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Dairy Chitchat 3

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    #152
    Timmaay
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    Injuryprone wrote: »
    Just a note on the FRS prices, AFAIK the FRS worker would be insured against letting antibiotics into the tank or forgetting to put the hose in the tank etc. So that would add a bit to the charge

    An frs milker here forgot to close the tank valve here many yrs ago with my dad, and I don't think he had any success getting anything towards the lost milk! Not closing the tank valve, not turning the tank on, or letting a red tape cow into the tank are the big 3 absolutely NO NOs here and all milkers get told that fairly clearly at the start, never been an issue with any of the lads I've had thankfully.


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    #153
    whelan2
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    An frs milker here forgot to close the tank valve here many yrs ago with my dad, and I don't think he had any success getting anything towards the lost milk! Not closing the tank valve, not turning the tank on, or letting a red tape cow into the tank are the big 3 absolutely NO NOs here and all milkers get told that fairly clearly at the start, never been an issue with any of the lads I've had thankfully.

    Check the dairy after first row goes out is the main point here


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    #154
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Mooooo wrote: »
    Most lads would have cover for part time workers and milk cover on their insurance policies anyway I assume?

    I think there is a limit on claims from one policy, once every 3 years iirc?


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    #155
    GrasstoMilk
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    Anyone know how much meal and what % protein you would need to feed maiden heifers if they were just fed straw for the winter?


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    #156
    Mooooo
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Anyone know how much meal and what % protein you would need to feed maiden heifers if they were just fed straw for the winter?

    I think it's something like .5kg for every 50kg liveweight, would want good ingredients too soya as protein source etc. Not sure what you would have to make it up to, 20 +% maybe?


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    #157
    GrasstoMilk
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    Mooooo wrote: »
    I think it's something like .5kg for every 50kg liveweight, would want good ingredients too soya as protein source etc. Not sure what you would have to make it up to, 20 +% maybe?

    That's probably about 2.5 kg then fir 220 kg heifers? We usually feed that much with silage most winters but it would be an 18% nut. I have silage in there yard but I'd like to keep it for milkers if I could


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    #158
    orm0nd
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    most likely be feeding haylage here & keeping the silage for the milkers,

    intend getting a 15% high quality beef ration blown in for culls and a few finishing heifers

    for the weanlings we will add soya bean meal to bring meal p to about 21% & feed about 3 kgs reducing amount & p as the winter goes on

    it's going to a costly winter one way or another


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    #159
    Timmaay
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    it's going to a costly winter one way or another

    On hindsight last winter was incredible cheap for us here, for the milkers maize and leafy paddock bales which woulda both cost about 13c/kgdm, alongside the bare 3kg of a 24% protein balancer nut, and the incalf heifers were out strip grazing an outside block up until Jan. All went tits up from mid Feb onwards obviously tho ha.

    I'm working out that between feeding the winter milkers and bridging the gap in my fodder deficit I'll need another 70tons dm, and as things stand energy will cost at a minimum 20c/kgdm, and more like 25 to 30c if it's all bought in concentrates.


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    #160
    freedominacup
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    That's probably about 2.5 kg then fir 220 kg heifers? We usually feed that much with silage most winters but it would be an 18% nut. I have silage in there yard but I'd like to keep it for milkers if I could

    From memory heifers need 70-80mj per day. Roughly equivalent to 6.5kg dm of good quality feed. Protein needs to be good quality rather than a %. Half a kg of soya goes a long way to supplying this. 10 kg silage fresh, 2kg of straw and 3kg of meal incl .5kg of soya would be a reasonable mix. A 120 day winter for 40 heifers would be covered by 60 bales of silage with that diet.


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    #161
    GrasstoMilk
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    From memory heifers need 70-80mj per day. Roughly equivalent to 6.5kg dm of good quality feed. Protein needs to be good quality rather than a %. Half a kg of soya goes a long way to supplying this. 10 kg silage fresh, 2kg of straw and 3kg of meal incl .5kg of soya would be a reasonable mix. A 120 day winter for 40 heifers would be covered by 60 bales of silage with that diet.

    They're on an outfarm with 2 lean twos and ring feeders. Not able to make up a diet like that for them. Thanks for that though


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    #162
    GrasstoMilk
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    Walked a paddock we overseeded here on the 26th of July. It has gotten a great take. We need rain here soon or grass will become an issue again. Pr heading for 3.9 abd fat heading for 4.8


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    #163
    Mooooo
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    P at 3.6 here bf stubbornly staying below 4 at 3.9. Doing between 24.5 and 25 litres. Had a high urea result at 49 as are in leafy covers, thought the fert would be ok but this is drier ground where growth has come in more of a burst whereas the heavier ground had recovered faster so perhaps used up the n more gradually.


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    #164
    freedominacup
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    They're on an outfarm with 2 lean twos and ring feeders. Not able to make up a diet like that for them. Thanks for that though

    Requirements are the same. Hard to make sure every animal is getting their allocation unless they are very even.


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    #165
    awaywithyou
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    Just wondering lads has the deadline for spreading FYM been extended as well as the slurry/fert??


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    #166
    charolais0153
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    awaywithyou wrote: »
    Just wondering lads has the deadline for spreading FYM been extended as well as the slurry/fert??

    Dont think so


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    #167
    GrasstoMilk
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    awaywithyou wrote: »
    Just wondering lads has the deadline for spreading FYM been extended as well as the slurry/fert??

    Yes 2 weeks aswell I believe


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    #168
    Mooooo
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    Irfu making use of milk anyway
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BmyNs0ln4cG/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=aaqepo1ib2ov


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    #169
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Mooooo wrote: »
    Irfu making use of milk anyway
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BmyNs0ln4cG/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=aaqepo1ib2ov
    Comment section with 'Coconut milk is a good choice':pac:


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    #170
    GrasstoMilk
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    What sort of money are contractors charging for second cut SP silage?


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    #171
    Reggie.
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    What sort of money are contractors charging for second cut SP silage?

    Same as first cut


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    #172
    Keepgrowing
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    What sort of money are contractors charging for second cut SP silage?

    Usually 30% less but depends on how heavy it is


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    #173
    Reggie.
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    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Usually 30% less but depends on how heavy it is

    Not a hope of that around here


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    #174
    Mooooo
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    Normal year here twud be 110 first and 100 second but there wouldn't always be a massive difference in amount of grass in both cuts here


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    #175
    Timmaay
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    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    What sort of money are contractors charging for second cut SP silage?

    If it's a light cut a wagon could make sense?


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    #176
    Reggie.
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    If it's a light cut a wagon could make sense?

    Or a baler


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    #177
    mf240
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Comment section with 'Coconut milk is a good choice':pac:

    How many times a day do they milk the coconuts


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    #178
    Mooooo
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    mf240 wrote: »
    How many times a day do they milk the coconuts

    Desperate feckers for giving a belt in the head apparently


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    #179
    Timmaay
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Or a baler

    Plenty of room in pits in nearly every yard here...


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    #180
    Reggie.
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    Plenty of room in pits in nearly every yard here...

    Yeah but from a costing point of view it might be cheaper


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    #181
    alps
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Yeah but from a costing point of view it might be cheaper

    Deciding that here today...costing 8.50 bale, wrap and stack, plus 3 to haul, now and rake myself...reckon beyond 6 bales per acre the pit is cheaper.

    In a bit if a bind in that our hybrids have headed. Only grazed 5 weeks and got 100N 3and a half weeks ago, but it has not grown that well and looks completely stressed for water...


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