Dairy Chitchat 3

whelan2

kevthegaff wrote: »

Anyone notice it's gone very quiet here lately

WE'RE all either depressed, broke or busy or possibly all 3. Silage in today. Good full pit

visatorro

kevthegaff wrote:

Anyone notice it's gone very quiet here lately

What do you say, most are just fed up with the year. Don't want to be on here moaning all the time!

Signpost

Off topic entirely but easiest place to get an answer hopefully! For the holiday visa to USA (esta?) what do ye all put down as employer? Do I just use my own name and phone number or do I give Edmond Scanlon from Kerry's name and number or whats the easiest solution?

straight

This looks easy. 😀
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=230680974276516&id=1466271413598078

Mooooo

Scanned Today, 1 empty heifer and 1 to recheck other 40 incalf. Cows 17% empty, a bit disappointed. A couple i thought were empty were incalf but a few served early on showed empty.

kevthegaff

Mooooo wrote:

Scanned Today, 1 empty heifer and 1 to recheck other 40 incalf. Cows 17% empty, a bit disappointed. A couple i thought were empty were incalf but a few served early on showed empty.

Anyone try the milk recording instead of scanning?

Mooooo

kevthegaff wrote: »

Anyone try the milk recording instead of scanning?

I haven't, vet mentioned lads are scanning a bit more and earlier this year. Asked him did milk test have any effect on the scanning side of business for them and he said no, more people seem to be scanning in recent years.

Timmaay

kevthegaff wrote: »

Anyone try the milk recording instead of scanning?

It doesn't give you a date, just a yes or no. It's also more expensive than normal scanning. I get a chap here with a non arming scanner (on a 2ft probe instead), he can do a full crush no problems, I do it while milking, my relief milker milks, and I sort the cows and take numbers. He can also tell me twins/cists etc.

MF290

https://www.lely.com/orbiter/

Is this new or are there already set ups like this available?

visatorro

Timmaay wrote:

It doesn't give you a date, just a yes or no. It's also more expensive than normal scanning. I get a chap here with a non arming scanner (on a 2ft probe instead), he can do a full crush no problems, I do it while milking, my relief milker milks, and I sort the cows and take numbers. He can also tell me twins/cists etc.

I found too many inconclusive with milk. You'd have to handle anyway. That's a few years ago, maybe it's improved

blackdog1

First case of summer mastitis on a heifer 2 weeks from calving... Lovely. Still feeding 10 kg of silage and 9 kg of meal sadly. However who ever said you can't produce good solids on silage is talking ****e. Cows doing 25 litres at 4.05 fat and 3.77 protein. That's with a good few autumn calvers i have to dry this week.

Mooooo

Timmaay wrote: »

It doesn't give you a date, just a yes or no. It's also more expensive than normal scanning. I get a chap here with a non arming scanner (on a 2ft probe instead), he can do a full crush no problems, I do it while milking, my relief milker milks, and I sort the cows and take numbers. He can also tell me twins/cists etc.

Vet has that as well, probe goes into a curved pipe, super job no cows projectile ****ting across the parlour and can do em from outside the crush. He still handled the empty ones with prope in hand to make sure as bull was out the 26 july or if he couldn't get a good view with probe in pipe thing

Bo dearg

I have a field refusing to grow.
Grass turns yellow in patches and tips look burnt. Fertility is good and getting fertilizer like all other paddocks. Can grass get rust like barley or could it be low in something else?

whelan2

Bo dearg wrote: »

I have a field refusing to grow.
Grass turns yellow in patches and tips look burnt. Fertility is good and getting fertilizer like all other paddocks. Can grass get rust like barley or could it be low in something else?

Has it been soil tested?

Bo dearg

whelan2 wrote: »

Has it been soil tested?

yes last year needs 2ton of lime but ok otherwise. it got 2 bags 18/6/12 about 4 weeks ago but looks hungry and brutal colour. It grows a bit then turns yellow and stops

GrasstoMilk

Bo dearg wrote: »

yes last year needs 2ton of lime but ok otherwise. it got 2 bags 18/6/12 about 4 weeks ago but looks hungry and brutal colour. It grows a bit then turns yellow and stops

Is it only at this time of year or all the time? If just time of year it sounds like rust. Just graze it off is the only thing for it

whelan2

Does it ever get slurry?

Say my name

Bo dearg wrote: »

yes last year needs 2ton of lime but ok otherwise. it got 2 bags 18/6/12 about 4 weeks ago but looks hungry and brutal colour. It grows a bit then turns yellow and stops

You can have too much calcium in the ground too ya know.
Calcium overload gives that burnt look on grass.

