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blue5000 · 26-09-2018 11:00AM

wrangler wrote: »

I can't see where a better price is going to come from if people keep using SFP to subsidise cattle prices. The annual roll out of ''cattle are making €250/hd in England'' means nothing as England can get imported beef at the same price any where else in Europe for catering, burgers, etc,
Until there's a crisis (which mightn't be too far way) where people stop feeding cattle this won't be sorted, as bad as this year is I guarantee that you'll see an increase in price and demand for store cattle when SFP arrives.
As for producer groups, they're not Utopia, but there's lots of people taking very little more than the journal quotes for their lamb and they're getting ripped off as well in the marts so it saves our farmers from that......some of our members might only be selling 50 or 100 lambs in the year. Factories won't compete for groups, sure everyone knows there's no cartel in factories :rolleyes:
What's your friend getting for beef, hormone are a huge help there

Can't see it happening this year TBH, too many other bills to be paid this time, meal, contractors, repayments. If there is a lift in prices it will be like a dead cat bouncing.

Pidae.m · 26-09-2018 11:45AM

Down south getting 1:50 for bonners out the parlour. Herd of 1:20 but also know of lads getting 2:40 near dublin.

Pidae.m · 26-09-2018 11:46AM

Anyone any sniff of O+ R- cows 330kgs dead

wrangler · 26-09-2018 12:55PM

Fireside Solicitor wrote: »

There is a businessman near us inherited the place off his father. It is a good farm with 20k sfp. Yer man if he looks at it once a week that’s it. He has 70 bullocks and tells me he doesn’t care if they make anything once they don’t cost him anything......he wouldn’t have clue what happens with them.He was joking with one of the lads that the farm was great for hiding expenses from the tax man. This man drives a 100k bmw. When the system treats him the same as me sure it will never be right

Farming in Ireland is gone too far down the part time route to be advocating taking off farm income into account when deciding entitlements. most farms have two (or three ) incomes coming in now

Dozer1 · 26-09-2018 02:34PM

O+ 4- cow 372.8kgs 3.10/kg killed on the 21-Sept LM cow

blue5000 · 26-09-2018 05:33PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Anyone any sniff of O+ R- cows 330kgs dead

Dozer1 wrote: »

O+ 4- cow 372.8kgs 3.10/kg killed on the 21-Sept LM cow

R s might be at 3.30 ish, there's definitely a good home for heavy, well fleshed cows. I suspect they're going to France. Sunrise Plants only want them for burgers, they like the fat to glue the mince together......

wrangler · 26-09-2018 05:39PM

Just after getting a text for a suckler/beef campaign meeting in Ballinasloe next monday night......salvation is nigh

gerryirl · 26-09-2018 10:53PM

wrangler wrote: »

Just after getting a text for a suckler/beef campaign meeting in Ballinasloe next monday night......salvation is nigh

there was no time with the text but rumor has it that the first one to guess the time right will get €4.50 a kilo in a factory of choice for 1 week

Muckit · 26-09-2018 10:58PM

wrangler wrote: »

Just after getting a text for a suckler/beef campaign meeting in Ballinasloe next monday night......salvation is nigh

Details? Shearwater Hotel?

gerryirl · 26-09-2018 11:06PM

8 pm Monday 1st October Shearwater Hotel Ballinasloe.

Pidae.m · 27-09-2018 06:17AM

blue5000 wrote: »

R s might be at 3.30 ish, there's definitely a good home for heavy, well fleshed cows. I suspect they're going to France. Sunrise Plants only want them for burgers, they like the fat to glue the mince together......

