible arsehole.

    Clearly she doesn't suit you. What you want is not her yardstick though.

    I can't believe anybody on these islands is still talking about a second referendum! Serious denial stage grief.

    Despite the press excitement of yesterday, my money is still on no deal and out by March.


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    #34
    jimgoose
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    topper75 wrote: »
    Clearly she doesn't suit you. What you want is not her yardstick though.

    I can't believe anybody on these islands is still talking about a second referendum! Serious denial stage grief.

    Despite the press excitement of yesterday, my money is still on no deal and out by March.

    So is mine. And good enough for them - talk about sawing off the branch upon which one sits. And they'll take the shower up in Norn Iron with them, and Chuckles is greatly facilitating that, and more power to her. Fuck 'em. :D


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    #35
    Agricola
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    Scottish MPs will invariably standup for Scottish voters.

    Welsh MPs will stand up for Welsh voters.

    Only in Norn Iron do their MP's stand up for English voters :confused:


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    #36
    OldRio
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    topper75 wrote: »
    You don't get politics then. The objective from here perspective is to keep the 6 counties in a union with Britain. Not to be a nice person. She is doing her job brilliantly. If you have difficulty respecting her for that, well...
    What? Seriously?
    Her and the ultra right wing of the Tory party are making an United Ireland a real possibility. The irony is utterly delicious.

    Deal or no deal?Another referendum? An election? A Labour government?


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    #37
    seamus
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    topper75 wrote: »
    You don't get politics then. The objective from here perspective is to keep the 6 counties in a union with Britain. Not to be a nice person. She is doing her job brilliantly. If you have difficulty respecting her for that, well...
    I don't respect anyone who sticks to their principles regardless of their impact. Having a plan and sticking to it is not in isolation a personality trait to be admired, respected or applauded.


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    #38
    Thatnastyboy
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    seamus wrote: »
    I don't respect anyone who sticks to their principles regardless of their impact. Having a plan and sticking to it is not in isolation a personality trait to be admired, respected or applauded.

    Agreed, just like how about 50% of the United Kingdom is contented with sending their futures down the jaxy so they can have blue passports and white dog-shit


    Pretty poor principles to stick to, the only difference is the fact that in the eyes of her conservative peers & the population of the 'mainland' - she's just as much of a pixie headed little irish paddy as the rest of us.


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    #39
    steddyeddy
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, but it's not a game. Playing dirty and ugly but winning the game is to be respected.

    Playing dirty and ugly politics is not. Because it's not a game. Anyone who treats it as one should be considered a psychopath.

    Arlene Foster is a disgusting human being who will happily rain misery on one group of people so long as it benefits "her" group of people.

    The problem is it doesn't benefit her people. She just follows and represents their ideologies. The problem is that those ideologies are what keeps her people locked in social and economic poverty. Voting brexit to rid themselves of what they see as a papal conspiracy (Rome rule) is an example of that.


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    #40
    Movementarian
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    sexmag wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1062451464180785155?s=19

    She's playing a blinder in my opinion but fun to watch

    She cant make her mind up if it will be Dublin or Brussels who have control

    Ah yes the DUP. The annoying self important chip on everyones shoulder that deep down knows they are completely irrelavant in everyones world view. And to compensate for this they go out of their way to be as contrarian as humanly possible.

    Classic irony from them again in that they dont want to be separate from the Unions laws. Except of course when it suits them to be entirely seperate from the Unions laws with abortion etc.

    You cant beat the DUP for nonsensical arguments.


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    #41
    steddyeddy
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    topper75 wrote: »
    You don't get politics then. The objective from here perspective is to keep the 6 counties in a union with Britain. Not to be a nice person. She is doing her job brilliantly. If you have difficulty respecting her for that, well...

    She is voting to remove the poorest part of the UK from the largest single market in the world. In other words she's voting to make the UK a a far harder place to make a living in. If she wanted to make the case that NI is better in the UK then she should

    A) Respect the views of the UK in regards to homosexuality and abortion
    B) Not fan the flames of sectarianism that keep NI far poorer than the neighbouring republic
    C) Not block the actual government of NI because of some hatred of a pre-agree Irish language act
    D) Not vote for Brexit and doom NI, the poorest part of the UK and Ireland to being substantially worse off by being out of a trading arrangement.

    She is making a united Ireland a far more attractive place to Catholics who previously sat on the fence in this regard and even unionists. Look at the Channel 4 report below and you'll see senior unionists talk about a potential united Ireland. This has happened under a DUP government. I can't see how she has been good for unionism. I'll leave you with the fact that under her government unionism is no longer the majority.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBtuwSixYoE


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    #42
    circadian
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    Having grown up in the north during the troubles I remember those days. I know a fair few moderate unionists who voted to remain, they are also, cautiously, talking about the possibility of a united Ireland provided there was significant funding from the EU to bring NI into this century.

