Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

gunny123 · 10-06-2018 7:09pm

It seems if you have a youtube channel and the police do not like some of the comments your videos receive, they can deem you to be an extremist, in the UK anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3Ze0qt33s

Grizzly 45 · 10-06-2018 8:09pm

Not in the least bit surprised in Orwell's 1984 Britan these days.
The place is becoming more and more of a kip run by thought police more concerned about policing FB and YT for offensive "rascist" comments from white Christian hetero males, than dealing with machete gangs on scooters in London[and not offending a certain "religion of peace" who advocate every sort of despicable crime against "unbelievers".
Wouldnt be surprised if this sht starts over here soon as well.:mad:

gunny123 · 10-06-2018 8:18pm

I believe the latest thing is the police turning up mob-handed (3,or 4) to the doors of licence holders and demanding to inspect their security set-ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNx7G5tk1M

Nekarsulm · 10-06-2018 9:02pm

gunny123 wrote: »

It seems if you have a youtube channel and the police do not like some of the comments your videos receive, they can deem you to be an extremist,

And his was a fairly sensible and down-to-earth channel.

Walter Mittys Brother · 12-06-2018 10:45pm

"Big Brother" is always watching :eek:

gunny123 · 14-06-2018 5:28pm

https://pjmedia.com/trending/uk-police-shut-down-popular-gun-channel-on-youtube-branding-it-a-forum-of-extremism/

It seems the police in the Uk judged Callum's channel to be extremist, because he spoke about gunlaws and rights over there. Also the comments on his videos were judged to be extremist. How can someone be punished for what someone else wrote ?

Nekarsulm · 14-06-2018 6:04pm

You cannot be responsible for what others write, but perhaps the Police think that you should Moderate or remove extreme comments ( however you judge that).
The only thing I ever saw on his channel that raised an eyebrow was "What's in your gun safe" a series he planned whereby fans would show their safe's contents.

Only one video of this went online, and I wonder if the chap involved got any reaction from the Police?

Grizzly 45 · 14-06-2018 10:44pm

gunny123 wrote: »

https://pjmedia.com/trending/uk-police-shut-down-popular-gun-channel-on-youtube-branding-it-a-forum-of-extremism/

It seems the police in the Uk judged Callum's channel to be extremist because he spoke about gun laws and rights over there. Also, the comments on his videos were judged to be extremist. How can someone be punished for what someone else wrote?

Swear Callum was in a re-education centre the way he is talking on that video. This is exactly what a person who has been re-educated in a Gulag sounds like.:eek::eek:
In this day and age of the permanently offended and the UK thought police who knows? Only that the UK is turning into a depressing Orwellian state and kip of a place that is losing all its values it once held dear.Like freedom of thought, expression,free speech and continuous pandering and appeasement of a certain religion, who despises all of the values of what the UK once stood for.:(:(

Sad to see a nation that 120 years ago gave its subjects more rights and privilidges than the USA,turn into the very type of state our grandparents fought and died to prevent in both Nazi and Soviet oppression taking over.:(

gunny123 · 14-06-2018 11:27pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Swear Callum was in a re-education centre the way he is talking on that video. This is exactly what a person who has been re-educated in a Gulag sounds like.:eek::eek:
In this day and age of the permanently offended and the UK thought police who knows? Only that the UK is turning into a depressing Orwellian state and kip of a place that is losing all its values it once held dear.Like freedom of thought, expression,free speech and continuous pandering and appeasement of a certain religion, who despises all of the values of what the UK once stood for.:(:(

Sad to see a nation that 120 years ago gave its subjects more rights and privilidges than the USA,turn into the very type of state our grandparents fought and died to prevent in both Nazi and Soviet oppression taking over.:(

Its going exactly the same way here though Grizz, and we'll be there very shortly. As for callum being scared, i don't blame him, if he is tagged as an extremist, all sorts of madness can follow, having your bank accounts frozen, not being able to work in certain places, as well as the total loss of his sport.

