Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-09-2018 04:05PM

spookwoman wrote: »

At least it was signed in before the change over in president.

Isn’t the president bit just a formality?

spookwoman · 19-09-2018 04:07PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Isn’t the president bit just a formality?

They could ar*e around a bit drag it out etc if they wanted. At least least now its signed out of the constitution which is a major start

mordeith · 19-09-2018 04:09PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Isn’t the president bit just a formality?

There's precedent with a former president stalling legislation. Can't remember his name. Might have been he lad before Hillery

Cabaal · 19-09-2018 04:25PM

mordeith wrote: »

There's precedent with a former president stalling legislation. Can't remember his name. Might have been he lad before Hillery

If Gemma was president she might have stalled it "for the good of the people"
:rolleyes:

spookwoman · 19-09-2018 04:30PM

Cabaal wrote: »

If Gemma was president she might have stalled it "for the good of the people"
:rolleyes:

And if that other space cadet got in......

mordeith · 19-09-2018 05:14PM

This is the lad. Jump to the section on his presidency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cearbhall_Ó_Dálaigh

PopePalpatine · 19-09-2018 05:19PM

I remember his name giving me a lot of grief back in history class. :pac:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-09-2018 05:24PM

I’m glad Miggeldy got that shit done, so.

Frank Bullitt · 19-09-2018 05:28PM

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1042376885051813888

Next thing we need to repeal, Ronan Mullens career.

amdublin · 19-09-2018 05:30PM

With each step comes relief. But we're not there yet

Dial Hard · 19-09-2018 05:52PM

Gintonious wrote:

Next thing we need to repeal, Ronan Mullens career.

They'd be transvaginal ultrasounds too if that prick had his way.

I absolutely loathe that man.

LorelaiG · 19-09-2018 05:57PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/abortion-services-will-be-free-harris-confirms-870089.html

The less said about that cretin Mullens the better...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-09-2018 06:00PM

Dial Hard wrote: »

They'd be transvaginal ultrasounds too if that prick had his way.

I absolutely loathe that man.

His puss on RTÉ the day of the vote still fills me with delight.

mcmoustache · 19-09-2018 06:10PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1042376885051813888

Next thing we need to repeal, Ronan Mullens career.

Before that happens, he'll probably try to force mothers to attend funerals for fetuses.

On the bright side, his ideas are most likely to be ones that everyone has already heard of.

FingerDeKat · 19-09-2018 06:45PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

His puss on RTÉ the day of the vote still fills me with delight.

you can also add that goat fukker Mattie McGrath ...small pleasures in life

Loafing Oaf · 19-09-2018 07:49PM

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1042376885051813888

Next thing we need to repeal, Ronan Mullens career.

Leaving aside the invasive and demeaning nature of the proposal, has he thought about the practicalities of it for a split second? Or is it just something he vaguely heard about pro-life people in America advocating?

Hotblack Desiato · 19-09-2018 08:19PM

An ultrasound that looks like a baked bean isn't going to change anyone's mind, Ronan.

Annabella1 · 23-09-2018 05:41PM

I see minister Harris is proposing free access to termination for the whole female population
I find it ironic that couples unable to conceive needing ivf face hugh bills and zero state support !

Sofiztikated · 23-09-2018 05:45PM

Annabella1 wrote: »

I see minister Harris is proposing free access to termination for the whole female population
I find it ironic that couples unable to conceive needing ivf face hugh bills and zero state support !

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-pay-for-couples-to-have-ivf-treatment-1.3242402

Igotadose · 23-09-2018 06:26PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-pay-for-couples-to-have-ivf-treatment-1.3242402

Shame that. State needs to spend less on entitlements.

Igotadose · 23-09-2018 06:28PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

An ultrasound that looks like a baked bean isn't going to change anyone's mind, Ronan.

Anything to put the woman under pressure is o.k. for the hate both crowd. This, and the 3 day waiting period, and whatever the fcuk the anti-woman types come up with.

Besides, arguing with a hatebother trying to appeal to their intelligence is pointless.

