Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Peatys · 28-10-2018 08:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I gave u “thanks” accidentally. Wish there was a thumbs down for stupid posts like yours , people ask questions, posters reply in sincerity and backing up what they say ..... then get stupid put downs like yours :mad:

Not aimed at who you quoted, but your post is the reason why i don't get into back and fourths on here.

I will gladly discuss anything with someone face to face and take on board what they're saying, but mostly what you get on here is pro-forum-folk.

Straw man this, hyperbole that, vitriol, libtard, racist, black & white bla bla bla

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 08:43AM

If Casey does join FF does that mean his supporters will vote FF to lead us on this supposed revolution?

I thought Renua were the revolutionary party in waiting?

Also heard Casey say yesterday he is left leaning moreso than right. So did people think voting for a left leaning politician would show "da lefties" OR did he just lie about his orientation?

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 08:45AM

Pretzill wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not one of the huge Michael D supporters because of this election he didn't even get my number 1, but he's not some little person...he's a man of enduring political nounce, who has served the electorate here in Ireland for more years than I've lived. He is also our president and deserves a little respect. We live in a republic, we shouldn't feel ashamed by that.

I presume now that is supposed to read "political nuance"

I read it the first time as "political nonce"

:pac:

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 08:45AM

Patww79 wrote: »

I guarantee it was the social welfare thing that got most people. The traveller thing was just an easy out for the flakes to be able to shout 'racist' at people instead of facing up to anything

Jaysus did you miss all the Caseyites here championing Casey for wanting to solve rural crime across Ireland? Welfare barely touched the sides.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 08:46AM

pjohnson wrote: »

If Casey does join FF does that mean his supporters will vote FF to lead us on this supposed revolution?

I thought Renua were the revolutionary party in waiting?

Also heard Casey say yesterday he is left leaning moreso than right. So did people think voting for a left leaning politician would show "da lefties" OR did he just lie about his orientation?

You think he doesn't like boobs?

I'm sure he does. Who wouldn't!

enricoh · 28-10-2018 08:48AM

Patww79 wrote: »

I guarantee it was the social welfare thing that got most people. The traveller thing was just an easy out for the flakes to be able to shout 'racist' at people instead of facing up to anything

Absolutely, people sick to the back teeth of the welfare entitlement. Nothing in this budget or last one for workers trying to keep the show on the road. And on top of that seeing welfare recipients getting more than them.
Not one politician or anyone in the media (yer man boylan aside) asking any hard questions on the erica flemings n margaret cash's of this country. Instead just throw more taxpayer's money at them.
Casey did, didn't issue the standard press apology the next day n got 23% as a result. Fair play!

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 08:52AM

Carey is quite impressive. He has challenged the highly conservative, patronizing and inept (socially liberal, economically left leaning) media and political consensus and he won the argument hands down.

All they could do was sling the term ‘racist’ at him. They have failed to realize that there is a groundswell of people in Ireland who want actual and real societal and economic change - not just well meaning but insubstantial changes to our outdated old constitution.

Real change like tackling waste in our public services, no more jobs for life for civil servants who are non productive, proper analysis of social welfare spend, moving financial support to the frontline in health and education and tackling bureaucracy and inefficiency.

He has my support.

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 08:58AM

Pretzill wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not one of the huge Michael D supporters because of this election he didn't even get my number 1, but he's not some little person...he's a man of enduring political nounce, who has served the electorate here in Ireland for more years than I've lived. He is also our president and deserves a little respect. We live in a republic, we shouldn't feel ashamed by that.

What is ‘enduring political nounce’?

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-10-2018 09:04AM

enricoh wrote: »

Absolutely, people sick to the back teeth of the welfare entitlement. Nothing in this budget or last one for workers trying to keep the show on the road. And on top of that seeing welfare recipients getting more than them.
Not one politician or anyone in the media (yer man boylan aside) asking any hard questions on the erica flemings n margaret cash's of this country. Instead just throw more taxpayer's money at them.
Casey did, didn't issue the standard press apology the next day n got 23% as a result. Fair play!

