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Should old Disney movies be banned in the era of #MeToo??

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    #32
    riffmongous
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    Just remake them with the gender roles swapped


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    #33
    Feisar
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    We'll be back covering up nudes in the Sistine Chapel at this rate.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #34
    bodice ripper
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    There is a big difference between wanting something banned and not wanting your kids watching it at a young age.

    Had I kids, I would be discouraging this kind of **** in a big way.


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    #35
    PlaneSpeeking
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    Feisar wrote: »
    We'll be back covering up nudes in the Sistine Chapel at this rate.

    I temped at an Art Gallery in Liverpool in the mid 90s, still know people there.

    Someone's complained about one or two recently alright.

    Mental stuff.


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    #36
    iamwhoiam
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    My two girls watched all Disneys films , read the fairy tales , had jigsaws of Sleeping Beauty and Little Mermaid
    They are grown adult strong independent women now and Keira Knightly needs to get a grip


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    #37
    manonboard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Easy to say save yourself when you are on the rich level in a capitalist society.
    She enjoys extreme privilege and has made a career out of her good looks... by portraying good looking 'f***able' women in many movies.


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    #38
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Manspreading is a real thing though - cf the t**t on my train at 7am today!!!!!

    Rest is bollocks tho but "PC brigade" is fair enough to describe these wingnuts.

    What irritated you about that though, was it his maleness or his ****headedness?
    The difference is critical.


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    #39
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    topper75 wrote: »
    What irritated you about that though, was it his maleness or his ****headedness?
    The difference is critical.

    Oh just being a selfish git - the woman elbowing my side last week was as bad!


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    #40
    BeerWolf
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    Let's ban history too while we're at it.


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    #41
    meeeeh
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    Aren't some of them a bit outdated? I have a 6 year old who loves sparkles and pink and unicorns. He only decided she likes Frozen last week, when Beauty and the Beast movie was on Sky I was told to put something else on and I don't think she ever watched Cinderella or any other princess type cartoons. She used to love Blaze and something Machines. I think nowdays girls have less interest in those stories so there is no point on insisting on something they have no interest in.


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    #42
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Shouldn't be banned (and no-one's calling for a blanket ban as far as I can see), but shouldn't be immune to criticism either. And as bluewolf says, sitting down and talking about things touched upon in a movie is perfectly reasonable.

    @wexie - a quick Google (and Wikipedia result) tells the story of that piece - "Roman Charity (Latin Caritas romana; Italian Carità Romana) is the exemplary story of a woman, Pero, who secretly breastfeeds her father, Cimon, after he is incarcerated and sentenced to death by starvation." So the choice is let your father die or feed him in the only way you can (we hear similar stories of mountain rescues for example where someone can die of dehydration or drink their own urine). It provides something to think about if nothing else...

    There's as much outrage about the outraged at this stage. Everyone needs to take a breath.

    🤪



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    #43
    silverharp
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Aren't some of them a bit outdated? I have a 6 year old who loves sparkles and pink and unicorns. He only decided she likes Frozen last week, when Beauty and the Beast movie was on Sky I was told to put something else on and I don't think she ever watched Cinderella or any other princess type cartoons. She used to love Blaze and something Machines. I think nowdays girls have less interest in those stories so there is no point on insisting on something they have no interest in.

    true, Its very rare I could get my kids to watch anything made before the 90's. if we do now its more to have a laugh.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #44
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    @wexie - a quick Google (and Wikipedia result) tells the story of that piece - "Roman Charity (Latin Caritas romana; Italian Carità Romana) is the exemplary story of a woman, Pero, who secretly breastfeeds her father, Cimon, after he is incarcerated and sentenced to death by starvation." So the choice is let your father die or feed him in the only way you can (we hear similar stories of mountain rescues for example where someone can die of dehydration or drink their own urine). It provides something to think about if nothing else...

    Ehm.....that was kind of my point, but thanks I guess.

    :confused:


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    #45
    PlaneSpeeking
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    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Let's ban history too while we're at it.

    I can't find the link but I read somewhere today that is being planned as it's too "White" and "European" and slavery should not be taught.

    Ridiculous nonsense all of it.


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    #46
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Manspreading is a real thing though - cf the t**t on my train at 7am today!!!!!

    'Manspreading' - which is definitely a thing - stems from an unholy combination of overconfidence, entitlement and self-importance, I think. I see it on public transport every day - more often than not, I find that the perpetrators are middle-class and middle-aged. They tend to have loud phone conversations too because... nobody else matters.

