Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

RocketRaccoon

Does anyone know when the photo was taken of Teresa standing beside her car holding the keys and camera?

walshb

Mam of 4 wrote: »

But the Coroner wasn't allowed any involvement , to do the job she's paid to do ? Why not ?

Could you imagine if someone died here and the authorities said no , we don't need the State Pathologist/Coroner to determine the cause of death as we know what happened ?

There would be a bleeding uproar and rightly so .

Too many loose ends , too many unanswered questions and apparent collusions to not have reasonable doubt in the convictions imo .

So ask why a professional judge made the ruling! It wasn’t the prosecution who made it.

Nothing to see here...

retro:electro

walshb wrote: »

Could the system be fixed or changed? Yes.

If you think they’re guilty then why do you think the system needs changing?

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

If you think they’re guilty then why do you think the system needs changing?

Yes, they are guilty. No sysyem is perfect..of course things could changed. Doesn’t mean that what is in place is always wrong.

You are simply coming from a defensive position. No matter what evidence is presented you would be swayed by a defense. That’s life. You fell for it all..

They received a fair trial and th jury heard it all..guilty..

Commanchie

walshb wrote: »

That’s just it...

I see no real issue with anyone querying how the whole affair went down.

The show wants to exonerate the men. It is not investigative journalism..

Could the system be fixed or changed? Yes. These men were tried and found guilty, and no new trial has been awarded. It’s never going to be a perfect system to suit everyone..

There has been a ridiculous hoopla since the show screaming for “innocent” men to be released based off this biased show.

They have the right men. The jurors heard both sides and the jurors came to the correct decision. The defense and the film makers want exoneration based off red herrings and technicalities and innuendo and hearsay..

The jurors didnt hear both sides. Your aware that alot was left out of the trial. Buting and Strang didnt query anything.

Mountainsandh

walshb wrote: »

Because that would be against the spirit of this ridiculously biased show...

Because TH's DNA was not found on these (very suspicious indeed) restraints.

retro:electro

walshb wrote: »

Yes, they are guilty. No sysyem is perfect..of course things could changed. Doesn’t mean that what is in place is always wrong.

You are simply coming from a defensive position. No matter what evidence is presented you would be swayed by a defense. That’s life. You fell for it all..

They received a fair trial and th jury heard it all..guilty..

But I’m asking what you think needs to be changed? You said the system needs changing. I’d like to hear your suggestions walshb.

Mam of 4

walshb wrote: »

So ask why a professional judge made the ruling! It wasn’t the prosecution who made it.

Nothing to see here...

Why would a professional judge rule that there was no need for the Coroner ?

That is as suspicious as feck in my eyes , in any murder case . Seriously .

Kitty6277

Excuse my forgetfulness, but what motive was Zellner claiming to say that Scott was involved?

Commanchie

Kitty6277 wrote: »

Excuse my forgetfulness, but what motive was Zellner claiming to say that Scott was involved?

At the time of Halbach’s murder, the mustachioed Tadych was dating Barb Janda, the sister of Steven Avery who lived next door to him (they’re now married). Janda is the mother of Bobby, Blaine, Bryan, and Brendan Dassey. In the series, Tadych delivers a strange statement to the press the day after Avery’s conviction, saying, “What happened yesterday is the best thing in the world,” adding, “He got what he got comin’ to him.”

According to Avery’s court filing, Tadych’s “previous experiences with the court system show him to be a violent and impulsive person, particularly towards women.” In 1994, Manitowoc County charged him with criminal trespass and battery, with the complaint alleging that Tadych visited the home of Constance Welnetz at 3 a.m., knocking on her bedroom window. Welnetz was asleep with a man named Martin LeClair, and as she called the police, Tadych is alleged to have walked into her home and told her, “You will die for this, bitch.” Then, LeClair went outside to confront Tadych and Tadych struck him, knocking him briefly unconscious.

It didn’t end there. In 2001, Welnetz filed a temporary restraining order against Tadych, alleging he’d call her “repeatedly at work within short periods of time,” threatened to “kick her ass,” followed her, and once pushed his way into her home. Then, in 2002, Tadych was arrested for assaulting Welnetz. After she allegedly tried to kick him out of her home for yelling at her son, Tadych “shoved Welnetz against the wall, took her phone and threw it on the floor so she could not call the police,” and “twice punched Welnetz in the shoulder with a closed fist,” according to Avery’s court filing.

Taken from online

retro:electro

walshb is gone very quiet all of a sudden..

Pelvis

walshb wrote: »

Yes, they are guilty. No sysyem is perfect..of course things could changed. Doesn’t mean that what is in place is always wrong.

You are simply coming from a defensive position. No matter what evidence is presented you would be swayed by a defense. That’s life. You fell for it all..

They received a fair trial and th jury heard it all..guilty..

Any chance of a reply Walshb? Did the jury hear the Halbach couldn't have been shot in the head with the bullet that was found, or that her car was sighted outside the property?

Pelvis wrote: »

Instead of just insulting people. Why don't you address some of the points raised by the defense. For instance, the prosecution claimed the that Halbach was shot in the head, but analysis of the bullet shows this not to be true. What are your thoughts?

What are your thoughts on Halbachs Rav4 being spotted outside the property after she's reported missing. The witness tells officer Colburn about it, who calls dispatch that day to run the plates. What are your thoughts on this?

walshb

Pelvis wrote: »

Any chance of a reply Walshb? Did the jury hear the Halbach couldn't have been shot in the head with the bullet that was found, or that her car was sighted outside the property?

