Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-08-2018 07:32PM

She'll need a challenge on a point of law to go to the SC though, won't she? Hard to see how she'll manage that, especially as she tried challenging the referendum law before and got nowhere.

alaimacerc · 28-08-2018 11:26AM

Igotadose wrote: »

In the US, it might take months (if not longer) for the SC to get around to not granting certorari to a case, i.e., not listening to the case because it has no merits.

But conversely, when the electoral clock is running, you can also get a full hearing in a matter of days. Witness Bush v. Gore.

volchitsa · 28-08-2018 12:10PM

alaimacerc wrote: »

But conversely, when the electoral clock is running, you can also get a full hearing in a matter of days. Witness Bush v. Gore.

Ah, a dispute between two white males, and their political parties. That's urgent.
In Roe v Wade, otoh, "Roe" had long since given birth before the judgment allowing her an abortion came through.

Try_harder · 07-09-2018 03:43PM

Supreme Court dismissed her leave to appeal. The legislation can be enacted now

Try_harder · 07-09-2018 03:45PM

Watch Mattie Ronan and Co frustrate its passage through the Oireachtas

Hotblack Desiato · 07-09-2018 04:36PM

IIRC you need ten objectors to delay a vote being called and if the No-side TDs in FF etc have any sense they'll stfu and abstain / not turn up and just let the legislation go through with as little fuss as possible, they've embarrassed themselves enough over this issue already and don't want the electorate to be reminded how out of touch with them they are.

Loafing Oaf · 07-09-2018 04:56PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

IIRC you need ten objectors to delay a vote being called and if the No-side TDs in FF etc have any sense they'll stfu and abstain / not turn up and just let the legislation go through with as little fuss as possible, they've embarrassed themselves enough over this issue already and don't want the electorate to be reminded how out of touch with them they are.

The bould Mattie is on the record as saying “I have no intention of obstructing this Bill but I have every intention of placing amendments” so presumably he won't be seeking to delay the vote.

Try_harder · 07-09-2018 04:59PM

Placing spurious amendments is obstructing it, they never admit to filibustering and obstructing but thats what they do

PopePalpatine · 07-09-2018 05:14PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

IIRC you need ten objectors to delay a vote being called and if the No-side TDs in FF etc have any sense they'll stfu and abstain / not turn up and just let the legislation go through with as little fuss as possible, they've embarrassed themselves enough over this issue already and don't want the electorate to be reminded how out of touch with them they are.

That's one hell of an "if".

Dial Hard · 07-09-2018 05:18PM

Speaking of anti-repeal idiots going on the record with big claims, did John Waters ever move to Spain in the end?

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 07-09-2018 09:59PM

I was delighted to read that her case was dismissed but also that "...The court also said there was no reason why costs should not be awarded against Ms Jordan."

Igotadose · 07-09-2018 10:26PM

If by some amazing luck she pays her court costs, Revenue should look hard at her taxes to see where the money comes from.

Loafing Oaf · 07-09-2018 11:40PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

That's one hell of an "if".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/many-anti-repeal-tds-now-set-to-back-abortion-legislation-1.3510570?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fmany-anti-repeal-tds-now-set-to-back-abortion-legislation-1.3510570

According to this article, many TDs who were against repeal intend to vote for the legislation, or at worst abstain. Very few clearly saying they will vote against. I think as HD says there is a recognition that there is no political benefit to be obstructing this legislation. I reckon the only people standing against will be 'true believers' like Carol Nolan...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-09-2018 05:07AM

Glad to hear that the appeals have all been dismissed. I think what happened is that the individuals who appealed (and the people behind them) expected the result to be much closer. Like many of us really. And had the appeals prepared and ready to go. And then ill-advisedly decided to press on, even when the result was quite emphatic. The appeals taken all would have made much more sense if the result had been much closer. But instead, they all looked foolish.

LuckyLloyd · 08-09-2018 08:32AM

Imagine having the gall to go to try and personally frustrate the clear will of the electorate (clearer than the will with which the 8th was introduced in 1983) as a whole?

Igotadose · 08-09-2018 08:42AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Imagine having the gall to go to try and personally frustrate the clear will of the electorate (clearer than the will with which the 8th was introduced in 1983) as a whole?

The giant angry sky fairy told her to. Not the first time. Wait till the removing the 'woman's place in the home' referendum passes, she'll be back again.

Or when the awful preamble goes. Yup, she'll be clicking them beads and getting some crap lawyers to gin up sure-to-fail appeals.

At least, until Revenue gets after her and shuts down her funding. This'd be easy in the US, but here, who knows.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-09-2018 02:26PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

The appeals taken all would have made much more sense if the result had been much closer. But instead, they all looked foolish.

