Should old Disney movies be banned in the era of #MeToo??

SharpshooterTom

Actresses Keira Knightley and Kristen Bell have publicly criticized old Disney films such as Snow White, Cinderella and The Little Mermaid banning their daughters from watching them because of they women are portrayed.

Keira Knightley says she has banned her three-year-old daughter from watching Disney films whose portrayal of women she disagrees with.

Edie Knightley Righton is not allowed to watch Cinderella or Little Mermaid.

Knightley told Ellen DeGeneres that 1950's Cinderella "waits around for a rich guy to rescue her. Don't! Rescue yourself. Obviously!"

She said of Little Mermaid: "I mean, the songs are great, but do not give your voice up for a man. Hello!"

Kristen Bell, who played Disney princess Anna in Frozen, has also waded into the debate on Disney and feminism.

She told Parenting Magazine that Snow White sends the wrong message about consent to children.

She spoke about her daughters Lincoln, five and Delta, three and said: "Every time we close Snow White, I look at my girls and ask, 'Don't you think it's weird that Snow White didn't ask the old witch why she needed to eat the apple?

"'Or where she got that apple?'"

She added: "Don't you think that it's weird that the prince kisses Snow White without her permission?'

"Because you can not kiss someone if they're sleeping!"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45900794

Would you ban your children from watching old Disney classics in light of the #MeToo era due to the way women are depicted in them?

Mean Laqueefa

No, its a ****ing stupid idea

Woke Hogan

I have never heard a single person genuinely suggesting old films be banned outright for portraying outdated attitudes and behaviour.

ohnonotgmail

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Actresses Keira Knightley and Kristen Bell have publicly criticized old Disney films such as Snow White, Cinderella and The Little Mermaid banning their daughters from watching them because of they women are portrayed.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45900794

Of course there have been calls to ban many old classics from 20th century in light of the #MeToo movement in attempt to fight back against patriarchy.

Would you say its necessary to ban old Disney classics in the #MeToo movement era and would you ban your children from watching them?

can you link to some of these "calls to ban many old classics from 20th century in light of the #MeToo movement in attempt to fight back against patriarchy."?

duffman13

No /Close thread

SharpshooterTom

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

can you link to some of these "calls to ban many old classics from 20th century in light of the #MeToo movement in attempt to fight back against patriarchy."?

Nah, it was just random folk of twitter. Although it was mainly in regards to some John Hughes 80s classics which literally glorified rape.

I wrote that statement a bit half heartedly but I'll edit it out.

Mutant z

Perhaps we should ban the pc brigade.

PlaneSpeeking

Mutant z wrote: »

Perhaps we should ban the pc brigade.

#MeToo for that idea!

According to Kristne Bell, the Handsome Prince should have let Sleeping Beauty (or Snow White - whoever) die, because he didn't have written consent for a peck ???

****'s sake love - try protesting Boko Harum or the mass rape of Yazidi girls and women by ISIS.

Not a f**king cartoon. Mad wagons.

Brian?

Mutant z wrote: »

Perhaps we should ban the pc brigade.

I’d like to see you try, seeing as they don’t exist.

whisky_galore

What a pair of Snowflake Whites.

Mutant z

Brian? wrote: »

I’d like to see you try, seeing as they don’t exist.

If you really believe that then you're well and truly deluded.

wexie

Mutant z wrote: »

Perhaps we should ban the pc brigade.

Wouldn't it be easier and make more sense to just ban Twitter?

And no on the banning movies, fecking eejits.

What's next? banning books? Literature? Renaissance paintings?

What about this? Should this be banned? That lady not only has her boob out but is feeding a grown man!? And the man is her father!!!! <shock! horror! outrage!!>



How about this? What if, rather than randomly banning things 'some' people don't agree with, perhaps we use these things as a learning opportunity, provide some context around how things change.

And as for Disney movies....they're Disney movies, Kiera Knightly needs to get over herself.

Boom_Bap

I was reading Sleeping Beauty with my daughter the other day.
The Prince finds a beautiful sleeping girl and his first thought is to kiss her. I wonder if she didn't wake up what he'd do next?


Still though, it's a f*cking FAIRY TALE

Harry Palmr

I was listening to the audio of this from De Generas (sp), the audience clearly had the critical thought capacity of a brick. Just a bunch of affirmative whopping in agreement, had Knightly suggested burning copies of Playboy they'd have stood up and applauded.

Mean Laqueefa

Actually didn't kiera knightly co-star and accept a massive pay cheque for a Disney movie based on a ride in Disney land ?

PlaneSpeeking

wexie wrote: »

Wouldn't it be easier and make more sense to just ban Twitter?

And no on the banning movies, fecking eejits.

What's next? banning books? Literature? Renaissance paintings?

What about this? Should this be banned? That lady not only has her boob out but is feeding a grown man!? And the man is her father!!!! <shock! horror! outrage!!>



How about this? What if, rather than randomly banning things 'some' people don't agree with, perhaps we use these things as a learning opportunity, provide some context around how things change.

And as for Disney movies....they're Disney movies, Kiera Knightly needs to get over herself.