Annabella1 · 23-09-2018 10:56PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-pay-for-couples-to-have-ivf-treatment-1.3242402

A vague maybe promise for 2019
Why isn’t the state equally supportive for those who want a pregnancy

Loafing Oaf · 23-09-2018 11:52PM

Annabella1 wrote: »

A vague maybe promise for 2019

Whereas the state is already subsidising abortions?

Igotadose · 24-09-2018 07:54AM

Annabella1 wrote: »

A vague maybe promise for 2019
Why isn’t the state equally supportive for those who want a pregnancy

Because IVF is an expensive luxury when you don't have enough hospital beds? Better the State reforms the horrible adoption rules in this country, solves the problem and improves real lives.

iguana · 24-09-2018 12:08PM

As someone who has experienced difficulty conceiving and has never experienced an unwanted pregnancy I genuinely don't understand your point. Infertility is absolute hell but it's not the same as unwanted pregnancy. Having something growing inside you, making you ill and causing pain, changing your body for good and ending with a person in the world who is your child whether you have to raise them or give them up is a completely and totally different experience to infertility. Just because they both concern reproductive function doesn't make them the same thing or even two sides of the same coin. They aren't. Please don't conflate women's reproductive issues as one thing. It's reductive and frankly stupid. Constipation and diarrhea are both illnesses of the digestive system but we don't conflate them for no good reason.

Infertility is also not just something that means jumping straight to IVF and the state does cover the cost of treating many conditions associated with infertility. My endometriosis was treated by the HSE. Women with miscarriage history can be prescribed free progesterone to help maintain the pregnancy, etc. IVF is expensive and with an average of a 20% success rate and often used by couples who have other issues that should have been treated first. My ovarian endometriosis would have meant IVF would never have worked for me as my body treated embryos as invaders. It will be great if IVF becomes available through the HSE, but lets not pretend that the state's free/subsidised healthcare system isn't actually helping couples conceive already.

iguana · 24-09-2018 12:08PM

As someone who has experienced difficulty conceiving and has never experienced an unwanted pregnancy I genuinely don't understand your point. Infertility is absolute hell but it's not the same as unwanted pregnancy. Having something growing inside you, making you ill and causing pain, changing your body for good and ending with a person in the world who is your child whether you have to raise them or give them up is a completely and totally different experience to infertility. Just because they both concern reproductive function doesn't make them the same thing or even two sides of the same coin. They aren't. Please don't conflate women's reproductive issues as one thing. It's reductive and frankly stupid. Constipation and diarrhea are both illnesses of the digestive system but we don't conflate them for no good reason.

Infertility is also not just something that means jumping straight to IVF and the state does cover the cost of treating many conditions associated with infertility. My endometriosis was treated by the HSE. Women with miscarriage history can be prescribed free progesterone to help maintain the pregnancy, etc. IVF is expensive and with an average of a 20% success rate and often used by couples who have other issues that should have been treated first. My ovarian endometriosis would have meant IVF would never have worked for me as my body treated embryos as invaders. It will be great if IVF becomes available through the HSE, but lets not pretend that the state's free/subsidised healthcare system isn't actually helping couples conceive already.

Billy86 · 24-09-2018 12:33PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Shame that. State needs to spend less on entitlements.

I was going to sarcastically reply "yeah yeah, but besides that"... I see the person you were replying to had already beaten me to it, just without the sarcasm.

Sofiztikated · 24-09-2018 07:10PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I was going to sarcastically reply "yeah yeah, but besides that"... I see the person you were replying to had already beaten me to it, just without the sarcasm.

You'll find I didn't reply with anything, with or without sarcasm, as this is my first post on this topic since.

I was just pointing out that Harris had already said about the State helping possibly with IVF treatments, the poster I replied to asked why State didn't.

paw patrol · 24-09-2018 07:15PM

Annabella1 wrote: »

I see minister Harris is proposing free access to termination for the whole female population
I find it ironic that couples unable to conceive needing ivf face hugh bills and zero state support !

the state is broke or acts like it.
Plenty of hospitals in heap and operations cancelled etc....obligatory mention of the homeless...

but the state find the pennies and cough up for young Mary's mistake during rag week....

priorities?

WinnyThePoo · 24-09-2018 07:29PM

jesus

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