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Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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    #5282
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    Ah they never go well no matter how good your argument. Best not to engage imo... as hard as that may be.

    I've found mocking the size of their endowment a great way of dealing with idiots in cars. It momentarily confuses them and instantly defuses a situation.


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    #5283
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,516 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    P_1 wrote: »
    I've found mocking the size of their endowment a great way of dealing with idiots in cars.
    'ha ha, your father did not leave you enough money to pay your college fees *and* sustain your drug hait'
    that sort of thing?


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    #5284
    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu




    This taxi driver almost went right through me this morning, I couldn't believe it, I was heading down O'Connell St. When we pulls right across me, for no reason, as there was a bus pulling in ahead.:confused:
    Reg numbers and taxi driver numbers can be found in the youtube video


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    #5285
    What Username Guidelines
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    papu wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykYnXOqRbaE&feature=youtu.be

    This taxi driver almost went right through me this morning, I couldn't believe it, I was heading down O'Connell St. When we pulls right across me, for no reason, as there was a bus pulling in ahead.:confused:
    Reg numbers and taxi driver numbers can be found in the youtube video

    Considering the bus up ahead, He wasn’t a fan of you leaving the cycle lane and was pushing you back in. This type of behaviour is unbelievable. Some people really don’t realise the damage they could do if they get it wrong.

    I’d have done exactly as you did with truck and bus, sometimes you just can’t win. I’ve found a little mirror at the end of the handlebar is invaluable. You can take the lane but if someone is that much of an asshole you can at least move in towards kerb just as they reach you to negate the danger.


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    #5286
    buffalo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭buffalo


    papu wrote: »
    This taxi driver almost went right through me this morning, I couldn't believe it, I was heading down O'Connell St. When we pulls right across me, for no reason, as there was a bus pulling in ahead.:confused:
    Reg numbers and taxi driver numbers can be found in the youtube video

    What's really odd after all that is that the driver leaves you plenty of space on the inside at the lights. The generosity of the bullying motorist.


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    #5287
    P_1
    Registered Users Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    'ha ha, your father did not leave you enough money to pay your college fees *and* sustain your drug hait'
    that sort of thing?

    Well usually its another type of endowment but I might just add that to the repertoire ;)


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    #5288
    check_six
    Registered Users Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    papu wrote: »

    This taxi driver almost went right through me this morning, I couldn't believe it, I was heading down O'Connell St. When we pulls right across me, for no reason, as there was a bus pulling in ahead.:confused:
    Reg numbers and taxi driver numbers can be found in the youtube video

    Sure that may not have been a punishment swerve at all. He may not even have been looking out the windscreen as he was rolling past you. He was probably just checking something on his phone, or climbing into the back seat to get his breakfast roll. You're not the centre of the universe you know! :eek::eek:

    Also, I'm sure that the footage must have been sped up somehow as I'm sure a professional driver would never be breaching the 30km/h motor vehicle speed limit on O'Connell St. ;)

    In other news I spotted a motorist complete a near perfect left hook on a cyclist on a shared footpath based cycletrack. They spotted the cyclist from several hundred metres away (big sightlines on this stretch of road). They slowed just enough to reach the corner as the cyclist was about to continue straight on. The indicators were flicked on and the steering wheel was turned hard left.

    Unfortunately for the driver, the cyclist was alive to the danger and jammed on. The driver was startled by this development and stopped in sympathy. The cyclist continued on with nary a sideways glance at the loolah that had nearly flattened them. The driver then beeped in anger at having their prey escape their clutches. They were shouting to themselves as they finally made the turn.

    As an observer on the adjoining road I could do little more than wag my finger at them and shout the broad colloquial equivalent of "Your capacity to utilise your mental faculties is substantially less than your parents would have hoped for". They looked up at me in surprise and possibly, I'd like to think, a minute flicker of shame.


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    #5289
    Seth Brundle
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    check_six wrote: »
    In other news I spotted a motorist complete a near perfect left hook on a cyclist on a shared footpath based cycletrack.
    If the cyclist was on the footpath then from your story it sounds like they almost cycled straight out into the oncoming turning car.
    The car should have anticipated it but the blame would be mainly with the cyclist had anything happened.


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    #5290
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    If the cyclist was on the footpath then from your story it sounds like they almost cycled straight out into the oncoming turning car.
    The car should have anticipated it but the blame would be mainly with the cyclist had anything happened.

    You might want to have a little read again:
    check_six wrote: »

    In other news I spotted a motorist complete a near perfect left hook on a cyclist on a shared footpath based cycletrack.


    It was a mixed use cycle lane. The incident itself highlights how **** it is as a piece of infrastructure too by the sounds of things, and reading your reaction.


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    #5291
    check_six
    Registered Users Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    nee wrote: »
    It was a mixed use cycle lane. The incident itself highlights how **** it is as a piece of infrastructure too by the sounds of things, and reading your reaction.