I have to say this has really surprised me as his channel was one of the most inoffensive and fun channels there was, like hickok45 or bloke on the range, it was fun, not rkba etc.

Grizzly 45 · 15-06-2018 12:11pm

If you are going to be tagged as an extremist, you might as well act as one. He might as well face it, his guns are gone under that UK police dictatorship.

Cass · 01-07-2018 2:46pm

yubabill wrote: »

My thoughts on separating out security to a dedicated organisation revolve around professionalism: I will concede that senior Gardai increasingly have third level educations (I think Noirin O'S had three degrees), but the force lacks an officer corps, like the defence forces.

I have third level education myself so when i say i don't think that counts for spit, please understand it's not being a dissenter or some sort of snob towards those that hold an education. There is a difference between being well educated and suited to a profession and the ability to carry it out well. That won't mean we get our way, but it also means you won't stick someone with half the alphabet after their name in a position they know nothing about and work it only as to what looks good on paper.

We've had that for far too long and it's why we have the ridiculous laws we have now.

Putin is some operator, he's loving the rise of the far right in the West - the divisions (which I suspect he is stoking, even though he didn't start them) between Republicans and Dems in the US and between Visregard/EU must give him a warm fuzzy feeling as he goes to sleep at night.

I won't get into this too much here, and if the debate continues we can move to the off topic thread, but the "rise of the far right" is being emphasized and overplayed by the media and any/all effects exacerbated.

The far left worries me more. There has been calls in the US this week by Senators and Congressmen on the left to actively seek out President Trump supporters/staff and harass/attack them. It's open sedition. Italy refusing the latest boat load of soldier age militants refugees is the latest in a quickening attitude of people being fed up. When so many problems exist in our countries that are being ignored or not tended to people are tired of being told they must show compassion and give aid to others. The "tolerant" attitude of the left includes violence, harassment, attacks, assassinations, mass shootings, and then public denouncement of anyone that dare say such things should be stopped.

Anyway, i think the rest of this debate is better suited in the off topic thread.

As per all previous Commissioners we will only know how the man is doing after a year or so in the job. However i have somewhat hopeful expectations, which are not limited to firearms, about the new man as is not a student of the previous administrations.

Walter Mittys Brother · 01-07-2018 3:03pm

The far right have a habit of using all the same tactics Cass. The age old battle right vs left. Neither do sports shooters any favours.

Cass · 01-07-2018 3:11pm

I won't insult anyone's intelligence by trying to deny or defend that, but as of now, or the last few years, it's the far left. Antifa, BLM, gender wars, sedition, mass shootings, assassinations, riots, uncontrolled immigration, etc. all committed by the left under the guise of defending freedoms.

People have never had such liberties, freedoms, etc. (talking mostly about "developed countries") yet they protest as though they have never had it so bad. Most don't know what it was to have it bad, but public opinion is being forced in a direction most are not willing or able to comprehend and at such a speed as to give no time for people to adapt. Then anyone not willing to swallow the "party line" is labelled as fascist, racist, or as per Godwin's law, Nazi.

Walter Mittys Brother · 01-07-2018 3:25pm

I wouldn't disagree with what you've said but I will add no matter whether right or left are in ascendancy..............the rich & elite will still be the powerful

Cass · 01-07-2018 3:26pm

Yup.

Sparks · 01-07-2018 3:58pm

Antifa, BLM, gender wars, sedition, mass shootings, assassinations, riots, uncontrolled immigration, etc. all committed by the left under the guise of defending freedoms.

So, leaving aside the small point that BLM have stats on their side (the US police shooting more people per annum than the last 20 years of mass shootings combined and it being skewed on racial lines so far past the point of statistical significance that it's just a bad joke saying it's not happening), there's a small issue there with the mass shootings and assassinations because I can't think of many that were done by anyone we'd be able to call "far left" with a straight face.

As to the whole "let them drown" attitude that Italy's taking with refugees, they didn't have that attitude in 1946 when they were getting the equivalent of €13.5 billion pumped into them from abroad in aid because they were effectively refugees in their own country after a lot of WW2 had just rolled through the place.

