Arlene Foster, single-handedly and unintentionally paving the way forward for a UI

klaaaz

blanch152 wrote: »

I am as qualified as the quack that did the report for Sinn Fein.

As for the junior IMF economist, I wouldn't have faith in his work either.

I don't do the bow down to expert opinion that others do, I look at their work and critically analyse. Both of those reports have been discussed at length previously in the politics threads and both of them have been ridiculed for their naive assumptions.

P.S. I see the resident silent SF co-ordinator gave you a thanks for your post, enough for me to know I am on the right track

Oh, our unionist friend. you keep digging holes for yourself. The IMF economist is Senior not junior and is foreign ahem nothing to do with SF, did you not read the article or are you one of those Daily Mail types who only reads the headlines?
So please show us all how you have critically analysed the Senior IMF economist's report of an United Ireland? Gwan, please show us, we be enlightened to know your qualified expert opinion at the top level of our nation's decisions makers! Oops again as Britney Spears once said, you're just an internet poster spouting nonsense!!

smelly sock

Brits out now.

Fann Linn

smelly sock wrote: »

Brits out now.

And leave the £39,000,000,000 at the door, cnuts!

Hotblack Desiato

Deleted User wrote: »

De Valera to his eternal credit not only gave explicit recognition to the Jewish religion in 1930s Europe, but he refused to follow the UK example by making one denomination the state church.

He didn't need to. The RCC controlled the state and everything it did.

Hotblack Desiato

smelly sock wrote: »

Brits out now.

Are you going to ethnically cleanse 750,000 unionists, or are you going to make an accommodation with them?

facehugger99

klaaaz wrote: »

Still perpetuating the "unaffordable" myth we see.
https://www.thejournal.ie/united-ireland-costings-4144760-Jul2018/


I trust the word of a top IMF economist over someone spouting nonsense on an internet forum.

Fairy stories for Shinnerbots Vol 1.:rolleyes:

It would be an economic devastating decision for both the Republic and NI - the turkeys up there ain't gonna vote for Christmas and we're not taking on the bill either - sorry

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/united-ireland-would-see-living-standards-in-republic-fall-by-15-1.3629748

smelly sock

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Are you going to ethnically cleanse 750,000 unionists, or are you going to make an accommodation with them?

Born in the 32 counties you are Irish. If you dont like it leave.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Fairy stories for Shinnerbots Vol 1.:rolleyes:

Ahh "Shinnerbot", that's so "I was a mod on the Politics forum 10 years ago" of you. You're decidedly not good at supporting your nonsense assertions in this thread with facts, I notice.

ToddyDoody

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Are you going to ethnically cleanse 750,000 unionists, or are you going to make an accommodation with them?

Tyrone, Derry and Fermanagh would surely vote to join the Republic post a crappy Brexit situation.

Would help the border counties a lot. Alas, a pipe dream I'm sure.

Nidgeweasel

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Tyrone, Derry and Fermanagh would surely vote to join the Republic post a crappy Brexit situation.

Would help the border counties a lot. Alas, a pipe dream I'm sure.

+ Armagh and + Tyrone

It’s only north down and Antrim where themmuns are suck in.

Blazer

facehugger99 wrote: »

Fairy stories for Shinnerbots Vol 1.:rolleyes:

It would be an economic devastating decision for both the Republic and NI - the turkeys up there ain't gonna vote for Christmas and we're not taking on the bill either - sorry

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/united-ireland-would-see-living-standards-in-republic-fall-by-15-1.3629748

christ would SF stop trotting out the bull**** NI would pay for it in a couple of years.
There's 200k working in the public sector half of which would have to fired if we ever united. We have approx 300k for 26 counties and somehow NI has 200k...talk about overbalanced.
I wonder do their economic forecasts cover that?

Lucy8080

Seems today's D.U.P. position is that to accept May's deal will endanger the Union.

The Scots are asking why they cannot have what the D.U.P. have been offered.

The D.U.P. seem to be facilitating Scottish Independence arguments.

Something that will actually see the end of the Union!

W.T.F.?

BoatMad

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Seems today's D.U.P. position is that to accept May's deal will endanger the Union.

The Scots are asking why they cannot have what the D.U.P. have been offered.

The D.U.P. seem to be facilitating Scottish Independent arguments.

Something that will actually see the end of the Union!

