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So who's going to see the Pope?

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    #1442
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    AudreyHepburn wrote:
    A chance for the Pope to do the right thing by the abuse survivors and let them see those responsible for their suffering dealt with properly.


    He accused victims of abuse in Chile of lying but you think he'll do the right thing here? You can't seriously be that naïve.


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    #1443
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    He accused victims of abuse in Chile of lying but you think he'll do the right thing here? You can't seriously be that naïve.

    So many going claiming that they are not supporting the RCC and the regime in charge of it. How wrong they are. Attendance is support and validation of how the RCC operates. There are no two ways about it. The only way for memebers to get the RCC to start changing is by not attending. They will count every head in the park and pat themselves on the back.

    Faith can be practiced anywhere. The Garden of Remembrance would be an ideal place to practice faith and show Christianity on Sunday from 2.30pm.


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    #1444
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    They played a really cool vid on RTE about the Pope last nigth.

    When Benedict conducted his final Mas as Pope. At the end every Cardinal bowed and kissed his ring.




    A Prince of the Church. His last act as an underling.
    To see Papa Francisco do it , hours before he becomes the Boss of all Bosses.


    I love this man.


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    #1445
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    They played a really cool vid on RTE about the Pope last nigth.

    When Benedict conducted his final Mas as Pope. At the end every Cardinal bowed and kissed his ring.




    A Prince of the Church. His last act as an underling.
    To see Papa Francisco do it , hours before he becomes the Boss of all Bosses.


    I love this man.

    The fact that some (well everyone bar the pope) are "underlings" says a lot. Kissing someones ring ? Would you ever get to ****. These people sneer at the poor.

    How come the vow of poverty doesn't apply to the Vatican? Liquidate (literally) all that gold they have and actually do good for poor people they claim to care about.

    Hitler's biggest mistake seems to have not been more secretive about killing people and his ideologies. He should have done the rounds , hugged a few Jews and patted them on the head.


    If the leader of any other country in the world decided his "subjects" should kiss his ring and bow before him, everyone would be up in arms.


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    #1446
    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭daheff


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Once again you and they can spin it as much as you like - I do not, never have and never will support the horrible things the church as done.

    I’m going because of my faith and to support the good men and women of the church who have been unfairly maligned by the scandals of recent years. And that’s really all there is to it.

    if they were as good as you say they are they would have handed over the abusers or left in disgust that the church wont. Blind Faith is what has allowed all the abuse and money grabbing to continue


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    #1447
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The fact that some (well everyone bar the pope) are "underlings" says a lot. Kissing someones ring ? Would you ever get to ****. These people sneer at the poor.

    How come the vow of poverty doesn't apply to the Vatican? Liquidate (literally) all that gold they have and actually do good for poor people they claim to care about.

    Hitler's biggest mistake seems to have not been more secretive about killing people and his ideologies. He should have done the rounds , hugged a few Jews and patted them on the head.


    If the leader of any other country in the world decided his "subjects" should kiss his ring and bow before him, everyone would be up in arms.

    That would be the Franciscans, not that actual church.
    Nice Godwin there as well.


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    #1448
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Reading the last few pages, and I am surprised that people who as so vexed about the church have so little no knowledge about it.


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    #1449
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Look I’m not going to get into any arguments here or spend this thread trying to justify myself to anyone. I tried in the other thread and got lambasted and ended up inadvertently hurting and upsetting people.

    I’ll simplt say what I’ve said from the start - I’m going to the park tomorrow, I’ve given my reasons and they are not what a lot of people here would like them to be.

    I do not condone child abuse or anyone of the crimes committed by the church but neither can I change my faith nor will I hide it.


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    #1450
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    markodaly wrote: »
    Reading the last few pages, and I am surprised that people who as so vexed about the church have so little no knowledge about it.

    Do you need knowledge of the workings of the church to be disgusted by the levels of abuse in it?


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    #1451
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    markodaly wrote:
    Reading the last few pages, and I am surprised that people who as so vexed about the church have so little no knowledge about it.
    All one needs to know about the CC is the systemic rape, abuse of children and cover up.


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    #1452
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    AudreyHepburn wrote:
    I do not condone child abuse or anyone of the crimes committed by the church but neither can I change my faith nor will I hide it.

    Whether you wish to admit it or not you are going to show your support for the leader of an organisation than engaged in the widespread rape and abuse of children. Your faith can be practiced anywhere. So please stop being a hypocrite.


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    #1453
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    All one needs to know about the CC is the systemic rape, abuse of children and cover up.

    All they need to know? No room for the whys or the hows, just room for Trump-like levels of critical thinking.


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    #1454
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Blinkers on. I know what they did was bad but I don’t see it when it doesn’t suit.


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    #1455
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    markodaly wrote:
    All they need to know? No room for the whys or the hows, just room for Trump-like levels of critical thinking.


    Why's or how's?Are you trying to justify child abuse and rape?


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    #1456
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    If he was in my front garden I'd move house.

