wrangler wrote: » I can't see where a better price is going to come from if people keep using SFP to subsidise cattle prices. The annual roll out of ''cattle are making €250/hd in England'' means nothing as England can get imported beef at the same price any where else in Europe for catering, burgers, etc, Until there's a crisis (which mightn't be too far way) where people stop feeding cattle this won't be sorted, as bad as this year is I guarantee that you'll see an increase in price and demand for store cattle when SFP arrives. As for producer groups, they're not Utopia, but there's lots of people taking very little more than the journal quotes for their lamb and they're getting ripped off as well in the marts so it saves our farmers from that......some of our members might only be selling 50 or 100 lambs in the year. Factories won't compete for groups, sure everyone knows there's no cartel in factories :rolleyes: What's your friend getting for beef, hormone are a huge help there
Fireside Solicitor wrote: » There is a businessman near us inherited the place off his father. It is a good farm with 20k sfp. Yer man if he looks at it once a week that’s it. He has 70 bullocks and tells me he doesn’t care if they make anything once they don’t cost him anything......he wouldn’t have clue what happens with them.He was joking with one of the lads that the farm was great for hiding expenses from the tax man. This man drives a 100k bmw. When the system treats him the same as me sure it will never be right
Pidae.m wrote: » Anyone any sniff of O+ R- cows 330kgs dead
Dozer1 wrote: » O+ 4- cow 372.8kgs 3.10/kg killed on the 21-Sept LM cow
wrangler wrote: » Just after getting a text for a suckler/beef campaign meeting in Ballinasloe next monday night......salvation is nigh
blue5000 wrote: » R s might be at 3.30 ish, there's definitely a good home for heavy, well fleshed cows. I suspect they're going to France. Sunrise Plants only want them for burgers, they like the fat to glue the mince together......
tatoo wrote: » What are heavy bullocks making in the mart at the moment? I have a bundle of HEX 650kgs and upwards, nearly fit to kill and was thinking of heading to the mart with them - they're good lumps of cattle , but I find it hard to get good grades on the black whiteheads. Killed a comrade of theirs the other day, 322 kgs cold , came into €1185
Theheff wrote: » Are you with the Hereford prime & board bia approved.
Bass Reeves wrote: » The 5 euro deduction is standard in the AA and HE scheme for to fund the producer group. You get the 12c QA if cattle grade O= or better and under 30 months. They have to be O- to not get the QA. There is huge complaints the way HE and AA cattle that are all starting to fall into O- grading into the HE scheme but failing to make QA. Cheap beef for the processors that tick the boxes
Mooooo wrote: » In the last number of years it has been rare for any of our cull cow's when fat to make o before a share of them would, our own breeding hasn't changed massively in that time either.
Bass Reeves wrote: » I think the penny is finally begining to drop in relation to factory feedlots and producer groups as well as finally starting to call IFA, ICSA, ICMSA and IHNFA more or less what they are unions.https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/is-it-appropriate-that-factories-should-have-feedlots/https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beef-plan-2018-2025-blueprint-calls-for-reform-of-farm-unions/
wrangler wrote: » None of them have put forward any credible solution, plenty of talk. There's probably some good reason that they haven't called themselves a union, legal or otherwise. Farmers should form groups, also try to get away from trying to sell beef when there's a glut like now.
Farmer wrote: » There are alot of valid points all the same and at least they're talking about positive things that can be done, not lurking in the shadows, giving out about what's not being done like many people do. I suspect it's not a union because they, as well as everybody else, knows that we have enough unions. It's more motivated membership we need and more unity in common areas. They at least deserve our support. Fair enough, some stuff may not be feasible but there's no harm in aiming high as long as you take good advice along the way. Getting financial support is the big problem. You'll hear loads of "what are you going to do about .....?" and not so much of "here's a few bob to support what you're doing" I suspect you know this better than most. Of course you are correct in the last point and also on the point of not spending the SFP to subsidise the factories. Groups however do not crop up spontaneously and our isolated lifestyle does not help, Often, our ability to hold on to cattle is curtailed by circumstances behind our control. I dont think the fellas fattening cattle for May are making a killing either as it's all gone in meal. It looks like we need to cut numbers overall as we are just being busy fools but, in doing so, there will always be another plunger somewhere to take up the slack.
White Clover wrote: » Spot on bass, although I think o- Angus heifers will get the aa bonus but not the qa.
Theheff wrote: » I suppose its still sold of as board bia approved despite the carcass not making the grade.
White Clover wrote: » You can bet your house on it!
tatoo wrote: » Looking at my docket now , the cattle on it were 29 months, graded O+ and 3= or 3-, I got paid 3.80 ( 3.70 base plus 10c Hereford/AA ). One bullock was O+ 3+, a 30 month Hex , he was paid at 3.68. I qualify for Bird Bia
