Arlene Foster, single-handedly and unintentionally paving the way forward for a UI

feargale

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Britannia can indeed rule the waves once more.

We should let others get exercised about Britannia ruling the waves again. Given how the Germans have been doing, not to talk of an emerging China, and in time India, and the picture of former vassal states such as Canada and Australia catching up, I wouldn't be going to the bookies to put money on it, even if Bermuda and Pitcairn are still within the fold. Say, instead of this Trumpian nonsense of being great again, why not concentrate on just being good, especially given the uncertainty that lies ahead.Why not free yourselves from Trumpian exceptionalism and accept that you are one of many nations that need more than ever to cooperate in the face of climate change and international terrorism.

Britain entered into a binding international treaty with Ireland which ended decades of conflict and rather than going gung-ho nationalist you would now be better engaged trying to persuade others to honour that treaty. Too many prominent politicians across the Irish Sea would dump it without a thought for the possible terrible consequences in Northern Ireland in particular. It seems they want to exercise control over NI without having responsibility for it. That and their primary motivation being the pursuit of power should illustrate to you and others what amoral SOBs they are and how little they care about any part of Ireland.

Observing a treaty is a moral as well as a legal obligation. Rule the waves again if you can and if you must, but please don't waive the rules again.

cgcsb

josip wrote: »

Curious to know why this would be written off?
They have contributed to this debt, at least as much per capita as the rest of the UK.

Because they'd also be writing off assets that NI can't possibly keep, Buckingham palace, strident etc.

cgcsb

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

There are a lot of bitter people around, disappointed that they cannot indulge themselves in unrestrained schadenfreude. The disturbing truth for them is that the UK has done what they believed would not be possible - have their cake and eat it. The joke is on the other foot and its not laughing now.

Sure there are benefits and disadvantages to being in the EU. And for being outside it. And nutters on both ends of the Europhile and Little Englander spectrum. But Prime Minister May has pulled off an extraordinary middle ground here that delivers the best of both worlds. It was never going to satisfy the ideologues at the extreme ends, but, despite their noise, they are few anyway.
This deal really sets sail for a very bright future indeed for the UK; in trade with the EU, competitive advantage over the EU, and the freedom to conquer the wider trade world once more.

Britannia can indeed rule the waves once more.

And Ireland can be part of that great journey if it has the gumption to recognise it.

Nobody in England is satisfied with the deal.

cgcsb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Snarlene and her gang of fellow bible thumpers seem quite quiet since Wednesday evening. I wonder are the many voices in favour of this deal from within the NI business community and especially the agricultural sector, where there would be a considerable number of DUP voters, causing them to consider their position?

The unionist community is not behind the DUP on this one.

The Rape of Lucretia

cgcsb wrote: »

Nobody in England is satisfied with the deal.

That doesnt mean it isnt a good deal though. Its a fricking great deal.

The mistake made in the Brexit implementation of the will of the people, was to not solve the internal Conservative Party conflict between Remain and Brexit. Instead, they elected a leader who was a Remainer, but became an implementer of Brexit.

And, from a conventional perspective, has done a truly superb job. The deal is indeed the best of both worlds, both within and with the best EU relationship of any country, yet outside it, with some freedoms that can exploit particular strengths of the UK. It is a very well negotiated, cogent, rational, 'compromise' between two extremes. And exactly what normally works in normal win-win motivated negotiation and compromise solution oriented situations.

But in this particular case, with two polarised and mutually exclusive ideologically motivated positions, it ends up being what nobody wants, politically it is as tough a nut to crack as one gets. Hence the current impasse.
Her one personal mistake was the election, which made more difficult, but not crippled, her chances.

A compromise of any sort was always going to unacceptable to all factions - and politically acceptable to nobody. Neither extreme side really wanted the job they should have done though - either a elect a Brexit PM to implement a true strong seperatist Brexit, or, elect a remainer to drive through the softest Brexit they could achieve. At lease the two sides would have battled it out, and there would have been a clear winner and loser. But both factions were cowards in this regard, and May ended up holding the baby.

There is a chance, that she will triumph. And be the hero of the hour, and what will be regarded by all, in time, as a saviour and making of the UK : if somehow, she can call the bluffs around her on all sides, and push the deal through by whatever means, she will have pulled off the leadership and politically masterstroke of our time. And the UK will flourish, having its cake, and eating it.

ToddyDoody

steddyeddy wrote: »

It seems unbelievable coming from from the leader of a party in power in Northern Ireland but Arelene Foster's annoyed that business leaders in NI like the latest Brexit deal. Do people still think she's fighting for her community?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

Is it me or is the issue of the union more one for the monarchy than any political party? I know the Royal family are above matters of politics but given where they find themelves maybe there's more of a role for them in all of this.

Lucy8080

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its a synonym for a country with a great future for business, growth, and rising prosperity for its citizens. He is spot on.

Of course it is!

If one has millions in their back pocket,falling house prices, folding businesses/farms, and everything that goes with a disastrous brexit, is a boon for the wealthy.

They get to set the terms. They are immune from the fall-out.Personal wealth sees to that.

Meanwhile...the rich get richer.Ordinary folks are just collateral damage who carry the burden of the loss of jobs /houses/farms.