    Yeah, it was a half footpath half cycle track. The cycletrack rejoins the road about 10 metres from each junction. Obviously to this particular motorist they felt that the cyclist should be able to yield to someone who was behind them up until the last second or two before the turn. Junctions are a hazard anyway, but this design does not help.


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    #5292
    average_runner
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    check_six wrote: »
    Yeah, it was a half footpath half cycle track. The cycletrack rejoins the road about 10 metres from each junction. Obviously to this particular motorist they felt that the cyclist should be able to yield to someone who was behind them up until the last second or two before the turn. Junctions are a hazard anyway, but this design does not help.

    Alot of those cycle paths have a yield sign painted on them when merging onto the road, why they don't have a sign at eye height, I don't know.


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    #5293
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    average_runner wrote: »
    Alot of those cycle paths have a yield sign painted on them when merging onto the road, why they don't have a sign at eye height, I don't know.

    Firing people out within 10m of a junction is a fundamentally flawed piece of infrastructure. This is the number one reason I avoid almost all cycle paths like the plague. Motorists blindness to a whole traffic lane to their left is astounding, but these lanes are also more often than not designed to make the cyclist a surprise on the motorists' left.
    I don't think mixed use paths really work either but that's another discussion.


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    #5294
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,846 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    nee wrote: »
    Firing people out within 10m of a junction is a fundamentally flawed piece of infrastructure. This is the number one reason I avoid almost all cycle paths like the plague. Motorists blindness to a whole traffic lane to their left is astounding, but these lanes are also more often than not designed to make the cyclist a surprise on the motorists' left.
    I don't think mixed use paths really work either but that's another discussion.

    Is Ireland, we half arse do things and that won't change in the near future


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    #5295
    Steoller
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    depends on if by 'rejoins the road' check_six means this, with no yield that continues as a lane on the road through the junction, 

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    or this that drops you into the main lane at a junction?

    457157.PNG


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    #5296
    magicbastarder
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    the first of those two is dangerous anyway if leading up to a junction; because the motorist should still yield to the cyclist if turning left, but often won't register them because the motorist's mental radar is focussing on the road.


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    #5297
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,166 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the first of those two is dangerous anyway if leading up to a junction; because the motorist should still yield to the cyclist if turning left, but often won't register them because the motorist's mental radar is focussing on the road.

    If the "slip on" starts 20m ahead of the junction its fine, problem is the ones that do it 3m before.


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    #5298
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,166 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    For example, one of the very few bits of infra that SDCC have managed to not mess up.

    BcdFfQj.jpg


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    #5299
    magicbastarder
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    ED E wrote: »
    If the "slip on" starts 20m ahead of the junction its fine, problem is the ones that do it 3m before.
    20m is not enough, that's about four or five cars parked bumper to bumper.
    the image you posted shows probably 60m or more.


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    #5300
    ED E
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    Yeah its more like 70m + but thats a road that doesn't provide any access to side streets so has the facility for a long transition. In most locations thats not possible but 30m anyways should be enough if not 20m.


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    #5301
    check_six
    Registered Users Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the first of those two is dangerous anyway if leading up to a junction; because the motorist should still yield to the cyclist if turning left, but often won't register them because the motorist's mental radar is focussing on the road.

    In the second photo (track dumps you on to the road at 90 degrees to the flow of traffic) there is a yield sign because the track is a wonky design and it is a get out clause for the engineer.

    In the second photo (track slips down on to the main carriageway) there are a few varieties of swerving through turning lanes and disappearing completely. I'm sure I've seen one with a yield at the junction (there's that famous one in Galway, Doughiska something). What does that even mean? You're travelling on the main road with the right of way and then BOOM! yield to everyone? Is it yield to people swinging a right turn from the other side of the road? Is it yield to people at the red light on the adjoining road? Is it yield to people behind you who are still making up their mind what they would like to do at the junction? Does it mean everyone else at the junction can have a free hit at you and it is your fault? It makes no sense to turn you into a free target and is a disgraceful dereliction of duty of care on the behalf of the road designers.


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    #5302
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Can anyone tell me the significance of the bicycle signs on the road on Bird Avenue?

    Was it because they forgot to put bicycle lanes when they narrowed the road ?


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    #5303
    Pinch Flat
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    papu wrote: »


    This taxi driver almost went right through me this morning, I couldn't believe it, I was heading down O'Connell St. When we pulls right across me, for no reason, as there was a bus pulling in ahead.:confused:
    Reg numbers and taxi driver numbers can be found in the youtube video

    Taxi mans teaching you a lesson. Have this daily in the shared bus / bike lane just around the corner. Had some oaf in a taxi follow me westbound on the south quays, laying on his horn for about 300 yards the other evening. Plenty of space to overtake. He really needs to get that horn on his car looked at, because it was miking his face very red as well.


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    #5304
    Ray Bloody Purchase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    I cycle through KCR to Templeogue Bridge every day both ways. When i'm using the cycle path, who has right of way? Is it drivers turning into or coming out of adjoining roads?