    Perhaps as a side-effect of #MeToo, women will become more confident and more likely to take 'ownership' of public spaces too. I hope not, tbh.


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    #47
    gerrybbadd
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    Righton
    Lincoln
    Delta

    They'd want to be more worried about the effect the stupid names they have given the kids will have on them when they grow up


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    #48
    Mean Laqueefa
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    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Righton
    Lincoln
    Delta

    They'd want to be more worried about the effect the stupid names they have given the kids will have on them when they grow up

    sounds like a S.W.A.T move


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    #49
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Are they calling for a ban, or just banning them in their own homes? If it's the latter what's the actual problem?
    Surely it's up to parents what they let their kids watch?

    This isn't exactly revolutionary thinking I'm in my mid 30's and I haven't seen a lot of the early Disney movies either because my parents didn't want us watching them both from the perspective that they're just vehicles for shifting vast quantities of merch and because princess behaviour and ideals were not something they wanted us to see modelled as aspirational. Not watching Cinderella or the Little Mermaid didn't damage me.


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    #50
    Sabre0001
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    wexie wrote: »
    Ehm.....that was kind of my point, but thanks I guess.

    :confused:

    Sorry, was lamping you in with the outrage :o:D

    🤪



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    #51
    SharpshooterTom
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    silverharp wrote: »
    true, Its very rare I could get my kids to watch anything made before the 90's. if we do now its more to have a laugh.

    Why do you think movies from the 70's, 80's and 90's are inferior to today's movies?


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    #52
    PlaneSpeeking
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Why do you think movies from the 70's, 80's and 90's are inferior to today's movies?

    "The Emoji Movie is better than Casablanca" said no sane person ever.


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    #53
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    Sorry, was lamping you in with the outrage :o:D

    You're not all wrong, I get way too worked up about things like this, or people that want to tear down 'offensive' statues, whitewash history and things like that.

    :(


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    #54
    B0jangles
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    I thought it was pretty much accepted that fairy and folk tales are, and always were, ways of teaching children important things about the rules and dangers of their society?

    Like how wandering away into the woods will probably get you eaten by the big bad wolf or by a witch, or how it's always the stalwart, honest, brave younger son who wins in the end, not the spoiled loudmouth elder ones (the latter is obviously not always true in reality, but if you want your children to value characteristics like honesty and courage, you tell them stories where such qualities are rewarded.)

    Children don't understand stories in the same way as adults do - they tend to take them at face value, so I can understand not wanting to let your little kids be taught what values are important by the Disney corporation.


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    #55
    wexie
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Why do you think movies from the 70's, 80's and 90's are inferior to today's movies?

    They are not inferior by any means (I'd even go further back than the 70's), they're different.

    (although an argument could be made for kids animated movies, that technology has come along a long way. Similarly any movie that heavily relies on special effects, CGI and all that).


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    #56
    wexie
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    so I can understand not wanting to let your little kids be taught what values are important by the Disney corporation.

    While I think that's a fair dig, I think it's only fair to point out that there's a big difference between what values are important to the Disney corporation and what values they promote in their movies.


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    #57
    Feisar
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    wexie wrote: »
    They are not inferior by any means (I'd even go further back than the 70's), they're different.

    (although an argument could be made for kids animated movies, that technology has come along a long way. Similarly any movie that heavily relies on special effects, CGI and all that).

    Walt Disney's Robin Hood can go toe to toe with anything out today! My inner child says so!

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #58
    py2006
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    Feminists are their own worst enemies.


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    #59
    PlaneSpeeking
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Walt Disney's Robin Hood can go toe to toe with anything out today! My inner child says so!

    Whilst I cry like a baby watching Brokeback Mountain, Up, Beaches or Brassed Off - I recover.

    I actually can't even think of Bambi without welling up! If i watched it, I'd be done!


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    #60
    Feisar
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    "The Emoji Movie is better than Casablanca" said no sane person ever.

    The first film that popped in my head was Casa, what a classic.

    "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #61
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I can't find the link but I read somewhere today that is being planned as it's too "White" and "European" and slavery should not be taught.

    Ridiculous nonsense all of it.

    They these people calling for this nonsense (banning the teaching about slavery and (for example) the Nazi's) the irony in calling for this?

    There's no words really


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