3;44 for a load r 360~400 ish kg.

bogman_bass · 27-09-2018 09:42AM

Dozer1 wrote: »

O+ 4- cow 372.8kgs 3.10/kg killed on the 21-Sept LM cow

You did better than me O+4+ cow 305c/kg
R+4= 320 c/kg killed the same day as you

tatoo · 28-09-2018 09:39PM

What are heavy bullocks making in the mart at the moment?
I have a bundle of HEX 650kgs and upwards, nearly fit to kill and was thinking of heading to the mart with them - they're good lumps of cattle , but I find it hard to get good grades on the black whiteheads.
Killed a comrade of theirs the other day, 322 kgs cold , came into €1185

Fine Day · 28-09-2018 09:48PM

tatoo wrote: »

What are heavy bullocks making in the mart at the moment?
I have a bundle of HEX 650kgs and upwards, nearly fit to kill and was thinking of heading to the mart with them - they're good lumps of cattle , but I find it hard to get good grades on the black whiteheads.
Killed a comrade of theirs the other day, 322 kgs cold , came into €1185

Are you with the Hereford prime & board bia approved.

tatoo · 28-09-2018 09:59PM

Theheff wrote: »

Are you with the Hereford prime & board bia approved.

Yes, but he was 30 months, three quarters of the HEXs that I killed last year graded as Os so I didn't get the Bord Bia 12c

tatoo · 28-09-2018 10:02PM

I also noticed on my remittance note that I was levied €5 per Hereford as a deduction.

Bass Reeves · 28-09-2018 11:25PM

The 5 euro deduction is standard in the AA and HE scheme for to fund the producer group. You get the 12c QA if cattle grade O= or better and under 30 months. They have to be O- to not get the QA. There is huge complaints the way HE and AA cattle that are all starting to fall into O- grading into the HE scheme but failing to make QA. Cheap beef for the processors that tick the boxes

White Clover · 29-09-2018 08:22AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The 5 euro deduction is standard in the AA and HE scheme for to fund the producer group. You get the 12c QA if cattle grade O= or better and under 30 months. They have to be O- to not get the QA. There is huge complaints the way HE and AA cattle that are all starting to fall into O- grading into the HE scheme but failing to make QA. Cheap beef for the processors that tick the boxes

Spot on bass, although I think o- Angus heifers will get the aa bonus but not the qa.

Mooooo · 29-09-2018 08:30AM

In the last number of years it has been rare for any of our cull cow's when fat to make o before a share of them would, our own breeding hasn't changed massively in that time either.

I says · 29-09-2018 09:01AM

Mooooo wrote: »

In the last number of years it has been rare for any of our cull cow's when fat to make o before a share of them would, our own breeding hasn't changed massively in that time either.

You’re hardly sending them to a plant in the midlands who are having fierce trouble with their grading machine.ahem
Changed a few times already ahem ahem cough cough

Bass Reeves · 29-09-2018 11:16AM

I think the penny is finally begining to drop in relation to factory feedlots and producer groups as well as finally starting to call IFA, ICSA, ICMSA and IHNFA more or less what they are unions.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/is-it-appropriate-that-factories-should-have-feedlots/

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beef-plan-2018-2025-blueprint-calls-for-reform-of-farm-unions/

wrangler · 29-09-2018 12:46PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think the penny is finally begining to drop in relation to factory feedlots and producer groups as well as finally starting to call IFA, ICSA, ICMSA and IHNFA more or less what they are unions.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/is-it-appropriate-that-factories-should-have-feedlots/

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beef-plan-2018-2025-blueprint-calls-for-reform-of-farm-unions/

None of them have put forward any credible solution, plenty of talk.
There's probably some good reason that they haven't called themselves a union,
legal or otherwise.
Farmers should form groups, also try to get away from trying to sell beef when there's a glut like now.

Farmer · 29-09-2018 01:46PM

wrangler wrote: »

None of them have put forward any credible solution, plenty of talk.
There's probably some good reason that they haven't called themselves a union,
legal or otherwise.
Farmers should form groups, also try to get away from trying to sell beef when there's a glut like now.

There are alot of valid points all the same and at least they're talking about positive things that can be done, not lurking in the shadows, giving out about what's not being done like many people do.

I suspect it's not a union because they, as well as everybody else, knows that we have enough unions. It's more motivated membership we need and more unity in common areas. They at least deserve our support. Fair enough, some stuff may not be feasible but there's no harm in aiming high as long as you take good advice along the way. Getting financial support is the big problem. You'll hear loads of "what are you going to do about .....?" and not so much of "here's a few bob to support what you're doing" I suspect you know this better than most.

