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  • #102
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Patww79 wrote: »
    I can see them getting trendier here with the "oooh look how modern and progressive I am" attitude that's infesting the country these days.

    I'm not sure about that. Irish people don't seem to go for displays like this. I've never seen anyone wearing an easter lily, which is associated with the 1916 rising, I believe?
    Baron de Charlus wrote: »
    Yay, the annual Poppy thread!!!

    I'm sure people will make thoughtful and insightful contributions that haven't been aired before in previous years' editions.

    This is the warm up thread.
    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    Of course there'll be debate. We'd debate 2 flies here on Ah

    I'm supporting the Unionist fly.


  • #103
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Berserker wrote: »
    I'm not sure about that. Irish people don't seem to go for displays like this. I've never seen anyone wearing an easter lily, which is associated with the 1916 rising, I believe?

    God no the new breed couldn't be seen with anything Irish. Being ultra modern and progressive is about disowning all things Irish and embracing the anti. Balls deep in it.


  • #104
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    My dad grew up in the UK and had to serve in Cyprus in the late 50s, due to national service - yet he is a proud Irishman.

    Less of the judgement eh ?

    Eh, no?


  • #105
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Patww79 wrote: »
    God no the new breed couldn't be seen with anything Irish. Being ultra modern and progressive is about disowning all things Irish and embracing the anti. Balls deep in it.

    Really, what about the likes of the super trendy Gaelscoil movement?


  • #106
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Berserker wrote: »
    Really, what about the likes of the super trendy Gaelscoil movement?

    Look around here.


  • #107
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »

    As a serving soldier I don't wear a poppy, but I've donated to the appeal because it helps a lot of Irish families during their hardest times.. But besides that I'd also defend another Irish persons wish to donate to the poppy appeal by wearing a poppy.

    A serving Irish soldier has no problem donating to a Unionist charity supporting British soldiers who murdered Irish people post 1969 . You sure that you're Irish and not British? Perhaps the royal irish regiment would suit you so you can kneel to the foreign British queen and take her shilling?


  • #108
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Perhaps the royal irish regiment would suit you so you can kneel to the foreign British queen and take her shilling?

    That same shilling has kept many heads above water throughout the years in the RoI when the wonderful Irish republic feel to it's knees. Think back to 2008. The UK was a port of call for many Irish people when things went bust here.


  • #109
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Berserker wrote: »
    That same shilling has kept many heads above water throughout the years in the RoI when the wonderful Irish republic feel to it's knees. Think back to 2008. The UK was a port of call for a living for many Irish people when things went bust here.

    We paid a high interest rate for that 'bailout', it was not free money!


  • #110
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    klaaaz wrote: »
    We paid a high interest rate for that 'bailout', it was not free money!

    I'm talking about people getting jobs in the UK, not the bailout. Your European pals were the ones who laid the bailout on you, not the UK.


  • #111
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Berserker wrote: »
    I'm talking about people getting jobs in the UK, not the bailout. Your European pals were the ones who laid the bailout on you, not the UK.

    Perhaps if the UK didn't plunder and destroy Ireland for its resources over hundreds of years, Ireland could have developed economically and never have exported her people to the UK ?


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  • #112
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Berserker wrote: »
    That same shilling has kept many heads above water throughout the years in the RoI ... The UK was a port of call for many Irish people

    In a more just world Britain would have been paying an awful lot of money in reparations - Britain has benefited enormously from Irish immigration.


  • #113
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Perhaps if the UK didn't plunder and destroy Ireland for its resources over hundreds of years, Ireland could have developed economically and never have exported her people to the UK ?

    Perhaps if Ireland had got rid of the Catholic rulers then it may have developed.

    While the rest of the world moved on, Ireland remained stuck in the 1900s. Thats not Britains fault its Irelands.


  • #114
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Can we not get back to whinging and moaning about the Poppy's ?


  • #115
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Perhaps if Ireland had got rid of the Catholic rulers then it may have developed.

    While the rest of the world moved on, Ireland remained stuck in the 1900s. Thats not Britains fault its Irelands.

    Sure post 1922 the Catholic church took over which was disgraceful considering their record over the centuries beforehand.