Kiera Knightly is the Emma Watson with a slightly longer career.

Both utter full of themselves humans. That smile she has in Love Actually ?

Jesus I've rarely wanted to kick anyone in the teeth more.

PlaneSpeeking

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

Actually didn't kiera knightly co-star and accept a massive pay cheque for a Disney movie based on a ride in Disney land ?

And several sequels, yeah.

Hypocrisy from feminists ? Whatever next!!!

wexie

Oh actually hang on, I do have one caveat, they are banned from watching Phantasia.

No way anyone can fully appreciate that while sober :pac:

engiweirdo

Oh FFS. Just go jump off a bridge you scrawny, boobless, pompous, entitled little bitches in fairness like. Get a life like.

Yer Da sells Avon

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Would you ban your children from watching old Disney classics in light of the #MeToo era due to the way women are depicted in them?

To broaden your question a bit - would you ban your children from watching stuff that goes against your own moral beliefs? For example, if you had some crazy religious beliefs and a modern Disney film featured a character with two dads, would it be acceptable to shield them from watching it?

RobbingBandit

Aw **** off Hollywood next they'll want to change Mickey Mouse to Mike Mouse I don't want my daughter saying she loves Mickey.

The Bollocks

Should old Disney movies be banned in the era of #MeToo?? They should in their bollocks.
The old Disney films bring great memories from childhood for a lot of people.These modern era pansys need to shut up or be shut up.Constantly on the lookout for their next outrage.



#MeToo my bollocks.

Gimme A Pound

Brian? wrote: »

I’d like to see you try, seeing as they don’t exist.

I don't like terms like PC brigade and sjw (or indeed mansplaining and "the patriarchy") but you know full well who they're referring to.

PlaneSpeeking

Emiliano Old-fashioned Crap wrote: »

I don't like terms like PC brigade and sjw (or indeed mansplaining and "the patriarchy") but you know full well who they're referring to.

Manspreading is a real thing though - cf the t**t on my train at 7am today!!!!!

Rest is bollocks tho but "PC brigade" is fair enough to describe these wingnuts.

SharpshooterTom

Emiliano Old-fashioned Crap wrote: »

I don't like terms like PC brigade and sjw (or indeed mansplaining and "the patriarchy") but you know full well who they're referring to.

Although I've wrote this thread in negative light of the #MeToo movement, I'm actually a supporter of it and think its great women are speaking up. Society has been long overdue big changes in the way some men treat women.

But I thought this stuff was taking it too far, just curious to see what others felt in light of reviewing old movies, should some of them be phased out.

wexie

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I was listening to the audio of this from De Generas (sp), the audience clearly had the critical thought capacity of a brick. Just a bunch of affirmative whopping in agreement, had Knightly suggested burning copies of Playboy they'd have stood up and applauded.

It is 'American.....daytime....television......audience' what were you expecting?


(not actually sure if she's on in the daytime but as far as I'm concerned she should be, it's Jerry Springer type entertainment)

Feisar

Heard on the radio kleenex are rebranding their "mansize" tissues to large or whatever due some campaign or other.

wexie

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

But I thought this stuff was taking it too far, just curious to see what others felt in light of reviewing old movies, should some of them be phased out.

Personally I am opposed to pretty much any type of censorship. I think it's a very very slippery slope with lots of really really bad stuff on the way down.

If people think old (Disney) movies are harmful then they are free not to watch them. Banning or censoring though....Where would it stop? Who gets to decide what is 'offensive', 'upsetting' or ''harmful'?

Boom_Bap

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I was reading Sleeping Beauty with my daughter the other day.
The Prince finds a beautiful sleeping girl and his first thought is to kiss her. I wonder if she didn't wake up what he'd do next?


Still though, it's a f*cking FAIRY TALE

The original story is what he did next. She woke up from the baby.

I had just read the article in the irish times and it sounded like kristen bell watched it with them but then used that to discuss themes e.g snow white eating food from strangers. That sounds entirely appropriate to me.
Total non story

wexie

bluewolf wrote: »

The original story is what he did next. She woke up from the baby.

I had just read the article and it sounded like kristen bell watched it with them but then used that to discuss themes e.g snow white eating food from strangers. That sounds entirely appropriate to me

A lot of original fairy tales are really grim (hurhur)


:pac:

Gimme A Pound

Feisar wrote: »

Heard on the radio kleenex are rebranding their "mansize" tissues to large or whatever due some campaign or other.

Thought it was on The Onion but it's true. It's due to perceived sexism. I sh1t ye not.

riffmongous

Just remake them with the gender roles swapped

Feisar

We'll be back covering up nudes in the Sistine Chapel at this rate.

bodice ripper

There is a big difference between wanting something banned and not wanting your kids watching it at a young age.

Had I kids, I would be discouraging this kind of **** in a big way.

PlaneSpeeking

Feisar wrote: »

We'll be back covering up nudes in the Sistine Chapel at this rate.

I temped at an Art Gallery in Liverpool in the mid 90s, still know people there.

Someone's complained about one or two recently alright.