    I think all roads into the left (off the main road) have the cycle path continuing (the red speed ramp) through the road.

    Do i have to yield to drivers turning in? Also, are drivers allowed straddle the path/speed ramp as they are waiting to turn out onto the main road.


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    #5305
    Alanstrainor
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 23,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »
    I cycle through KCR to Templeogue Bridge every day both ways. When i'm using the cycle path, who has right of way? Is it drivers turning into or coming out of adjoining roads?

    I think all roads into the left (off the main road) have the cycle path continuing (the red speed ramp) through the road.

    Do i have to yield to drivers turning in? Also, are drivers allowed straddle the path/speed ramp as they are waiting to turn out onto the main road.

    You should provide some links to the junctions you mention. But who has right of way depends. If a vehicle ahead has its left indicator on and is moving to make the turn then you must yield as a cyclist and allow them to turn. But if you are ahead and approaching a junction where you intend to proceed straight, a car must yield to you and cannot force an overtake to make a left turn across you.

    All vehicles/bicycles using auxiliary roads to the left must yield to you. They cannot straddle the path of the main road waiting to turn.


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    #5306
    Ray Bloody Purchase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    You should provide some links to the junctions you mention. But who has right of way depends. If a vehicle ahead has its left indicator on and is moving to make the turn then you must yield as a cyclist and allow them to turn. But if you are ahead and approaching a junction where you intend to proceed straight, a car must yield to you and cannot force an overtake to make a left turn across you.

    All vehicles/bicycles using auxiliary roads to the left must yield to you. They cannot straddle the path of the main road waiting to turn.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3018846,-6.3095349,3a,75y,188.71h,92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2jnbhu8J_S0cJsI-Qt7z6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    For example, that junction there.


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    #5307
    Alanstrainor
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 23,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3018846,-6.3095349,3a,75y,188.71h,92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2jnbhu8J_S0cJsI-Qt7z6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    For example, that junction there.

    Oh I get ya. In that case you must yield on both counts, cars turning in and cars waiting to move out. A car can straddle the track when waiting to enter the main road in this case. Terrible road design and I can't say I would use that track. I was thinking it was an on-road type.


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    #5308
    Ray Bloody Purchase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    Oh I get ya. In that case you must yield on both counts, cars turning in and cars waiting to move out. A car can straddle the track when waiting to enter the main road in this case. Terrible road design and I can't say I would use that track. I was thinking it was an on-road type.

    Thanks for that. It's fairly bumpy, particularly at the junctions.

    Some mornings, there's a lorry that pulls out from one of those junctions which takes up the ramp and a good bit of road. I usually have to go out onto the main road as he finds it hard to get out due to traffic and it's not possible to go around him.


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    #5309
    Alanstrainor
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 23,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Love this in the most recent 2018 rules of the road:

    457240.png

    That's not correct is it?


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    #5310
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »
    Thanks for that. It's fairly bumpy, particularly at the junctions.

    Some mornings, there's a lorry that pulls out from one of those junctions which takes up the ramp and a good bit of road. I usually have to go out onto the main road as he finds it hard to get out due to traffic and it's not possible to go around him.

    Landscaping truck by any chance?

    Use this route too and have opted to use the road instead for >12 years at this stage. Yield signs on cycle track are faded, there are so many junctions and each one means you have to yield in 3 directions - traffic from behind turning left, traffic from the estates, and traffic coming from in front of you which may be turning into the estate.

    To top it all off, if heading towards town, you get forced left at the roundabout. Trying to rejoin at the roundabout is suicidal, as most motorists at that point are paying attention to traffic coming from their right side. One more irritation is the roundabout sign is at the perfect height to block a drivers view of you if they're entering from Templeogue college side.

    Sorry, rant over.

    In all fairness tho, I've only ever had one person beep and gesture towards the track in all my years using that route. This lad happened to properly lose the plot, but thats another story :)


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    #5311
    Ray Bloody Purchase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Landscaping truck by any chance?

    Use this route too and have opted to use the road instead for >12 years at this stage. Yield signs on cycle track are faded, there are so many junctions and each one means you have to yield in 3 directions - traffic from behind turning left, traffic from the estates, and traffic coming from in front of you which may be turning into the estate.

    To top it all off, if heading towards town, you get forced left at the roundabout. Trying to rejoin at the roundabout is suicidal, as most motorists at that point are paying attention to traffic coming from their right side. One more irritation is the roundabout sign is at the perfect height to block a drivers view of you if they're entering from Templeogue college side.

    Sorry, rant over.

    In all fairness tho, I've only ever had one person beep and gesture towards the track in all my years using that route. This lad happened to properly lose the plot, but thats another story :)

    Yeah, that's the one with the trailer on the back of it? I think he has a wood chipper or something attached onto it.

    The roundabout is shocking, so dangerous. Particularly on the way into town when you join the road from the path literally at the bloody junction.


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