Not only thrown at them but then have to listen to them saying it's not good enough. Hopefully he has instigated the beginning of some change. It was a great result in something he couldn't win anyway.

ThunbergsAreGo · 28-10-2018 09:07AM

Patww79 wrote: »

Not only thrown at them but then have to listen to them saying it's not good enough. Hopefully he has instigated the beginning of some change. It was a great result in something he couldn't win anyway.

Interestingly he also spent about 20% of Higgins Total spend on the campaign

What in God's name did Higgins spend 400k on, I didn't see any posters (LnR aside) and got no flyers from him

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1024/1006412-the-financial-cost-of-becoming-president/

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 09:07AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Carey is quite impressive. He has challenged the highly conservative, patronizing and inept (socially liberal, economically left leaning) media and political consensus and he won the argument hands down.

All they could do was sling the term ‘racist’ at him. They have failed to realize that there is a groundswell of people in Ireland who want actual and real societal and economic change - not just well meaning but insubstantial changes to our outdated old constitution.

Real change like tackling waste in our public services, no more jobs for life for civil servants who are non productive, proper analysis of social welfare spend, moving financial support to the frontline in health and education and tackling bureaucracy and inefficiency.

He has my support.

Ah now in fairness, it should be very very easy to find a better candidate with similar views to Casey.

He just stumbled onto a bit populist fortune. A smarter candidate would have done more with it

Atoms for Peace · 28-10-2018 09:08AM

Strange coincidence that in areas with high traveler population's Casey vote was strongest.

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 09:20AM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Strange coincidence that in areas with high traveler population's Casey vote was strongest.

No no. It was his welfare stance that appealed to Casey voters not his comments on travellers.

judeboy101 · 28-10-2018 09:26AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Interestingly he also spent about 20% of Higgins Total spend on the campaign

What in God's name did Higgins spend 400k on, I didn't see any posters (LnR aside) and got no flyers from him

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1024/1006412-the-financial-cost-of-becoming-president/

Hookers and blowjobs?

salmocab · 28-10-2018 09:36AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Interestingly he also spent about 20% of Higgins Total spend on the campaign

What in God's name did Higgins spend 400k on, I didn't see any posters (LnR aside) and got no flyers from him

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1024/1006412-the-financial-cost-of-becoming-president/

Higgins had plenty of posters, not as many as SF. Think i read none of the others had any.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 09:47AM

pjohnson wrote: »

No no. It was his welfare stance that appealed to Casey voters not his comments on travellers.

The stance where people on the dole were getting too much but when questioned he didn't actually know how much they were getting? :pac:

By all means have an opinion and a debate, but he should know the basic facts ffs

And going by the responses one here, a huge number saying they voted for him are immediately referencing issues with travellers. Not mentioning welfare so much.

Pretzill · 28-10-2018 09:50AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I presume now that is supposed to read "political nuance"

I read it the first time as "political nonce"

:pac:

No, nounce - quick witted, sharp.

Sofiztikated · 28-10-2018 09:52AM

salmocab wrote: »

Higgins had plenty of posters, not as many as SF. Think i read none of the others had any.

Higgins had 5,000 printed.
Ni Riada had 17,000 printed.
The rest were posterless.

At a fiver a piece, €25,000 and €85,000 respectively.

tretorn · 28-10-2018 09:59AM

I keep reading about what a marvellous President Higgins was and how Casey had no ideas to bring to the Presidency.
What ideas had Higgins got, as far as I can see his committment was to spend the next seven years doing what he has done since 2011 and that amounts to eating and drinking and going to every theatre gig in town as far as I can see. Its a bit like the emperors new clothes.
Why couldnt his accounts have been audited, should they not be audited on an annual basis. Are we to understand the soending hasnt been audited since 2011, have we anyway of knowing was the spending in line with previous incumbants in the role.
Does he think he is a member of an ethic minority group too and so doesnt have to supply auditing information.

tretorn · 28-10-2018 10:01AM

Pretzill wrote: »

No, nounce - quick witted, sharp.

Is that actually true or did you just read somewhere that he is quickwitted and sharp.