    Pre-1922, it was indeed the Brits fault as they ruled us back then. We were never important as we were a colony to be exploited (the peak was that starvation tactic which peaked around 1847 onwards)


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    A serving Irish soldier has no problem donating to a Unionist charity supporting British soldiers who murdered Irish people post 1969 . You sure that you're Irish and not British? Perhaps the royal irish regiment would suit you so you can kneel to the foreign British queen and take her shilling?

    This post should be stickied as the perfect example of the keyboard warrior.


  • #117
    [Deleted User]
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    Allyson Obnoxious Tailgate wrote: »
    It does actually.

    Company Sgt.Maj Martin Doyle VC & MM served with the Dublin Fusiliers and the Royal Munster Fusiliers during WWI.

    After the war he returned home to Ireland the highest decorated soldier in the British army having been awarded the Victoria Cross and the Military Medal (for gallantry) and joined the IRA, he fought against his former comrades in the British army during our civil war.

    After the civil war Coy Sgt.Maj Doyle changed sides once again and joined the national army to fight against his former comrades in the IRA.

    He's buried in Grangegorman Military Cemetery (Blackhorse Ave. Dublin 7).

    Fascinating character.

    You know what I mean though, it’s not like the RIR are going to turn up for work tomorrow and be told right lads, grab your guns we’re off to Cavan.

    Hostilities take weeks/months to build up before any actual fighting takes place.


  • #118
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    As did the French when they were not surrendering to someone. If fact the French were and still are more imperialistic than Britain.

    And the French were more barbaric than Britain ever was. France was still importing slaves into the Americas long after every other country had stopped the slave trade.

    Ex British colonies are mainly civilised and developed or developing.

    Ex French colonies are usually the most undeveloped and are riddled with poverty, civil wars etc.

    But hey, don't let history get in the way of an anti-British rant!

    So what the French did justifies Britain’s racist empire?


  • #119
    BuboBubo
    Registered Users Posts: 927 ✭✭✭BuboBubo


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I have no issue with supporting those who fought in both world wars, but there's no way I'm going to ever be ok with the murdering bastards who gunned down innocent, unarmed civilians on Bloody Sunday.

    That's what that blasted poppy represents to me and many others too. I understand that all money raised from the "Poppy Appeal" within Ireland is used here, not sent back to the UK. But I will never wear one, or donate.

    France has the Cornflower - we should commemorate our own with our own symbol. Let the commonwealth keep the poppy, our republic isn't part of that.


  • #120
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So what the French did justifies Britain’s racist empire?

    One imperialist empire is better than the other imperialist empire, did you not get the memo? :D


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  • #121
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So what the French did justifies Britain’s racist empire?

    Oh FFS. Go read a history book.

    The French were more racist than the UK. And still are.

    What makes the British racist and the French not???

    I could do with a giggle.


  • #122
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Oh FFS. Go read a history book.

    The French were more racist than the UK. And still are.

    What makes the British racist and the French not???

    I could do with a giggle.

    Does killing by starvation a million plus in Ireland (as this is an Irish forum) plus a few million in India and Kenya count?

    Or does "who is the more racist category' have a bodycount in your view?? You really have to read that history book.


  • #123
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    BuboBubo wrote: »

    France has the Cornflower - we should commemorate our own with our own symbol. Let the commonwealth keep the poppy, our republic isn't part of that :)

    France has a cockerll/rooster as its mascot as they are a bunch of chickens!

    I presume they use the cornflower and not the rooster as they don't want to remind the youngsters that their grandparents were a bunch of cowards.


  • #124
    engiweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    What debate is there? You are either an Irishman or a cap tipping croppy lie down coward who supports 'er majestys murder squad.


  • #125
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    France has a cockerll/rooster as its mascot as they are a bunch of chickens!

    I presume they use the cornflower and not the rooster as they don't want to remind the youngsters that their grandparents were a bunch of cowards.

    Weirdo


  • #126
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    prinzeugen wrote: »



    What makes the British racist and the French not???

    Who claimed that.?