    It wouldn't be your front garden then. I thought all atheists would be all over this lad as he believes in a lot of the stuff they believe, evolution being one example.


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    #1457
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Fighting Tao wrote:
    Blinkers on. I know what they did was bad but I don’t see it when it doesn’t suit.


    See post #1453


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    #1458
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Mikenesson wrote: »
    I already seen him back in 78

    Even though he wasn't here until 79.


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    #1459
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    markodaly wrote: »
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The fact that some (well everyone bar the pope) are "underlings" says a lot. Kissing someones ring ? Would you ever get to ****. These people sneer at the poor.

    How come the vow of poverty doesn't apply to the Vatican? Liquidate (literally) all that gold they have and actually do good for poor people they claim to care about.

    Hitler's biggest mistake seems to have not been more secretive about killing people and his ideologies. He should have done the rounds , hugged a few Jews and patted them on the head.


    If the leader of any other country in the world decided his "subjects" should kiss his ring and bow before him, everyone would be up in arms.

    That would be the Franciscans, not that actual church.
    Nice Godwin there as well.
    Nice avoiding of the actual issues.


    Is the gold encrusted Palace full of very expensive stuff really necessary for a charitable group to function? While also begging for donations from the congregation.


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    #1460
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Whether you wish to admit it or not you are going to show your support for the leader of an organisation than engaged in the widespread rape and abuse of children. Your faith can be practiced anywhere. So please stop being a hypocrite.

    Your a SF supporter. You and your like supported a leader of the party for over 25 years, who was a high ranking member of a terrorist organisation, engaged in murder, maiming, violence and torture of men, women, and children. So please stop being a hypocrite.


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    #1461
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »

    I do not condone child abuse or anyone of the crimes committed by the church but neither can I change my faith nor will I hide it.


    Not going to the Phoenix Park isn't hiding or changing your faith.



    You may not condone the mass rape of children - and the systematic covering up of this, and spreading it around the world - but attending a mass given by the one person who might make amends to the survivors - as well as try to prevent it happening right now is something that all attendees should think about.


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    #1462
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Whether you wish to admit it or not you are going to show your support for the leader of an organisation than engaged in the widespread rape and abuse of children. Your faith can be practiced anywhere. So please stop being a hypocrite.

    Yes anywhere including in the Park if I choose.


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    #1463
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    Even though he wasn't here until 79.

    Sure they’ve changed leadsinger a couple of times since then too. The songs are the same though as are the backing singers. The cheerleaders however adhere to the “see no evil hear no evil speak no evil” approach. Alls good, nothing to see even though they are drowning in evidence to the contrary.


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    #1464
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Nice avoiding of the actual issues.

    What are the actual issues here?

    I don't think you are here to engage in an actual conversation here, you just want to spout half-truths and lies in order to feel good about yourself.


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    #1465
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    markodaly wrote:
    Your a SF supporter. You and your like supported a leader of the party for over 25 years, who was a high ranking member of a terrorist organisation, engaged in murder, maiming, violence and torture of men, women, and children. So please stop being a hypocrite.


    Never have supported SF but what has politics got to do with the visit of Frank?


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    #1466
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    markodaly wrote: »
    All they need to know? No room for the whys or the hows, just room for Trump-like levels of critical thinking.

    Well, they also need to know if the church has done anything significant to make reparations or prevent future abuse. No on both counts.

    That's all anyone needs to know.


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    #1467
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Not going to the Phoenix Park isn't hiding or changing your faith.



    You may not condone the mass rape of children - and the systematic covering up of this, and spreading it around the world - but attending a mass given by the one person who might make amends to the survivors - as well as try to prevent it happening right now is something that all attendees should think about.

    What makes you think we don’t think about it? I have struggled with my faith for years and even tried to make myself stopped believing as a way support the victims of the church but it just didn’t sit right with me.

    I’m sorry for any hurt that might cause you and others but I can’t change what I believe.

    If I were to choose not to go to the park now it would only give more ammunition to those who want to believe I think it’s ok to hurt children. They’d jump on it as an admition of guilt by me.


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    #1468
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    AudreyHepburn wrote:
    Yes anywhere including in the Park if I choose.


    When Frank is there with the rest of the hierarchy that covered up the abuse of children?


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    #1469
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Why's or how's?Are you trying to justify child abuse and rape?

    LOL, a big leap there my friend.

    Don;t want to engage in the ladybird version of history = justify child abuse.

    Oh, the answer is no, of course :rolleyes:

    So, again, no room for the hows and why?


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    #1470
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    AtomicHorror wrote:
    That's all anyone needs to know.


    Sure didn't Frank accuse Chilean abuse victims of being liars. I can really see him being a shining beacon for full disclosure of the crimes committed by the clergy.


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    #1471
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    It wouldn't be your front garden then. I thought all atheists would be all over this lad as he believes in a lot of the stuff they believe, evolution being one example.

    Plenty of terrible people also believe in gravity and the thermal properties of CO2. Should we give them a free pass on crimes generally or just cover ups and the like?


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