What's Italian for "I'm alright Jack"? Apparently it's electing the Italian version of Donald Trump so he can call for letting the refugees drown while fleeing a warzone that Italy is providing logistical support for.
I mean, it's not as catchy as the UK showtunes version but it results in more drowned toddlers so I guess it has that going for it.

Walter Mittys Brother · 01-07-2018 4:41pm

It's simple. Mass immigration into the EU is not sustainable. A lot of these immigrants are economic migrants not refugees. The legitimate refugees should be helped by the countries wrecking their countries!

Ireland has gotten & still gets plenty of "aid" from abroad and real cost is starting to dawn on us now

Sparks · 01-07-2018 4:45pm

Walter Mittys Brother wrote: »

It's simple. Mass immigration into the EU is not sustainable. A lot of these immigrants are economic migrants not refugees.

Not the ones Italy is in the news complaining about at the moment - those are specifically Syrian refugees.

Walter Mittys Brother · 01-07-2018 4:50pm

Sparks wrote: »

Not the ones Italy is in the news complaining about at the moment - those are specifically Syrian refugees.

How can you tell? Do they have passports etc?

Cass · 01-07-2018 5:19pm

Sparks wrote: »

So, leaving aside the small point that BLM have stats on their side (the US police shooting more people per annum than the last 20 years of mass shootings combined and it being skewed on racial lines so far past the point of statistical significance.....

Hold on a minute.

Blacks make up 14% of the population of the US. Of that some 21 million are male so that is 7% of the total population. They are responsible for 62% of robberies, 57% of the total murders, and 45% of assaults (the number is actually less than 7% as its not all black men involved).

Given the disproportionately high rate of criminal offences committed by this low demographic the death rate will be higher.

If BLM were serious about black deaths they would look at everything and not just the 150 - 200 justified or 16 - 20 "unarmed" cases each year. They would also not have riots and protests that attack whites indiscriminately, and call for the murder of ALL police.

If they were serious they could look at cities like Chicago. There have been an average of 3,500 shootings and 650 deaths per year. In 2016 this number spiked to 4,500 shot. Not a word from them. When each weekend sees an average of 50 shooting with a spike of 84 not 2 months ago, and 9 fatalities there are bigger issues than saying "its the cops".

A black man is 87% more likely to be shot by another black man, but nobody dares to take on that topic because it's easier to cry racist and when you have Barry Obama stoking the fires of racial divides and inviting them into the White House they get a sense of moral superiority which means they don't have to explain themselves or their lack of effort in the real causes of such high death rates like why young black men turn to crime, community standards, community policing, outreach programs, ending gangs, etc.

Instead they are demanding reparations, that WHITES give up their houses to blacks and other fantasies that come from a generation that wants everything handed to them instead of working for it.

As for Antifa.............. any thoughts?

that it's just a bad joke saying it's not happening), there's a small issue there with the mass shootings and assassinations because I can't think of many that were done by anyone we'd be able to call "far left" with a straight face.

Who said the far left, i said the left, the Dems, the Donkeys, the "progressives", the "liberals".

As to the whole "let them drown" attitude that Italy's taking with refugees, they didn't have that attitude in 1946 when they were getting the equivalent of €13.5 billion pumped into them from abroad in aid because they were effectively refugees in their own country after a lot of WW2 had just rolled through the place.

Go back another 100 years and you'll find something else, go back another 500 years something else. Hell go back 900 years to the crusades and you can claim ISIS/Daesh, Al Qaeda, and all other islamic fundamentalism have a right to do what they're doing now.

The EU made a comprehensive decision to allow uncontrolled, unrestricted immigration. Merkel is reaping the rewards of her decision at the moment with the chance she'll loose her position because of it. Austrai, Italy, Hungary, Poland, and of course Brexit all show people have had enough of immigrants being raised above the level of citizens of a country.

Only this week it was announced that 25 African families would be brought into Ireland, given a 6 week induction course as some facility, granted citizenship, a handout of €5,000, a house to live in, and full employment benefits.