W.T.F.?

The only solution now is a 2nd referendum. stay in or leave on wto grounds

The Tories cannot get any deal over the line and Labour is just as divided

The people , now must be asked to spell out the consequences they accept as part of their collective decision

There is now , no other answer , may is doomed , the deal is doomed

The Uk can ask for and would be given an extension to article 50 deadline to give then time to hold a second referendum

BoatMad

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Seems today's D.U.P. position is that to accept May's deal will endanger the Union.

The Scots are asking why they cannot have what the D.U.P. have been offered.

The D.U.P. seem to be facilitating Scottish Independence arguments.

Something that will actually see the end of the Union!

W.T.F.?

The dup will soon have zero influence and NI will of course be sacrificed in any overall uk plan . ( notwithstanding the sacrifice woyid be in NIs best interests )

seamus

smelly sock wrote: »

Born in the 32 counties you are Irish. If you dont like it leave.

Yeah, that worked out really well the other way. Born in the six counties, British. If you don't like it leave.

Everyone left peacefully and without incident, right? :rolleyes:

Violence and acceptance is the single biggest issue facing unification, and the main reason that could cause us to vote against it. I don't want some backwards animals setting off bombs in an argument over meaningless ideas like nationality.

Laois_Man

Blazer wrote: »

christ would SF stop trotting out the bull**** NI would pay for it in a couple of years.
There's 200k working in the public sector half of which would have to fired if we ever united. We have approx 300k for 26 counties and somehow NI has 200k...talk about overbalanced.
I wonder do their economic forecasts cover that?

Add to that the fact that N. Ireland costs £20 billion per year to run and only £9 billion of that is generated within N. Ireland

murpho999

Laois_Man wrote: »

Add to that the fact that N. Ireland costs £20 billion per year to run and only £9 billion of that is generated within N. Ireland

This comes up all the time.

Are we a country or an economy?

Thatnastyboy

murpho999 wrote: »

This comes up all the time.

Are we a country or an economy?

Both, it's intertwined really - you can't do much of anything without money.



as a wise man once said "pride is all well and good to look at, but you can't ate it"

Laois_Man

murpho999 wrote: »

This comes up all the time.

Are we a country or an economy?

We are a country - of 26 counties!

Avatar MIA

Laois_Man wrote: »

We are a country - of 26 counties!

Ah here, nothing [too] bad about Laois, Louth, Westmeath, Leitrim, Roscommon or Longford.

murpho999

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Both, it's intertwined really - you can't do much of anything without money.



as a wise man once said "pride is all well and good to look at, but you can't ate it"

What wise man?

I just feel strongly that a place's statehood should not be purely driven by economic reasons but based on the aspirations of the leaders and people.

If we were to always follow economic reasons then Ireland would never have left the UK in 1922 and nor would any smaller territory ever breakaway from a larger one.

The economy will work itself out.

Thatnastyboy

murpho999 wrote: »

What wise man?

I just feel strongly that a places statehood should not be purely driven by economic reasons but based on the aspirations of the leaders and people.

If we were to always follow economic reasons then Ireland would never have left the UK in 1922 and nor would any smaller territory ever breakaway from a larger one.

The economy will work itself out.

Not sure about his name but I think he took the soup...


Hey, people are entitled to declare their opinions - some folk won't want a UI because of economical reasons, some won't want one for social reasons, some won't want one for whatever reasons they choose. Others will want one.

The fact remains, NI is an economical basket case, voters from the republic would be completely entitled to accept or reject this burden for whatever reason - but usually when faced with a hit to the pocket - the people on the fence will go with their wallets.


Personally, I'm easy - a 32 county republic (not a socialist one for me though) would be great, I would take a small hit to the wallet initially but not at the expense of a rejuvenation of sectarian violence and upheaval from extremists (no matter their creed)

murpho999

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Not sure about his name but I think he took the soup...


Hey, people are entitled to declare their opinions - some folk won't want a UI because of economical reasons, some won't want one for social reasons, some won't want one for whatever reasons they choose. Others will want one.

The fact remains, NI is an economical basket case, voters from the republic would be completely entitled to accept or reject this burden for whatever reason - but usually when faced with a hit to the pocket - the people on the fence will go with their wallets.