You could get a basic pH soil test and it comes back as low with a recommendation to spread 2 ton/acre of lime. But unless you get a proper element constituent test you won't know how much of each elements that plant is getting.

Calcium is a big element in the ground (like a football).
All the rest are like ping pong balls.
Too many footballs around the root and in the root blocks the root from getting any access to those ping pong balls.

Advice would be to get a proper Albrecht type soil test done to see the breakdown of the elements in the soil.
Pay particular attention to the calcium : magnesium ratio.

That's the proper advice.
For the short term quick buster fix.
Spread boron in your next application of fertilizer to bust all that calcium blocking your roots.
Then if you have to spread lime make sure it's a magnesium lime you're spreading.
But that's a very strong speculation on my part.

The proper advice is to get a detailed soil test to see what's really going on.
It could even be compaction but with the dry soil cracking weather just gone highly unlikely.

Bo dearg

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Is it only at this time of year or all the time? If just time of year it sounds like rust. Just graze it off is the only thing for it

yes this time of year. Up untill august it grows fine. I resseded some neighbouring fields for this reason and it still affects them but not as bad. Tip of the grass leaf stays blunt and burnt looking

Bo dearg

whelan2 wrote: »

Does it ever get slurry?

yes slurry most years and dung in past years too

Bo dearg

Say my name wrote: »

You can have too much calcium in the ground too ya know.
Calcium overload gives that burnt look on grass.

You could get a basic pH soil test and it comes back as low with a recommendation to spread 2 ton/acre of lime. But unless you get a proper element constituent test you won't know how much of each elements that plant is getting.

Calcium is a big element in the ground (like a football).
All the rest are like ping pong balls.
Too many footballs around the root and in the root blocks the root from getting any access to those ping pong balls.

Advice would be to get a proper Albrecht type soil test done to see the breakdown of the elements in the soil.
Pay particular attention to the calcium : magnesium ratio.

That's the proper advice.
For the short term quick buster fix.
Spread boron in your next application of fertilizer to bust all that calcium blocking your roots.
Then if you have to spread lime make sure it's a magnesium lime you're spreading.
But that's a very strong speculation on my part.

The proper advice is to get a detailed soil test to see what's really going on.
It could even be compaction but with the dry soil cracking weather just gone highly unlikely.

Cheers. I was going to test again over the winter. I'll. give the boron a go too it must be short on something

Say my name

Bo dearg wrote: »

Cheers. I was going to test again over the winter. I'll. give the boron a go too it must be short on something

Let us know how it gets on.

Don't forget Whelan's suggestion of the slurry. There's a certain amount of boron in slurry too.
But in the fert you'd be 100% sure of the amount going on.

I had a field that went like that after getting limed the previous autumn. It was soil tested in the spring and was extremely high in calcium but the pH was in the normal range.
Boron in the fertilizer this year turned it inside out. It also got a small bit (a 50kg bag/ac) of magnesium in fertilizer too (Sweetgrass).

Edit: maybe it's because I'm looking at biostimulant clips on YouTube but a seaweed foliar spray would do it a power of good as well.
You'd be going at it from both ends so to speak.

Reggie.

Bo dearg wrote: »

I have a field refusing to grow.
Grass turns yellow in patches and tips look burnt. Fertility is good and getting fertilizer like all other paddocks. Can grass get rust like barley or could it be low in something else?

Seen that in some fields here too

older by the day

Sorry for butting in and changing the subject, I'm predipping with Quattro foam, 40 Euro which is good, it lasts a long time. I changed post dip to blu-gard dip this year delighted with results. Great teat condition it's fly repellent and my cell is good. Even the dodgy girls seem to be staying low. Problem is its 65 Euro every four weeks. I'm slow to change, might get a barrel thud be cheaper. Mastocide would not be much cheaper. Any other strong thick teat dip going ?

mahoney_j

older by the day wrote: »

Sorry for butting in and changing the subject, I'm predipping with Quattro foam, 40 Euro which is good, it lasts a long time. I changed post dip to blu-gard dip this year delighted with results. Great teat condition it's fly repellent and my cell is good. Even the dodgy girls seem to be staying low. Problem is its 65 Euro every four weeks. I'm slow to change, might get a barrel thud be cheaper. Mastocide would not be much cheaper. Any other strong thick teat dip going ?