Of course you are correct in the last point and also on the point of not spending the SFP to subsidise the factories. Groups however do not crop up spontaneously and our isolated lifestyle does not help, Often, our ability to hold on to cattle is curtailed by circumstances behind our control. I dont think the fellas fattening cattle for May are making a killing either as it's all gone in meal. It looks like we need to cut numbers overall as we are just being busy fools but, in doing so, there will always be another plunger somewhere to take up the slack.

wrangler · 29-09-2018 02:08PM

Farmer wrote: »

There are alot of valid points all the same and at least they're talking about positive things that can be done, not lurking in the shadows, giving out about what's not being done like many people do.

I suspect it's not a union because they, as well as everybody else, knows that we have enough unions. It's more motivated membership we need and more unity in common areas. They at least deserve our support. Fair enough, some stuff may not be feasible but there's no harm in aiming high as long as you take good advice along the way. Getting financial support is the big problem. You'll hear loads of "what are you going to do about .....?" and not so much of "here's a few bob to support what you're doing" I suspect you know this better than most.

Of course you are correct in the last point and also on the point of not spending the SFP to subsidise the factories. Groups however do not crop up spontaneously and our isolated lifestyle does not help, Often, our ability to hold on to cattle is curtailed by circumstances behind our control. I dont think the fellas fattening cattle for May are making a killing either as it's all gone in meal. It looks like we need to cut numbers overall as we are just being busy fools but, in doing so, there will always be another plunger somewhere to take up the slack.

I've always admired Eddie Punch, ICSA are lucky to have him and if he thought there was a reason and a way to stop the factory feedlots he'd have it done likewise the Competition Authority.
Even If factory feedlots was legislated against (and that would probably even be contravening some constitutional right), Mrs goo factory owner would only take over.
Without even asking I know that Farm Centre would provide expertise, both legal and practical, to any producer group that started up

tatoo · 29-09-2018 06:56PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The 5 euro deduction is standard in the AA and HE scheme for to fund the producer group. You get the 12c QA if cattle grade O= or better and under 30 months. They have to be O- to not get the QA. There is huge complaints the way HE and AA cattle that are all starting to fall into O- grading into the HE scheme but failing to make QA. Cheap beef for the processors that tick the boxes

Looking at my docket now , the cattle on it were 29 months, graded O+ and 3= or 3-,
I got paid 3.80 ( 3.70 base plus 10c Hereford/AA ).
One bullock was O+ 3+, a 30 month Hex , he was paid at 3.68.
I qualify for Bird Bia

Fine Day · 29-09-2018 07:09PM

White Clover wrote: »

Spot on bass, although I think o- Angus heifers will get the aa bonus but not the qa.

I suppose its still sold of as board bia approved despite the carcass not making the grade.

White Clover · 29-09-2018 08:00PM

Theheff wrote: »

I suppose its still sold of as board bia approved despite the carcass not making the grade.

You can bet your house on it!

wrangler · 29-09-2018 08:31PM

White Clover wrote: »

You can bet your house on it!

Surest way of getting the grade that they want is to penalise the grades they don't want.
Same with overweight lambs, it doesn't mean they can't sell them, they don't want a lot of them. I know one factory that has a premium market for overweight lambs if farmers are foolish enough to supply them...they get plenty of lambs for that market

CHOPS01 · 29-09-2018 08:43PM

tatoo wrote: »

Looking at my docket now , the cattle on it were 29 months, graded O+ and 3= or 3-,
I got paid 3.80 ( 3.70 base plus 10c Hereford/AA ).
One bullock was O+ 3+, a 30 month Hex , he was paid at 3.68.
I qualify for Bird Bia

Where did you kill em

Cavanjack · 29-09-2018 08:56PM

tatoo wrote: »

Looking at my docket now , the cattle on it were 29 months, graded O+ and 3= or 3-,
I got paid 3.80 ( 3.70 base plus 10c Hereford/AA ).
One bullock was O+ 3+, a 30 month Hex , he was paid at 3.68.
I qualify for Bird Bia

He was over 30 months so You lost out on the 12cent bonus. Then You got deducted 12cent because he was an o+. You got the Hereford bonus of 10cent though.

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