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 10:05AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah now in fairness, it should be very very easy to find a better candidate with similar views to Casey.

He just stumbled onto a bit populist fortune. A smarter candidate would have done more with it

He comes across well. He had only 3 weeks to campaign (due to MickyD's slight of hand) and scored heavily.

Deusexmachina · 28-10-2018 10:07AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

The stance where people on the dole were getting too much but when questioned he didn't actually know how much they were getting? :pac:

By all means have an opinion and a debate, but he should know the basic facts ffs

And going by the responses one here, a huge number saying they voted for him are immediately referencing issues with travellers. Not mentioning welfare so much.

If he knew the exact figure, would you have then agreed with his point?

namloc1980 · 28-10-2018 10:08AM

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

Wheeliebin30 · 28-10-2018 10:09AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

He won’t join any party.

Evd-Burner · 28-10-2018 10:20AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

How do the Casey voters feel about him potentially joining FF? Bit of a blow I'd imagine.

To be honest even though I voted Casey I don't think he would make the best of politicians, I voted for him because I am sick and tired of all the political correctness and not being allowed to comment on career social welfare spongers.

I have a good job and I work hard, yet can't afford to buy a house near my kids or where I grew up. Others I know from years ago in school who have not bothered to make anything of themselves have had houses handed to them by the state and if I dare comment on it I am a right wing racist?! I am all for social welfare as needed but it should not be an option to make a career of it like the Margaret Cash's of this country do.

pjohnson · 28-10-2018 10:28AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

The stance where people on the dole were getting too much but when questioned he didn't actually know how much they were getting? :pac:

By all means have an opinion and a debate, but he should know the basic facts ffs

And going by the responses one here, a huge number saying they voted for him are immediately referencing issues with travellers. Not mentioning welfare so much.

You may have missed my Sarcasm Donny :P

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 10:29AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

If he knew the exact figure, would you have then agreed with his point?

Ah Jaysus.

There is no point entertaining a person who clearly doesn't know the basic facts of the position he is stating

Here's a definition for you

How can he be so certain that they get too much if he doesn't even have a ballpark notion of how much they get?

Why on earth would you think that him actually knowing the figure would mean that people would have to agree with his stance? But the fact that he doesn't even know the figure proves he's talking shite

Casey is just a chancer and waffler. He was going to "leave" politics. Then decided he'd stay in and start his own party. Today, he wants to join FF and be Taoiseach. He actually has no policies or beliefs other than whatever might suit at that point in time in getting him into some position somewhere.

Donald Trump · 28-10-2018 10:30AM

pjohnson wrote: »

You may have missed my Sarcasm Donny :P

I wasn't the only one

Wheeliebin30 · 28-10-2018 10:33AM

Evd-Burner wrote: »

To be honest even though I voted Casey I don't think he would make the best of politicians, I voted for him because I am sick and tired of all the political correctness and not being allowed to comment on career social welfare spongers.

I have a good job and I work hard, yet can't afford to buy a house near my kids or where I grew up. Others I know from years ago in school who have not bothered to make anything of themselves have had houses handed to them by the state and if I dare comment on it I am a right wing racist?! I am all for social welfare as needed but it should not be an option to make a career of it like the Margaret Cash's of this country do.

This is the one point I will ram down any politician knocking for votes soon.

A non working person should never be handed a house in an area of their choosing when a working person can’t get the same option.

And they should never be given the same house for 40 euro a week in an estate where people have to pay 1500 a month on a mortgage.

Lads in my class in school who bullied people and where general wasters who dropped out after the junior cert now living in areas with nice shiny houses paying pittance in rent.

It’s wrong on so many levels.

doolox · 28-10-2018 10:45AM

There are some people who do not fit in and society is better off leaving them out of the workplace and letting them live in a house on very low money.

Most enterprises value harmony, peace and order in the workplace and would be averse to hiring or retaining a bully or waster into their team.

The alternative to ordinary housing is jail or incarceration which is much more expensive than subsidised housing for these types of people.

It is far from ideal but we can be thankful that the bullies did not turn to serious crime and end up costing society more by being in jail.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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