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  • #127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    Ask poppy sellers if they can guarantee the money won’t go to any of the killers at Ballymurphy or Derry, or indeed to anyone who killed Irish civilians during the Troubles. It’s a fair and very important question.

    You mean Northern Irish civilians?


  • #128
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Who claimed that.?

    The post I quoted??


  • #129
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    zapitastas wrote: »
    Weirdo

    Ok.. Is that the best you can do? Any opinion yourself?


  • #130
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    JayZeus wrote: »
    You mean Northern Irish civilians?

    Irish citizens, an artificial border does not divide a nation


  • #131
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Oh FFS. Go read a history book.

    The French were more racist than the UK. And still are.

    What makes the British racist and the French not???

    I could do with a giggle.
    RustyNut wrote: »
    Who claimed that.?
    prinzeugen wrote: »
    The post I quoted??


    Do you mean this one that says nothing of the sort? Or maybe you mean a different post?

    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So what the French did justifies Britain’s racist empire?


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  • #132
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Irish citizens, an artificial border does not divide a nation

    Ah, you’re one of those then.

    If you actually want to be an Irish citizen, you can live in, get a job in, pay your taxes in and contribute your fair share to the Republic of Ireland, at least for some part of your life.

    Otherwise you can stay in Northern Ireland and be a British Citizen with an Irish passport, huffing and puffing blowhard, bitching about royal this that and the other.

    If you pay taxes to the crown, you put bullets into british soldiers weapons. Simple as that.


  • #133
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Ah, you’re one of those then.

    If you actually want to be an Irish citizen, you can live in, get a job in, pay your taxes in and contribute your fair share to the Republic of Ireland, at least for some part of your life.

    Otherwise you can stay in Northern Ireland and be a British Citizen with an Irish passport, huffing and puffing blowhard, bitching about royal this that and the other.

    If you pay taxes to the crown, you put bullets into british soldiers weapons. Simple as that.

    One of what? One of those who recognises the Irish nation as belonging to the island of Ireland as per our constitution? Perhaps you are an anti-constitutionalist as you're the one who mentioned about bullets first!


  • #134
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Graces7 wrote: »

    Time and past time to give world wide thanks for our freedom together

    **** right off.


  • #135
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Ah, you’re one of those then.

    If you actually want to be an Irish citizen, you can live in, get a job in, pay your taxes in and contribute your fair share to the Republic of Ireland, at least for some part of your life.

    Otherwise you can stay in Northern Ireland and be a British Citizen with an Irish passport, huffing and puffing blowhard, bitching about royal this that and the other.

    If you pay taxes to the crown, you put bullets into british soldiers weapons. Simple as that.

    So what about me? Have both British and Irish citizenship, pro britex, anti Scottish Independence and living in Ireland?

    Should I feck off?


  • #136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    France has a cockerll/rooster as its mascot as they are a bunch of chickens!

    I presume they use the cornflower and not the rooster as they don't want to remind the youngsters that their grandparents were a bunch of cowards.

    You mean like these cowards who played a vital role in the eventual success of the evacuations at Dunkirk in 1940?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Lille_(1940)


  • #137
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    God help anyone who dies in a war. They deserve to be remembered by those who wish to remember them.

    I won’t ever wear a poppy, I don’t care how it’s dressed up or what other symbol is attached to it, I will never wear one. I can’t understand why any Irish man or woman would wear one.

    The money raised funds soldiers from an army that has murdered Irish children, bombed Irish cities/towns and funded and assisted terrorists kill many Irish people.

    People like Senator Neale Richmond think that it’s great to wear one in the mistaken belief that they’re remembering the canon fodder who died in the World Wars but he’s also remembering those who died attacking the country that he’s a political representative in. That’s pretty shocking.

    If Britain cared so much about her glorious war heroes then why not fund them properly so they don’t need to go begging every year?

    If their own Government don’t care about them then why should I?


  • #138
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    **** right off.

    Graces7 is highly respected by most of us here on boards..

    You feck off!


  • #139
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    So what about me? Have both British and Irish citizenship, pro britex, anti Scottish Independence and living in Ireland?

    Should I feck off?