There are people on streets i their thousands. Irish citizens, tax paying citizens, who through trouble or strife (or both) have found themselves at rock bottom. Hell one lady is disabled, and sleeps in her wheelchair with a sleeping bag wrapped around her, and she cannot get what these immigrant families are going to get.

The problem of such immigration policies is resentment from the natural citizens of a country that have been blocked, hindered, refused and turned away at every stage by their own Government when they seek aid, only to see someone who never contributed to this country be brought in and handed everything. That resentment festers and grows and as said above you see more and more countries now turning their back on such policies by electing right wing Governments that will change and stop this.

What's Italian for "I'm alright Jack"?

Sto bene, Jack.

Apparently it's electing the Italian version of Donald Trump so he can call for letting the refugees drown while fleeing a warzone that Italy is providing logistical support for.

I'm sick of this leftist bias about President Trump.

The policies in were in place before he became president. Barry Obama deported more people than any president before him (over 2.7 million people) yet not a word from the left about it. The fake pictures of prison buses for toddlers that were accredited to Trump were actually from Obama days.

Obama's DACA program was an attempt to introduce the dreamer act via executive authority and was rescinded. California and other leftist states have introduced their own and now they are reaping the rewards of helping ILLEGAL immigrants over their own citizens.

People can come to a country and work, but do it legally. However more and more its a case of them coming illegally and receiving not only financial but monetary support against the will of the people and sometimes the rule of law.

I mean, it's not as catchy as the UK showtunes version but it results in more drowned toddlers so I guess it has that going for it.

Please. The "won't someone think of the children" approach doesn't work on me because it's a baseless argument predicated on emotional manipulation rather than law of the land.

The lies and bias of the leftist media was once again highlighted only this week by Time magazine. No one is forcing people to cross illegally. They know the risks associated with it, but choose to do this rather than go a centre or consul where they can start the process legally.

Walter Mittys Brother · 01-07-2018 5:57pm

Cass, you nailed it :cool:

Well said !

Sparks · 01-07-2018 6:12pm

Walter Mittys Brother wrote: »

How can you tell? Do they have passports etc?

Because they said that's who they're complaining about. Also, "refugee" and "economic migrant" are handled very differently at the border for decent reasons, and the rules about the latter preclude the guy floating in a dingy in the middle of the med from claiming that status.

Seriously, the "mistrust the refugees" argument literally is the Gardai's argument that we are all criminals who've not been caught yet because we have guns, just applied to people fleeing a war zone.

Sparks · 01-07-2018 6:44pm

Cass wrote: »

Blacks make up 14% of the population of the US. Of that some 21 million are male so that is 7% of the total population. They are responsible for 62% of robberies, 57% of the total murders, and 45% of assaults (the number is actually less than 7% as its not all black men involved).

None of which actually matter when you measure what percentage of black suspects are shot and killed versus what percentage of white suspects are.
We've all seen the video footage of black suspects doing absolutely nothing wrong, complying with the officers involved and then being murdered on camera. Hands empty and on display, complying with instructions, doing nothing - hell, even lying down on the ground with hands in the air (and in that case it was a nurse caring for a guy with mental health issues). We've seen videos of police literally start shooting out the windscreen of their car before stopping. And when you look at things like how much training those police get (the average is around 12 weeks), how little data is shared between forces over officer's track records (nearly none which several police departments say is a causal factor in these things because someone can be involved in a shooting, be found at fault, get fired, go to another state and join their police force and they'll no nothing of this), and the amount of military hardware they're being issued, it's not exactly surprising this goes on.

As for Antifa.............. any thoughts?

Well, they originated in London when Jews decided that Mosley's meetings needed to be broken up and nobody else was going to do it, so they're not exactly newfangled or left-wing.
Unless you class Mossad as lefties...

Who said the far left, i said the left, the Dems, the Donkeys, the "progressives", the "liberals".