The appeals were foolish anyway.

So what if some people were on the register who shouldn't have been, and some were taken off it who shouldn't have been. This is inevitable in any vote and you can't prove which way these people voted (or would have voted) so no benefit can be shown to have occurred to one side or the other.

The idea that members of the government cannot campaign in favour of an amendment is laughably stupid.

The courts should apply an Isaac Wunder order to her to stop her wasting the courts' time with more ridiculous appeals in future. And yes I hope the revenue go after her and apply tax on the funding she's been getting.

Loafing Oaf · 08-09-2018 04:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

"homemaker" Joanna Jordan is going to bring a petition challenging the High Court ruling that the rest of the country can outvote her.

Why is there no journalist in the country wants to profile this constant agitator, neither her nor Charles Byrne?

Where do they get their money? Private citizens, homemakers and music teachers, for instance, rarely have high court cash just knocking around.

Where is the Irish Times piece on the people suing the voters of Ireland at great expense?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/just-because-people-voted-for-it-doesnt-make-it-right-man-who-attempted-legal-challenge-against-referendum-result-37289132.html
Mr. Byrne sets out his own stall in this interview, although he doesn't say who, if anyone is funding him. Younger and more politically savvy than I was expecting. Also, not much overt God-bothering in the interview, although it's pretty clear where he's coming from...

Igotadose · 08-09-2018 04:45PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/just-because-people-voted-for-it-doesnt-make-it-right-man-who-attempted-legal-challenge-against-referendum-result-37289132.html
Mr. Byrne sets out his own stall in this interview, although he doesn't say who, if anyone is funding him. Younger and more politically savvy than I was expecting. Also, not much overt God-bothering in the interview, although it's pretty clear where he's coming from...

I won't get back the 3 minutes I just spent reading that article. Wasn't he the one whose entire real property was a piano? I do agree with one thing he said: fire all the bishops. I wouldn't rehire any, however, which I don't think is where he was going with it.

As for anti-women's rights (aka right-to-life) getting stronger with legalized abortion, well, I don't wager but I wouldn't take any odds on that. Ireland's sent its message. The RCC's in retreat and falling apart worldwide, we're just another place it's tentacles have been shorn. More to come, too. Good riddance.

Igotadose · 08-09-2018 07:58PM

Some muppet named John Bruton's already launched a whine-salvo against the proposed legislation. https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0908/992511-abortion-legislation-dail/

(Yeah, former Taoiseach and all that. Former's the operative word. STFU. Conscientious objection: keep women oppressed.)

Hotblack Desiato · 10-09-2018 11:49AM

Bruton can go fcuk himself to be honest.

We knew what the draft legislation said, and in that light we voted to repeal by two to one. That's TWO TO FCUKING ONE, JOHN.

Just shut up and go back to counting your pension.

The arrogance of him, that he thinks his opinion is worth more than that of two-thirds of voters. How bloody dare he.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 10-09-2018 01:33PM

That bleary-eyed fúck.

Dial Hard · 10-09-2018 01:40PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/just-because-people-voted-for-it-doesnt-make-it-right-man-who-attempted-legal-challenge-against-referendum-result-37289132.html
Mr. Byrne sets out his own stall in this interview, although he doesn't say who, if anyone is funding him. Younger and more politically savvy than I was expecting. Also, not much overt God-bothering in the interview, although it's pretty clear where he's coming from...

Politically savvy me eye. His entire thesis is "I don't like it, therefore it shouldn't be allowed."

Try_harder · 18-09-2018 06:48PM

History made. The President has this evening signed the Thirty-Sixth Amendment to the Constitution Act 2018, which takes immediate effect.

The 8th Amendment is thus repealed, and Irelands constitutional ban on abortion is officially lifted.

Guy:Incognito · 18-09-2018 07:00PM

Was this cos that lunatic failed In her high court appeals and whatnot or was this just the day it was due and she's still at it?

iguana · 18-09-2018 07:26PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Was this cos that lunatic failed In her high court appeals and whatnot or was this just the day it was due and she's still at it?

The legal challenges were rejected allowing for this to happen.

Frank Bullitt · 18-09-2018 10:42PM

Trending again on Twitter, fantastic day after all that hard work.

Hotblack Desiato · 19-09-2018 02:04AM

It's great news but now we need to make sure they don't feck up the legislation.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-09-2018 03:01AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It's great news but now we need to make sure they don't feck up the legislation.

Yup, I’m not celebrating quite yet.

spookwoman · 19-09-2018 03:09AM

At least it was signed in before the change over in president.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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