    Do whatever you like. My issue is with Northern Irish nationalists who think their views and aspirations are representative of the people of the Republic of Ireland, when they’re generally not. Times have changed.

    I see no issue with wearing a Poppy if one does so out of respect for those who have died in conflicts. If some muppet wants to associate a show of respect with imperialism, that’s their choice, but it shouldn’t stop anyone who wants to wear one from doing so.


  • #140
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    JayZeus wrote: »
    You mean Northern Irish civilians?

    What’s the point in a comment like that?


  • #141
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Do whatever you like. My issue is with Northern Irish nationalists who think their views and aspirations are representative of the people of the Republic of Ireland, when they’re generally not. Times have changed.

    I see no issue with wearing a Poppy if one does so out of respect for those who have died in conflicts. If some muppet wants to associate a show of respect with imperialism, that’s their choice, but it shouldn’t stop anyone who wants to wear one from doing so.

    Err, Northern Irish nationalists are the victims(dead!) of british soldiers who are in their retirement age now. and you do not speak for Irish people south of the border who fully sympathise with Irish people who have been persecuted up there.
    The poppy is a Unionist symbol of their perseuction of Irish people, they made it into a symbol of the modern age rather than those from WW1.


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  • #142
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Plenty of Irish people have compelling personal reasons to either want to wear a poppy - or to be aghast at the idea of wearing a poppy. One of the founding principals of this country is that each should respect the other.


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
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    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    What’s the point in a comment like that?

    It’s a correction of a deliberately misleading statement. The British Army didn’t kill Irish civilians. They killed British civilians. Not Irish civilians.


  • #144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JayZeus wrote: »
    It’s a correction of a deliberately misleading statement. The British Army didn’t kill Irish civilians. They killed British civilians. Not Irish civilians.

    One of the poorer quality wind up exercises I’ve read on boards in a while.


  • #145
    JupiterKid
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    I thought this thread was about my dear old late grandad. RIP Poppy 1908-2000.:o:pac:


  • #146
    Banterbus28
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Banterbus28


    klaaaz wrote: »
    JayZeus wrote: »
    Do whatever you like. My issue is with Northern Irish nationalists who think their views and aspirations are representative of the people of the Republic of Ireland, when they’re generally not. Times have changed.

    I see no issue with wearing a Poppy if one does so out of respect for those who have died in conflicts. If some muppet wants to associate a show of respect with imperialism, that’s their choice, but it shouldn’t stop anyone who wants to wear one from doing so.

    Err, Northern Irish nationalists are the victims(dead!) of british soldiers who are in their retirement age now. and you do not speak for Irish people south of the border who fully sympathise with Irish people who have been persecuted up there.
    The poppy is a Unionist symbol of their perseuction of Irish people, they made it into a symbol of the modern age rather than those from WW1.

    You'll find that republican paramilitaries killed more people than than UK security forces.

    Add that to the equally disgusting loyalists make for grim reading

    Republican groups killed 2058 people

    Loyalist groups killed 1027

    UK security forces killed 363

    187 (~51.5%) were civilians

    145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

    Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:

    1080(~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces

    723 (~35%) were civilians

    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:

    878 (~85.4%) were civilians

    94 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    14 (~1%) were members of the British security forces

    Republican terrorists killed 723 civilians

    Loyalist terrorists killed 878 civilians

    UK security forces killed 187 civilians.

    So the supposed murderous British Empire in your belief was responsible for approx. 10% of civilian deatgs.

    Whilst terrorists were responsible for approx. 90% of civilian death.

    And yet "it's all the Brits fault"

    How silly can you be really?


  • #147
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    You'll find that republican paramilitaries killed more people than than UK security forces.

    Add that to the equally disgusting loyalists make for grim reading

    Republican groups killed 2058 people

    Loyalist groups killed 1027

    UK security forces killed 363

    187 (~51.5%) were civilians

    145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

    Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:

    1080(~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces

    723 (~35%) were civilians

    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:

    878 (~85.4%) were civilians

    94 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    14 (~1%) were members of the British security forces

    Republican terrorists killed 723 civilians

    Loyalist terrorists killed 878 civilians

    UK security forces killed 187 civilians.

