Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:09PM

I’m amazed at the amount of so called educated people who fell for this red herring littered programme...

Avery is a killer. More bloody evidence than they had for OJ, yet so many people are being hoodwinked by a desperate and illogical defense...

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:10PM

Why would he not crush the car right away ? Some people have said, yeah, but it takes time, you have to remove fluids and some other bits like engine...

Surely though, that's what he's grown up with, he could have done all that for the one single car in a very short time ? He would have known his blood was in it, if really it was, surely that's an incentive to move his butt and destroy it asap ?

Commanchie · 28-10-2018 10:16PM

walshb wrote: »

I’m amazed at the amount of so called educated people who fell for this red herring littered programme...

Avery is a killer. More bloody evidence than they had for OJ, yet so many people are being hoodwinked by a desperate and illogical defense...

Illogical? Really how?

Whats illogical is the prosecution none of it adds up. An entire semi circumstantial case any normal justice system A Nolles Prosqui would of been called.

Reasonable doubt was achieved when brendans interviews were played to the court. A judge in ireland would take it from the juries hands and order a not guilty I have no doubt in my mind and I work in a field that Id deal with many of these specifics.

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:19PM

Guilty as sin...tonnes of evidence...

And the defenses red herrings doesn’t change that

In a nutshell the programme and defense want people to believe that all this evidence is tainted and planted. All of it. Utter bull...

Go read up on the other side. The overwhelming evidence that tells us that Avery is the killer..

Then blame all this overwhelming evidence on a corrupt prosecution...

Ludicrous..

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:28PM

walshb wrote: »

Guilty as sin...tonnes of evidence...

And the defenses red herrings doesn’t change that

In a nutshell the programme and defense want people to believe that all this evidence is tainted and planted. All of it. Utter bull...

Go read up on the other side. The overwhelming evidence that tells us that Avery is the killer..

Then blame all this overwhelming evidence on a corrupt prosecution...

Ludicrous..

Could you provide a link to "the other side" please ?

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:31PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Could you provide a link to "the other side" please ?

Google it...

Plenty there to tell the actual facts/details...

Doesn’t rely on desperation and red herrings..

Potential Underachiever · 28-10-2018 10:32PM

Walshb, you have your own opinion, that's cool, no need to be insulting the intelligence of anyone that doesn't agree with it.

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:34PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Walshb, you have your own opinion, that's cool, no need to be insulting the intelligence of anyone that doesn't agree with it.

Hardly insulting. I am just amazed how gullible and naive and taken in so many people are with this clearly agenda driven biased show...

Btw, anyone have any idea who did murder the woman, if it wasn’t Avery?

Cops, are they out searching for the real killer(s)?

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:36PM

walshb wrote: »

Google it...

Plenty there to tell the actual facts/details...

Doesn’t rely on desperation and red herrings..

So you base your judgment on the same as us, the internet and the media really.

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:37PM

walshb wrote: »

Hardly insulting. I am just amazed how gullible and naive and taken in so many people are with this clearly agenda driven biased show...

Btw, anyone have any idea who did murder the woman, if it wasn’t Avery?

Cops, are they out searching for the real killer(s)?

Exactly the points people have been making here.

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:38PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

So you base your judgment on the same as us, the internet and the media really.

No....

Read up on the evidence presented at the actual trial..

The man is guilty....tried in court and found guilty. And it was the correct decision based off the overwhelming evidence that was given..

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:41PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Exactly the points people have been making here.

And?

Have they any idea?

No, because maybe, just maybe, the cops know damn well that the right man was caught and convicted...

This is kids’ stuff....

Bunch of internet warriors are now crime experts and ballistics experts and trial lawyers, and they know what really happened..

You couldn’t make it up..

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:41PM

walshb wrote: »

No....

Read up on the evidence presented at the actual trial..

The man is guilty....tried in court and found guilty. And it was the correct decision based off the overwhelming evidence that was given..

I have read about the evidence, and it's all iffy.
I loved the documentary, but to be honest, had I just read about this trial and been shown the so-called evidence with all the caveats attached to it, I would have scaffolded my own doubts on it.

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:42PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I have read about the evidence, and it's all iffy.
I loved the documentary, but to be honest, had I just read about this trial and been shown the so-called evidence with all the caveats attached to it, I would have scaffolded my own doubts on it.

That’s fair enough...

Evidence can always be argued as iffy, depending on what you are listening to, or what side say so..

If you listen to only the defense, well....they’ll argue anything. That’s their job..

I just happen to think that this man is absolutely guilty..

Potential Underachiever · 28-10-2018 10:44PM

walshb wrote: »

And?

Have they any idea?

No, because maybe, just maybe, the cops know damn well that the right man was caught and convicted...

This is kids’ stuff....

Bunch of internet warriors are now crime experts and ballistics experts and trial lawyers, and they know what really happened..

You couldn’t make it up..

Are you Bobby Dassey or Scott Tadych per chance?

Why so aggressive?

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:45PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Are you Bobby Dassey or Scott Tadych per chance?

Why so aggressive?

Aggressive? You’re havin’ a laugh...

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-10-2018 10:47PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

So you base your judgment on the same as us, the internet and the media really.