Mental stuff.

iamwhoiam

My two girls watched all Disneys films , read the fairy tales , had jigsaws of Sleeping Beauty and Little Mermaid
They are grown adult strong independent women now and Keira Knightly needs to get a grip

manonboard

Easy to say save yourself when you are on the rich level in a capitalist society.
She enjoys extreme privilege and has made a career out of her good looks... by portraying good looking 'f***able' women in many movies.

topper75

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Manspreading is a real thing though - cf the t**t on my train at 7am today!!!!!

Rest is bollocks tho but "PC brigade" is fair enough to describe these wingnuts.

What irritated you about that though, was it his maleness or his ****headedness?
The difference is critical.

PlaneSpeeking

topper75 wrote: »

What irritated you about that though, was it his maleness or his ****headedness?
The difference is critical.

Oh just being a selfish git - the woman elbowing my side last week was as bad!

BeerWolf

Let's ban history too while we're at it.

meeeeh

Aren't some of them a bit outdated? I have a 6 year old who loves sparkles and pink and unicorns. He only decided she likes Frozen last week, when Beauty and the Beast movie was on Sky I was told to put something else on and I don't think she ever watched Cinderella or any other princess type cartoons. She used to love Blaze and something Machines. I think nowdays girls have less interest in those stories so there is no point on insisting on something they have no interest in.

Sabre0001

Shouldn't be banned (and no-one's calling for a blanket ban as far as I can see), but shouldn't be immune to criticism either. And as bluewolf says, sitting down and talking about things touched upon in a movie is perfectly reasonable.

@wexie - a quick Google (and Wikipedia result) tells the story of that piece - "Roman Charity (Latin Caritas romana; Italian Carità Romana) is the exemplary story of a woman, Pero, who secretly breastfeeds her father, Cimon, after he is incarcerated and sentenced to death by starvation." So the choice is let your father die or feed him in the only way you can (we hear similar stories of mountain rescues for example where someone can die of dehydration or drink their own urine). It provides something to think about if nothing else...

There's as much outrage about the outraged at this stage. Everyone needs to take a breath.

silverharp

meeeeh wrote: »

Aren't some of them a bit outdated? I have a 6 year old who loves sparkles and pink and unicorns. He only decided she likes Frozen last week, when Beauty and the Beast movie was on Sky I was told to put something else on and I don't think she ever watched Cinderella or any other princess type cartoons. She used to love Blaze and something Machines. I think nowdays girls have less interest in those stories so there is no point on insisting on something they have no interest in.

true, Its very rare I could get my kids to watch anything made before the 90's. if we do now its more to have a laugh.

wexie

Sabre0001 wrote: »

@wexie - a quick Google (and Wikipedia result) tells the story of that piece - "Roman Charity (Latin Caritas romana; Italian Carità Romana) is the exemplary story of a woman, Pero, who secretly breastfeeds her father, Cimon, after he is incarcerated and sentenced to death by starvation." So the choice is let your father die or feed him in the only way you can (we hear similar stories of mountain rescues for example where someone can die of dehydration or drink their own urine). It provides something to think about if nothing else...

Ehm.....that was kind of my point, but thanks I guess.

PlaneSpeeking

BeerWolf wrote: »

Let's ban history too while we're at it.

I can't find the link but I read somewhere today that is being planned as it's too "White" and "European" and slavery should not be taught.

Ridiculous nonsense all of it.

Yer Da sells Avon

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Manspreading is a real thing though - cf the t**t on my train at 7am today!!!!!

'Manspreading' - which is definitely a thing - stems from an unholy combination of overconfidence, entitlement and self-importance, I think. I see it on public transport every day - more often than not, I find that the perpetrators are middle-class and middle-aged. They tend to have loud phone conversations too because... nobody else matters.

Perhaps as a side-effect of #MeToo, women will become more confident and more likely to take 'ownership' of public spaces too. I hope not, tbh.

gerrybbadd

Righton
Lincoln
Delta

They'd want to be more worried about the effect the stupid names they have given the kids will have on them when they grow up

Mean Laqueefa

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Righton
Lincoln
Delta

They'd want to be more worried about the effect the stupid names they have given the kids will have on them when they grow up

sounds like a S.W.A.T move

Triceratops Ballet

Are they calling for a ban, or just banning them in their own homes? If it's the latter what's the actual problem?
Surely it's up to parents what they let their kids watch?

This isn't exactly revolutionary thinking I'm in my mid 30's and I haven't seen a lot of the early Disney movies either because my parents didn't want us watching them both from the perspective that they're just vehicles for shifting vast quantities of merch and because princess behaviour and ideals were not something they wanted us to see modelled as aspirational. Not watching Cinderella or the Little Mermaid didn't damage me.

Sabre0001

wexie wrote: »

Ehm.....that was kind of my point, but thanks I guess.

Sorry, was lamping you in with the outrage

SharpshooterTom

silverharp wrote: »

true, Its very rare I could get my kids to watch anything made before the 90's. if we do now its more to have a laugh.

Why do you think movies from the 70's, 80's and 90's are inferior to today's movies?