    They see that NI is already trailing behind the UK, is hindered by the DUP dragging their heels and actively sowing division. They agree that leaving the EU will put NI in a position much worse than it is already in.

    Along with Nationalists in the north, many moderate unionists would also seriously consider a united Ireland on the basis of access to the trading bloc. They see the benefits and since younger generations in NI are less invested in the politics of old, would much prefer to have a better quality of life than some archaic political ideal.

    The DUP is reaching it's last stand and I suspect that if an election was called they'd suffer and come very close to losing the power they hold, possibly losing it completely. There will be absolutely no benefits to NI in Brexit. Nothing. The vote itself shows that England don't even have a second thought about NI, I can't see any significant change that would result in resources on what will be a strained economy being provided to NI.


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    #43
    Suckler
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    circadian wrote: »
    The DUP is reaching it's last stand and I suspect that if an election was called they'd suffer and come very close to losing the power they hold, possibly losing it completely.

    If it came to that, the sad part of this is that we're left with Sinn Fein filling the void for the most part. Hopefully a few new parties/other parties will then be able raise the party standard an we may start to see some modicum of common sense come in to voting.


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    #44
    circadian
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    Suckler wrote: »
    If it came to that, the sad part of this is that we're left with Sinn Fein filling the void for the most part. Hopefully a few new parties/other parties will then be able raise the party standard an we may start to see some modicum of common sense come in to voting.

    I agree considering the SDLP are pretty much dead in the water, they have been in decline since Hume resigned which is a shame. The Alliance party are still small but I know a few of their councillors and they are generally more focused on getting things done rather than focusing on the old sectarian politics. Whether or not they can fill that void remains to be seen.


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    #45
    sbsquarepants
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    topper75 wrote: »
    As a southern nationalist I won't see eye to eye with her on Irish constitutional issues but that doesn't stop me respecting her as a formidable lady. She was elected to a post and she is doing it well. I wouldn't play poker with her.

    I wouldn't poker either.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well articulated, how anyone can accord this woman praise is beyond me. An insignificant sectarian party propping up Theresa's government, disproportionate power abused to the hilt. Let's fawn over a bulldog chewing wasps.

    I'm with you - she basically personifies the reason why northern Ireland is the basket case it is. She's a wretched horrible human being.


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    #46
    Berserker
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    Arlene's job is to represent the people of NI and the people who voted for her, to be more specific. Little doubt in my mind that she is doing exactly that. I get that posters on here don't agree with her view on matters but you can't deny that she's representing them.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    She is voting to remove the poorest part of the UK from the largest single market in the world. In other words she's voting to make the UK a a far harder place to make a living in.

    Makes no difference. NI does not have a functioning economy. I get the impression that people are thinking of NI as a mini version of the south in economic terms. It's not.

    The points you have made will have no effect on NI once London keeps providing the cash to keep the public sector going. If and when the private sector takes a nose-dive, it's not going upset the NI apple-cart too much. The NI private sector is made up of companies who came in, with a helping hand in financial terms after the GFA was put in place. I used to do work up there for one of them and the one of the directors from the US told me that the money they pump into Belfast is spare change for that company. They are not going to up sticks either. NI might be one of the poorest parts of the UK but it's financial place is pretty safe.


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    #47
    cgcsb
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    score2020 wrote: »
    i have to admit i have huge respect for her,
    she will stand for her community
    unlike the spineless snakes in ff and fg

    Well she stands for her brother-in-laws wood pellet company to be exact. Her community got Brexit, an epic act of shooting self in the foot.


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    #48
    cgcsb
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    I'd say she has a big set of balls on her that look like a hairy brain.

    In fairness she did get a female haircut recently, perhaps on the demands of the UK papers following her newly found fame.


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    #49
    steddyeddy
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Well she stands for her brother-in-laws wood pellet company to be exact. Her community got Brexit, an epic act of shooting self in the foot.

    Her husband, Brian is a farmer too right?


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    #50
    Odhinn
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Arlene's job is to represent the people of NI and the people who voted for her, to be more specific. Little doubt in my mind that she is doing exactly that. I get that posters on here don't agree with her view on matters but you can't deny that she's representing them.


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    She doesn't represent the majority



    "With regards to the 2016 Brexit referendum vote, 44.2% of people in Northern Ireland voted to leave the EU, while 55.8% voted to remain. "
    https://www.thejournal.ie/northern-ireland-brexit-leave-voters-4275457-Oct2018/
    https://www.thejournal.ie/northern-ireland-brexit-leave-voters-4275457-Oct2018/


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    #51
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Arlene's job is to represent the people of NI and the people who voted for her, to be more specific. Little doubt in my mind that she is doing exactly that. I get that posters on here don't agree with her view on matters but you can't deny that she's representing them.