Buy a 200 Ltrs drum ,I buy all test dip acid and detergent in 200 Ltrs and there’s a fair saving over the 20 Ltrs drums

Gawddawggonnit

mahoney_j wrote: »

Buy a 200 Ltrs drum ,I buy all test dip acid and detergent in 200 Ltrs and there’s a fair saving over the 20 Ltrs drums

1000L IBC tank is the best value. I buy in Ireland and get it transported out.
Ark Shield it’s called. Happy enough with it. Used to pre-dip with it but now use peracetic acid instead.

straight

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

1000L IBC tank is the best value. I buy in Ireland and get it transported out.
Ark Shield it’s called. Happy enough with it. Used to pre-dip with it but now use peracetic acid instead.

Have been meaning to switch to ark shield from deosan for a while. Good to get a recommendation. 1000L would do me about 20 years though

Injuryprone

Bo dearg wrote: »

I have a field refusing to grow.
Grass turns yellow in patches and tips look burnt. Fertility is good and getting fertilizer like all other paddocks. Can grass get rust like barley or could it be low in something else?

https://www.afbini.gov.uk/news/afbi-research-highlights-crown-rust-increasing-problem-grass

atlantic mist

scanning completed here 14% empty, a lot higher than normal but considering the hardship they went throu during breeding season between the snow and drought its not surprising

poor results from AI, left too much work for stock bulls both are wreaked after season

done scanning through milk test last two years, found there was to many to recheck each time, and a % showed up as in calf but were actually empty

yosemitesam1

wrote:

https://www.afbini.gov.uk/news/afbi-...-problem-grass

A little bit of species diversity would solve that without the need for spending lots of money on breeding 'resistance'

Gawddawggonnit

http://www.lafranceagricole.fr/actualites/elevage/secheresse-la-confederation-paysanne-veut-revoir-le-modele-agricole-1,4,2748606400.html

Imagine, just imagine, if an Irish farming organization came out with the like of this...

Sacrolyte

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

http://www.lafranceagricole.fr/actualites/elevage/secheresse-la-confederation-paysanne-veut-revoir-le-modele-agricole-1,4,2748606400.html

Imagine, just imagine, if an Irish farming organization came out with the like of this...

Translate, S’il vous plait?

whelan2

4 calves born this morning. 4 Friesian heifers.

Mooooo

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Translate, S’il vous plait?

If you open it in chrome there should be an option to view in english

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

4 calves born this morning. 4 Friesian heifers.

How long will your autumn calving period be? Grand weather to have for outside calving

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

How long will your autumn calving period be? Grand weather to have for outside calving

Until end of October. Was to be 6 weeks but it is a bit longer this year

Sacrolyte

Mooooo wrote: »

If you open it in chrome there should be an option to view in english

Chrome ?? Sorry. Technophobe here. You’ll have to translate that too

stanflt

Got 3rd cut done- came into 468 bales
Have another 15 acres to mow this week- should be ok

Reggie.

stanflt wrote: »

Got 3rd cut done- came into 468 bales
Have another 15 acres to mow this week- should be ok

Ya must be having a slow day if your on here

stanflt

Reggie. wrote: »

Ya must be having a slow day if your on here

Just home from herding- heading to tayto park now

Reggie.

stanflt wrote: »

Just home from herding- heading to tayto park now

Say she's delighted. Should have left ya few for today

stanflt

Reggie. wrote: »

Say she's delighted. Should have left ya few for today

Na thanks

The thoughts of more this week

whelan2

stanflt wrote: »

Got 3rd cut done- came into 468 bales
Have another 15 acres to mow this week- should be ok

Mowing 35 acres here for bales now. It's 3rd cut too. Might chance another cut from it

Reggie.

stanflt wrote: »

Na thanks

The thoughts of more this week

It'll crown ya considering ya barely touched the 468

stanflt

Reggie. wrote: »

It'll crown ya considering ya barely touched the 468

Sure my back is broke from carrying the team

Reggie.

stanflt wrote: »

Sure my back is broke from carrying the team

Only seen ya at the end. As usual

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Chrome ?? Sorry. Technophobe here. You’ll have to translate that too

It's a different web browser, like safari or internet explorer or firefox.

visatorro

stanflt wrote:

Got 3rd cut done- came into 468 bales Have another 15 acres to mow this week- should be ok

Will they all go in the tub feeder?

stanflt

visatorro wrote: »

Will they all go in the tub feeder?

Yeah

Buford T. Justice XIX

Greenfields update.
https://twitter.com/dfogarty6/status/1035974653456605185?s=19