Personally, I'm easy - a 32 county republic (not a socialist one for me though) would be great, I would take a small hit to the wallet initially but not at the expense of a rejuvenation of sectarian violence and upheaval from extremists (no matter their creed)

Well if NI did decide to leave I'm sure it would be a gradual transition and an economic deal would be done with the UK.

Also, maybe joining Ireland might be better for their economy too?

7aubzxk43m2sni

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/update-tory-mps-submit-letters-calling-for-no-confidence-vote-in-theresa-may-885742.html

The Ulster Farmers Union (UFU), an organisation representing the interests of 11,500 family farms in Northern Ireland, has called on the DUP to support the proposed Brexit deal.

The influential UFU has said a no-deal would be "absolutely disastrous" for the agri-food and farming industry in the North.

The DUP, which has vowed to vote against the agreed EU/UK text, traditionally draws significant support from the farming community.

The move by the UFU comes as key business groups in Northern Ireland have also voiced support for Theresa May's Brexit deal.

twinytwo

Simon Uninterested Gray wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/update-tory-mps-submit-letters-calling-for-no-confidence-vote-in-theresa-may-885742.html

Poor old Arlene does not seem to understand that its not the 60's anymore - only a very small minority care about her cause/rhetoric. There is no more BA/Intelligence Services to prop up her dying cause.

Thankfully, hatred of Sinn Fein/Ireland/Catholics does not put food on the tables of the people of NI

never_mind

My gracious fans and followers. I have not much to add to this discussion but that I want to say that Arlene Foster is what I would term as a perverted aul goat. Best wishes, from the desk of never_mind

cgcsb

Laois_Man wrote: »

Add to that the fact that N. Ireland costs £20 billion per year to run and only £9 billion of that is generated within N. Ireland

From where have you plucked these numbers?
The way the NI deficit is calculated, not even Whitehall knows for sure how much it costs.

AdrianLM

Most of her constituents voted against leaving the EU. So you could say that they do care. However when it comes to the next election she's still going to be their candidate and because of the quirks of NI politics she'll get in because unionists aren't going to vote for SF or anyone else. She thrives on the politics of divisiveness because she knows that it's all she has to do.

I wouldn't be to sure about that. The fact that the DUP have up until now ignored the fact that the majority of people in NI want to remain in the EU and now that the DUP are ignoring the UFU and small business federation and voting against the deal, there will very likely be a swing in vote back to the UUP in the next election.

facehugger99

The Irish electorate has consistently rejected the notion of paying more, even for necessary infrastructural investment such as Irish Water.

The very first time a politician mentions a reunification tax, the idea of a UI will be killed stone dead.

Let's continue with the present scenario where we all pretend unification is 20 years away (it's always around 20 years away). Soon enough to see in the average person's lifetime but no immediate prospect of having to pay for it - perfect.

jmayo

bnt wrote: »

I know there is diversity in schooling, but nowhere near enough. There are semi-weekly stories in the papers about parents forced to get their kids baptised just so they can go to a school in their catchment area. I think Scotland is the model: religious schools are on the way out there, slowly.

I would actually say half of that is shyte pushed by a media that is pretty anti catholic.
As far as I am aware some people have been doing that to try ensure their kids get into a particular school, not necessarily the one in their immediate catchment area.

klaaaz wrote: »

What a knee jerk typical hardline Unionist response, oops maybe an opinion engrossed by the Indo's tabloid scaremongering nonsense?.
The IMF guy actually studied all the facts and any assumptions that occur in such a scenario, you are not qualified to diss the expert's work on the issue. Plus its frecking amazing that you have spoken for business leaders, the workers and social welfare recipients, is that you Edward Carson reborn??

So anyone that raises the huge cost that NI would bring is a hardline unionist.

In that case you are going to find a lot of hardline unionists down here. :rolleyes:

murpho999 wrote: »

This comes up all the time.

Are we a country or an economy?

You don't have much of a country without an economy.

Contrary to some of a certain persuasion you can't just go out and nick more money when you feel like it.

It is always marvelous how many are for saddling the Irish state i.e. the ROI, with the massive cost of trying to run NI when in all likelihood it aint going to be them paying the increased taxes. :rolleyes:

And it is not just the case of all those public servants it is the case of increasing our police and military spending ten fold to cope with those loyalists who are going to be malcontented.

And someone claiming they can pee off just shows how freaking childish their argument is and how little they have thought about the long term consequences.