Most in here are basing it on the doc.

Commanchie · 28-10-2018 10:49PM

walshb wrote: »

Aggressive? You’re havin’ a laugh...

Stick to the boxing chum. Your knowledge of law is as elementary as KKs explantion of the abuse gate

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:49PM

walshb wrote: »

And?

Have they any idea?

No, because maybe, just maybe, the cops know damn well that the right man was caught and convicted...

This is kids’ stuff....

Bunch of internet warriors are now crime experts and ballistics experts and trial lawyers, and they know what really happened..

You couldn’t make it up..

Well I guess you've made your point, it seems to make you feel great, so good for you.

I haven't seen anyone here claiming to be a ballistic expert or anything though, people are just assessing whether what the experts are claiming on the show is credible.

For example, I put a lot of weight on arguments that it is very unusual for an item that may be handled by several people, to only have DNA from one single person.

It makes a lot of sense to me that anything that is likely to change hands or be handled by several people will show multiple DNA profiles.

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:51PM

The defense have fooled so many people with their sole claim that everything is not me big frame job by law enforcement. You know, law enforcement: Ordinary men and women in society doing a job for society...

Yes, we know bad things happen in law enforcement, but the defense are utterly desperate to claim that the evidence that proves Avery is a killer was all planted and part of a deliberate framing job...

But it looks like they have fooled people..

walshb · 28-10-2018 10:53PM

Commanchie wrote: »

Stick to the boxing chum. Your knowledge of law is as elementary as KKs explantion of the abuse gate

About as desperate an argument as Avery’s defense that...

Mountainsandh · 28-10-2018 10:57PM

walshb wrote: »

The defense have fooled so many people with their sole claim that everything is not me big frame job by law enforcement. You know, law enforcement: Ordinary men and women in society doing a job for society...

Yes, we know bad things happen in law enforcement, but the defense are utterly desperate to claim that the evidence that proves Avery is a killer was all planted and part of a deliberate framing job...

But it looks like they have fooled people..

So we all know it can happen, but we shouldn't ever consider it may have happened ? even when there was a potential 36 M$ involved ?

Commanchie · 28-10-2018 10:57PM

walshb wrote: »

About as desperate an argument as Avery’s defense that...

Youre right his defence team were desperate which will be highlighted when his conviction is finally vacated.

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-10-2018 10:58PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Are you Bobby Dassey or Scott Tadych per chance?

Why so aggressive?

Maybe he’s Avery setting his cat on fire, now that’s anger right there.

Potential Underachiever · 28-10-2018 10:58PM

Walshb you seem to think the cops or judges and juries never get it wrong yet Avery served 18 years previously on a wrongful conviction.

sReq | uTeK · 28-10-2018 10:59PM

walshb wrote: »

The defense have fooled so many people with their sole claim that everything is not me big frame job by law enforcement. You know, law enforcement: Ordinary men and women in society doing a job for society...

Yes, we know bad things happen in law enforcement, but the defense are utterly desperate to claim that the evidence that proves Avery is a killer was all planted and part of a deliberate framing job...

But it looks like they have fooled people..

Ahhhh, you’re over here these days and into over at the boxing.....

Same old rhetoric,

You think the officers were justified in their extraction of the interview from Brendan Dassy?

Do you think it strange that the prosecution, on multiple occasions find zilch and come back again and again and finally find something.

You think it weird that the Dogs trail around a quarry time and time again and then to the Rav, but never go through Avery’s yard and yet the cops never ever ever ever even suspected or investigated the quarry owner?b

There is DOUBT, He was convicted on CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence of which there should be no DOUBT.

Guilty or not the facts and the LAW you know so little about state he shouldn’t be behind bars

Pelvis · 28-10-2018 11:00PM

walshb wrote: »

The defense have fooled so many people with their sole claim that everything is not me big frame job by law enforcement. You know, law enforcement. Ordinary men and women in society does big a job for society...

Yes, we know bad things happen in law enforcement, but the defense are utterly desperate to claim that the evidence that proves Avery is a killer was all planted and part of a deliberate framing job...

But it looks like they have fooled people..

Instead of just insulting people. Why don't you address some of the points raised by the defense. For instance, the prosecution claimed the that Halbach was shot in the head, but analysis of the bullet shows this not to be true. What are your thoughts?

What are your thoughts on Halbachs Rav4 being spotted outside the property after she's reported missing. The witness tells officer Colburn about it, who calls dispatch that day to run the plates. What are your thoughts on this?

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-10-2018 11:00PM

Commanchie wrote: »

Youre right his defence team were desperate which will be highlighted when his conviction is finally vacated.

Is Johnnie Cochrane coming back from the dead? Because that’s the only chance he’s got.

Commanchie · 28-10-2018 11:04PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Is Johnnie Cochrane coming back from the dead? Because that’s the only chance he’s got.

KZL has proven track record.

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-10-2018 11:11PM

Commanchie wrote: »

KZL has proven track record.

I haven’t watched the second season but from the replies I have seen from people who think Avery is innocent she is blaming everyone under the sun and only doing it because of how big the documentary is. I expect her to gradually disassociate herself from the case once the hype dies down.

Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

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