    No she's not. She's pursuing a narrow Unionist/British agenda purely based on ideology and not in anyway remotely connected to economic reality. 56% voted remain in NI as did 58% in her own constituency. A remain majority continues to be shown in subsequent opinion polls for the region. It's joke to pretend she is in any way 'representing' the people of NI on this matter.


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    #52
    Berserker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    No she's not. She's pursuing a narrow Unionist/British agenda purely based on ideology and not in anyway remotely connected to economic reality. 56% voted remain in NI as did 58% in her own constituency. A remain majority continues to be shown in subsequent opinion polls for the region. It's joke to pretend she is in any way 'representing' the people of NI on this matter.

    What economic reality are you on about? Do you know anything about NI's economy? The markets could collapse this afternoon and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to it. If you are hoping that the financial implications of Brexit are going to be the catalyst for a UI then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are also not considering the impact that Brexit will have here. It's gonna cause a lot more problems and financial hardship than in NI.

    As for your first line, a Unionist politician pursuing a pro-Union agenda. Never thought I'd see the day. :rolleyes:


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    #53
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    Berserker wrote: »
    What economic reality are you on about? Do you know anything about NI's economy? The markets could collapse this afternoon and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to it. If you are hoping that the financial implications of Brexit are going to be the catalyst for a UI then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are also not considering the impact that Brexit will have here. It's gonna cause a lot more problems and financial hardship than in NI.

    As for your first line, a Unionist politician pursuing a pro-Union agenda. Never thought I'd see the day. :rolleyes:

    How about an ex-First Minister who wants to be First Minister again leading by example? Never too widespread has lateral thinking been amongst Unionism. Representing the whole region? No.


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    #54
    maccored
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    Berserker wrote: »
    What economic reality are you on about? Do you know anything about NI's economy? The markets could collapse this afternoon and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to it. If you are hoping that the financial implications of Brexit are going to be the catalyst for a UI then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are also not considering the impact that Brexit will have here. It's gonna cause a lot more problems and financial hardship than in NI.

    As for your first line, a Unionist politician pursuing a pro-Union agenda. Never thought I'd see the day. :rolleyes:

    the point is she isnt representing the majority. because the majority in her constituency (and the north in general) dont want brexit.


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    #55
    ToddyDoody
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    "The turkey that voted for Christmas", a biography.


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    #56
    Grayson
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Well she stands for her brother-in-laws wood pellet company to be exact. Her community got Brexit, an epic act of shooting self in the foot.

    I never knew that.


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    #57
    maxwell smart
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Her husband, Brian is a farmer too right?

    Never mind Brexit, the above is real news to me. I thought she was a single and very willing to mingle type.


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    #58
    ZeroThreat
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    Berserker wrote: »
    What economic reality are you on about? Do you know anything about NI's economy? The markets could collapse this afternoon and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to it. If you are hoping that the financial implications of Brexit are going to be the catalyst for a UI then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are also not considering the impact that Brexit will have here. It's gonna cause a lot more problems and financial hardship than in NI.

    As for your first line, a Unionist politician pursuing a pro-Union agenda. Never thought I'd see the day. :rolleyes:

    If the consequences of Brexit on the British economy are severe enough to cause a significant reduction in the annual subvention to Northern Ireland, then I'd disagree.
    maxwell smart wrote: »
    Never mind Brexit, the above is real news to me. I thought she was a single and very willing to mingle type.

    Disappointed now, are we? Tbh she always reminds me of Robbie Coltrane in drag. :D
    Well, fair enough if you're into that sort of thing...


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    #59
    ohnonotgmail
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    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    If the consequences of Brexit on the British economy are severe enough to cause a significant reduction in the annual subvention to Northern Ireland, then I'd disagree.



    Disappointed now, are we? Tbh she always reminds me of Robbie Coltrane in drag. :D
    Well, fair enough if you're into that sort of thing...


    I'd rather sleep with robbie.


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    #60
    circadian
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    Berserker wrote: »
    What economic reality are you on about? Do you know anything about NI's economy? The markets could collapse this afternoon and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to it. If you are hoping that the financial implications of Brexit are going to be the catalyst for a UI then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are also not considering the impact that Brexit will have here. It's gonna cause a lot more problems and financial hardship than in NI.

    As for your first line, a Unionist politician pursuing a pro-Union agenda. Never thought I'd see the day. :rolleyes:

    You can be certain, that the government in London will cut as much funding from NI as needed to prop up Brexit. Especially if the UK economy is hit hard. Let's not forget that the Tories are more than happy to sell off and privatise the public sector, why on earth would they want to continue to dump cash into the NI Civil Service?


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    #61
    arse..biscuits
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    United Ireland.....

    Tiocfaidh Arlene


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