    So the supposed murderous British Empire in your belief was responsible for approx. 10% of civilian deatgs.

    Whilst terrorists were responsible for approx. 90% of civilian death.

    And yet "it's all the Brits fault"

    How silly can you be really?

    To add to that post above The IRA where no better or no worse than the British and Loyalists during the troubles. They all targeted civilians....


    The Poppy represents them so the Poppy is up there with the Easter Lilly in my opinion. Both symbols supposed to honour those who fought for freedom unfortunately taken over by extremes.


    We need a symbol to honour all Irishmen who died in conflict around the world in all wars.


  • #148
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    You'll find that republican paramilitaries killed more people than than UK security forces.

    Add that to the equally disgusting loyalists make for grim reading

    Republican groups killed 2058 people

    Loyalist groups killed 1027

    UK security forces killed 363

    187 (~51.5%) were civilians

    145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

    Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:

    1080(~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces

    723 (~35%) were civilians

    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:

    878 (~85.4%) were civilians

    94 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    14 (~1%) were members of the British security forces

    Republican terrorists killed 723 civilians

    Loyalist terrorists killed 878 civilians

    UK security forces killed 187 civilians.

    So the supposed murderous British Empire in your belief was responsible for approx. 10% of civilian deatgs.

    Whilst terrorists were responsible for approx. 90% of civilian death.

    And yet "it's all the Brits fault"

    How silly can you be really?
    I wonder will they adjust the numbers once the British finally come clean on all their collision with their loyalists.. Oh wait that's never going to happen is it, can't have the commoners knowing all their dirty little secrets can they

    Oh and of course the loyalists are a direct legacy of the British Empire and it's policies..


  • #149
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Banterbus28 wrote: »
    You'll find that republican paramilitaries killed more people than than UK security forces.

    Add that to the equally disgusting loyalists make for grim reading

    Republican groups killed 2058 people

    Loyalist groups killed 1027

    UK security forces killed 363

    187 (~51.5%) were civilians

    145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

    Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:

    1080(~52%) were members/former members of the British security forces

    723 (~35%) were civilians

    187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    57 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    11 (~0.5%) were members of the Irish security forces

    Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:

    878 (~85.4%) were civilians

    94 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries

    41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries

    14 (~1%) were members of the British security forces

    Republican terrorists killed 723 civilians

    Loyalist terrorists killed 878 civilians

    UK security forces killed 187 civilians.

    So the supposed murderous British Empire in your belief was responsible for approx. 10% of civilian deatgs.

    Whilst terrorists were responsible for approx. 90% of civilian death.

    And yet "it's all the Brits fault"

    How silly can you be really?

    It is the Brits fault. They’re the foreign invader. No invasion, no war.

    You don’t punch someone repeatedly in the face and then complain about violence when they hit you back.


  • #150
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I find it incredible how people so willingly ignore the thousands of Irish men who fought in First and Second World Wars.

    My Great Grandfather fought in the Battle of Ypres in 1914 - he was a Bombardier in the Royal Field Artillery and lost his left leg as a result of shrapnel wounds. In a way he was one of the lucky ones. He came home. To say we are proud of him would be an understatement.

    Here’s the thing though - he didn’t do it because he was a traitor or a West Brit or any other insult folks care to level at him. He did it because it was a job and he needed the money.

    In 2014 we went as a family, including my Grandfather (his son) to Ypres to follow in his footsteps and it was eye opening.

    The thousands upon thousands of white headstones really brought home what a terrible waste of young life war really is. All those young men lying under those headstones deserve to be remembered.

    And that’s why I wear the Poppy in the form of earrings I bought in Ypres. To honor my Great Grandfather’s courage and remember his many friends and fellow soldiers who never came home.


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  • #151
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    It's OK everyone! Sinn Fein now say it's OK to wear a poppy. As long as you vote for their candidate for president.

    After years of sneering at those of us who objected to their campaign of selective assassination and wholesale destruction and deriding their nationalist rivals as the Stoop Down Low Party, they now strike this most virtuous of poses.

    Go ahead Shinners. Knock on my door and ask for my vote. Make my day!!!


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