Reply to what?

Fellas, they have the right men. Wake up!

The jury heard the prosecution and defense...

No amount of manipulation, red herrings and ifs and buts matter..

Guilty because the evidence presented at the trial was damning!

retro:electro

If you think they’re guilty then why does the system need changing? I’d like to hear your recommendations.
Throw around all the sound bites you want but if you can’t answer a simple question it’s clear as day you’re talking pony.

walshb

Btw, haven’t read through all 100 + pages here, but what sort of percentage believes that these men are innocent?

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

If you think they’re guilty then why does the system need changing? I’d like to hear your recommendations.
Throw around all the sound bites you want but if you can’t answer a simple question it’s clear as day you’re talking pony.

I am not in the legal-justice system..

I am not really qualified to say what needs changing..

Likely those in the field would be best able to argue that..

No system is perfect. We, as a society work with what we have...

Not sure why you are clinging to my comment on it..

Avery and Dassey were the two involved in ending that woman's life...

Pretty certain of this from what I know from both sides...

RocketRaccoon

walshb wrote: »

Reply to what?

Fellas, they have the right men. Wake up!

The jury heard the prosecution and defense...

No amount of manipulation, red herrings and ifs and buts matter..

Guilty because the evidence presented at the trial was damning!

And what about the evidence that wasn't presented?

There is no question whatsoever that these men are innocent. In my mind of course.

retro:electro

walshb wrote: »

Pretty certain of this from what I know from both sides...

Can you link us to what you’ve been reading “from both sides” that proves Brendan was involved? Thanks

walshb wrote: »

I am not in the legal-justice system..

Well knock me down with a feather.

walshb

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

And what about the evidence that wasn't presented?

There is no question whatsoever that these men are innocent. In my mind of course.

What about it?

The evidence that the defense and show makers talk about?

It’s nothing but desperation...

PokeHerKing

walshb wrote:

Fellas, they have the right men. Wake up!

walshb wrote:

Btw, haven’t read through all 100 + pages here, but what sort of percentage believes that these men are innocent?

You know the exact same justice system with many of the same people involved wrongly convicted him before, right?

I'm all for discussion but you're opinion is basically "I'm not a sheeple and I'm not falling for this hoodwink of a show".

You're not providing anything of substance to the debate.

RocketRaccoon

walshb wrote: »

What about it?

The evidence that the defense and show makers talk about?

It’s nothing but desperation...

Its really not. It shows Bobby Dassey to be very very suspicious, why was that Internet search history and the photos not shown in the original case? Why did Ken Kratz basically hide them from the defence?

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

Can you link us to what you’ve been reading “from both sides” that proves Brendan was involved? Thanks

I have nothing to prove to you. The law and the judiciary proved in a court of law the man’s involvement. He, himself admitted to it and provided details....

But..of course, you being so easily led will blame the law and society on this...Dassey was involved. He’s serving time because of his involvement..

Dassey was framed, coerced blah blah blah...of course he was, because that’s the only “argument” they have to save his ass!

Uncharted

walshb wrote: »

I have nothing to prove to you. The law and the judiciary proved in a court of law the man’s involvement. He, himself admitted to it and provided details....

But..of course, you being so easily led will blame the law and society on this...Dassey was involved. He’s serving time because of his involvement..

Dassey was framed, coerced blah blah blah...of course he was, because that’s the only “argument” they have to save his ass!

Have you actually watched the series or are you trolling?

walshb

PokeHerKing wrote: »

You know the exact same justice system with many of the same people involved wrongly convicted him before, right?

Yes. I think we’re all aware of that...

Doesn’t have anything to do with this heinous crime...

They got a correct conviction here because of the overwhelming evidence..

RocketRaccoon

walshb wrote: »

I have nothing to prove to you. The law and the judiciary proved in a court of law the man’s involvement. He, himself admitted to it and provided details....

But..of course, you being so easily led will blame the law and society on this...Dassey was involved. He’s serving time because of his involvement..

Dassey was framed, coerced blah blah blah...of course he was, because that’s the only “argument” they have to save his ass!

Avery was proved in a court of law to be guilty of rape in 1985.......

walshb

Uncharted wrote: »

Have you actually watched the series or are you trolling?

Yes. Watched season 1.....

And was amazed at how OTT biased and selective it was...

Decided to reason it out objectively and without bias...anyone who thinks that these men are innocent based off a one sided show.....silly beyond silly!

walshb

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Avery was proved in a court of law to be guilty of rape in 1985.......

Again, we all know this. Completely separate case. Linking them here to in any way claim a second wrong verdict is nothing but stupidity...

RocketRaccoon

walshb wrote: »

Again, we all know this. Completely separate case. Linking them here to in any way claim a second wrong verdict is nothing but stupidity...

No, it proves that sometimes juries and judges get things wrong.

RocketRaccoon

walshb wrote: »

Yes. Watched season 1.....

And was amazed at how OTT biased and selective it was...

Decided to reason it out objectively and without bias...anyone who thinks that these men are innocent based off a one sided show.....silly beyond silly!

How about watching season 2 then and coming back? I was on the fence regarding Steven Averys innocence after series 1 but after finishing the 2nd there is no doubt whatsoever that he is innocent.

retro:electro

walshb wrote: »

I have nothing to prove to you.

Well I wouldn’t expect much else out of you. Proof doesn’t seem to mean much to you does it walshb? Evidence be damned.
The rest of your post is just, whatever.