Come on. The Democrats are as left wing as Thatcher. Actually, they're probably to her right. There's one single democrat up for election to congress that we'd call left-wing and she's so so radical that she thinks there should be a public healthcare system and a public educational system. That's literally radical in that party. To want what we've had for longer than our parents were around. US politics is pretty much all right-wing, from Sanders to Sessions. You can barely see what we'd call the center from their least right-wing position.

The EU made a comprehensive decision to allow uncontrolled, unrestricted immigration.

No, they absolutely did not. They made a decision to shelter refugees which is not the same thing. Immigration to the EU hasn't changed. And neither has how we handle refugees, at least not much - the custom of sheltering people fleeing warzones is not new, it predates Ireland for a start (look at the Belgians who fled to the UK in WW2 or any one of a dozen different similar refugee movements before then). It's the largest one we've seen up close in our lifetimes, that's the only difference.

Only this week it was announced that 25 African families would be brought into Ireland, given a 6 week induction course as some facility, granted citizenship, a handout of €5,000, a house to live in, and full employment benefits.

They're refugees and we're giving them shelter not citizenship. And it's not 25 families, it's 25 people in total. And we get funding from the EU for it because we're not one of the larger economies like Germany, where they pay for the refugees they shelter and for the ones we do.

There are people on streets i their thousands.

I know, and it's not a zero sum game, we can look after both groups. But the party of people who wake up early in the morning thinks there's something wrong with that idea, so we let people die both here and in the med. It's not an either/or choice.

And y'all might remember, at some point we are going to be called to answer for things like the direct provision system to our kids in the same way we called the catholic church to answer for Ferns, and we won't have the easy out they got. We're running what are basically concentration camps for refugees right now. It's beyond a disgrace - 30C and we're selling them drinking water. We are not so damn poor we need to do that, but someone got a nice little earner of a contract to run the place, and we have a pattern of going along with those kinds of things - it's what we did with the laundries.

That resentment festers and grows

It grows because it's fed by people who profit off it.
So long as people don't like refugees, direct provision continues and people make a small mint off the taxpayer. So a few quid bunged to the tabloids to call them migrants when they're not, to spread around fake stories about huge grants and free houses and citizenship and how them durty foreigners are getting stuff we're not? That few quid pays off in spades for the lads with the contracts.

I'm sick of this leftist bias about President Trump.

I'm not sure it's leftist or rightist bias when half his own party are walking out in protest. His ambassadors are resigning in protest saying he's lying about Nato and the EU. When the hell has that ever happened before? I can't remember it. And yes, quite a lot of the daft **** is older than he is (the wall, their policy towards illegal immigration, and a few others), but I don't remember any administration being this joyously cruel and petty about everything. You might not like Clinton but did he ever go on and on about being interviewed by Fox? Did Bush ever talk about his own party members the way Trump does? Did Bush Sr ever go after the press the way Trump has? This isn't some lefty thing, this guy is something nastier than anyone's seen before, it's why there's opposition to him from both parties.
You have guys like John McCain voting against him for feck's sakes, and he's hardly a long-haired commie hippie tree-hugger.

The lies and bias of the leftist media was once again highlighted only this week by Time magazine. No one is forcing people to cross illegally. They know the risks associated with it, but choose to do this rather than go a centre or consul where they can start the process legally.

You missed the bit where they're being murdered on the other side of the border because of things started on the US side. Not to mention that there are documented cases of people doing everything completely legally and still being treated as illegals. And part of that comes down to stupid technical stuff that indicates that nobody on the US side is interested in having legal migration - ICE literally disabled the part of their computer system that gave an okay when doing risk assessments of migrants. Before the change, the system either said "probably fine" or "probably criminal" and they literally turned off the first option. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-court/

Cass · 01-07-2018 9:09pm

Sparks wrote: »

None of which actually matter when you measure what percentage of black suspects are shot and killed versus what percentage of white suspects are.

So the facts don't matter. Then what is the point in discussing it further if you disregard the stats yet claim BLM have them on their side?

Blacks commit a huge percentage of crime compared to their demographic size yet you and the left think it's racist when a larger than normal amount of blacks are shot during the proceeds of these crimes?

:rolleyes:

We've all seen the video footage of black suspects doing absolutely nothing wrong

No. Not saying itdoesn't happen or that every shooting is justified but according to stats its not even among the top 20 of "most deadly" causes of black deaths.

Well, they originated in London when Jews decided that Mosley's meetings needed to be broken up and nobody else was going to do it, so they're not exactly newfangled or left-wing.
Unless you class Mossad as lefties...

Well deflected, but in case you need a refresher i'm talking about these f**kwits

Come on. The Democrats are as left wing as Thatcher.

If you want to be pedantic then i'll rephrase it. The "left" as the democratic party and their ilk are commonly referred to.

No, they absolutely did not. They made a decision to shelter refugees which is not the same thing.

Yes they did, and no it's not.

They have been working on a migration agenda since 1999 and the influx of migrants from 2015 has sparked a reinvigoration of this agenda. Led by Jean Claude-Drunkard, Merkel and the likes, and their plan of allowing millions and millions of people in with little to no security checks or scrutiny.

They're refugees and we're giving them shelter not citizenship.

As per the article:

They will be first brought to an induction centre such as at Ballaghadereen for six weeks before they are allocated full citizenship of Ireland, payment of up to 5000 Euro each under Emergency Needs, as well as the full dole.

Ireland holds the title of highest awarding of Irish citizenship within Europe.

And y'all might remember, at some point we are going to be called to answer for things like the direct provision system to our kids in the same way we called the catholic church to answer for Ferns, and we won't have the easy out they got.

You are taking the piss if you think rampant child sexual abuse is even close to what "migrants" are getting in terms of support and aid. With "good ould Catholic ireland" you also have institutional failures as well as corruption from within the Government and Gardaí. A trend that continues today, with our own people.

As for this :

We're running what are basically concentration camps for refugees right now.

That is the same sick and twisted logic i see spouted in the states about the detention centres for ILLEGALS. How can anyone trivialize the death and depravity that was seen in the concentration camps as comparable to holding centres for criminals and illegals? It's a sick bastardisation of the term and those that use it denigrate and piss on the memories of those involved in the holocaust.

It grows because it's fed by people who profit off it.

Firstly that is a consequence, not a cause. These profiteers are not the ones bringing them in in the first place. No excuse for the behaviour nor would i entertain trying to give one.

Secondly don't confuse me now, or ever, with some mullet wearing sh*t kicker going around mumbling "they took our jobs". I don't hate them for who they are, what they've done, where they're from or where they're going.

In short i'm fed up of the double standards and media manipulation of these stories. If a country decides it doesn't want to take in refugees, migrants, whatever, they should be free to refuse and not demonized because of it. The "won't someone think of the children" excuse does not justify the perceptions and actions that such mass immigration causes.

I'm not sure it's leftist or rightist bias when half his own party are walking out in protest.

Walking out of what? The Republican party is a fickle machine. They thought he was a joke when he ran, when he was nominated and even after his win. Granted President Trump can be a douche at times, but the resistance he has faced since becoming President has never been seen by any other. Imagine what could have been achieved this far if they only worked with him.

And yes, quite a lot of the daft **** is older than he is (the wall, their policy towards illegal immigration, and a few others), but I don't remember any administration being this joyously cruel and petty about everything.

Clinton, Obama, even Killary called for walls and strengthening of borders and when Trump tries it they call him a racist. However i fail to see the "joy" you say he gets from this. Show me what you mean.

You might not like Clinton but did he ever go on and on about being interviewed by Fox?

Might want to pick someone else as your poster boy for etiquette.

Did Bush ever talk about his own party members the way Trump does?

Did Bush have as many dissenters in his own party as Trump did? As said above they dismissed him from the off and the problem Trump faces now is if someone with no political experience can come in and solve some problems that "seasoned" politicians have been saying for decades cannot be fixed easily or at all, then they'll be shown up as the frauds they are.

Did Bush Sr ever go after the press the way Trump has?

Did Bush ever have fake news stories broadcast about him, weekly? Russia was a fake, the photos of child prison buses was a fake, the list goes on. The man cannot do a thing but someone either bastardises it or completely makes up a story about it.

Even so called fact checking sites like Snopes are biased. When you check on the "baby bus" they claim it as true, but don't elaborate that it was done under Obamas tenure. You can figure out quite quickly it was, but they never mention it or him.

This isn't some lefty thing, this guy is something nastier than anyone's seen before, it's why there's opposition to him from both parties.

Why? Support your argument with facts. What has he done that is nastier than anything before him?

You have guys like John McCain voting against him for feck's sakes, and he's hardly a long-haired commie hippie tree-hugger.

That is a joke.

McCain went against Trump and his party to vote against repealing Obamacare [twice] even though he canvassed on repealing it and was a strong critic of it since it's creation. Trump and McCain have had a long feud with both exchanging petty quips at each other.

You missed the bit where they're being murdered on the other side of the border because of things started on the US side.

Enlighten me.

Not to mention that there are documented cases of people doing everything completely legally and still being treated as illegals.

Doing it legally or have completed the process and are legal? Unless its the latter they are still illegal and that is still a crime.

And part of that comes down to stupid technical stuff that indicates that nobody on the US side is interested in having legal migration - ICE literally disabled the part of their computer system that gave an okay when doing risk assessments of migrants. Before the change, the system either said "probably fine" or "probably criminal" and they literally turned off the first option. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-court/

The article says the personnel can override that feature to include "release". Also Obama had to be stopped by the courts when his policies, which were emuch harsher than Trumps, ran afoul of the law.

Again he [Obama] done much worse than Trump or any other President and he is pardoned the scrutiny Trump is receiving for continuing that trend.

Sparks · 01-07-2018 10:24pm

Cass wrote: »

So the facts don't matter.

The facts *do* matter; the point is that the absolute figures can't be directly compared to the percentages because they're not mathematically the same.
I mean, it's like the difference between there being 1700 more pistols licenced in Ireland today than in 1972 and there being a lower pistol ownership rate in Ireland today than in 1972. Both are true. But you can't compare the numbers directly because they're measuring different things.
In this case, if you see a thousand suspects of race A being arrested and a hundred of race B; but 70% of those in race A get shot during the arrest and 7% of race B; you have to ask a question or two because those two percentages should not be that far apart.

No. Not saying itdoesn't happen or that every shooting is justified but according to stats its not even among the top 20 of "most deadly" causes of black deaths.

Um.

Well deflected, but in case you need a refresher i'm talking about these f**kwits

I'd probably use the same word, but I notice they've not killed anyone and the people they're protesting have.
I don't think we're required to pick a side, but if you held me to the flame on it, I suspect I'd come down on the side that isn't literally the American Nazi Party.

If you want to be pedantic then i'll rephrase it. The "left" as the democratic party and their ilk are commonly referred to.

It's not that pedantic - they think a liberal policy is letting everyone buy health insurance. And they're happy to live with child marriage and child labour within their own borders. And a dozen other things we'd see as being up there with the Penal Laws and Cromwell if you tried imposing them on us today. The Dems are just not a shining light leading towards a nicer world.

Yes they did, and no it's not.
They have been working on a migration agenda since 1999 and the influx of migrants from 2015 has sparked a reinvigoration of this agenda. Led by Jean Claude-Drunkard, Merkel and the likes, and their plan of allowing millions and millions of people in with little to no security checks or scrutiny.

They literally can't do that legally; and the people we're talking about are refugees fleeing Assad, and handled under a different body of law. And frankly, we (meaning the EU) backed Assad so we'd have someone fighting ISIS as a buffer zone. The real world is ****ty and so on, okay, that's another argument; but we don't get to do that and then treat refugees fleeing sarin gas dropped by the guy we backed as if the refugees were nothing to do with us at all.

As per the article:

I don't know what article you're citing, but it's flat-out wrong - Ballaghaderreen is a refugee orientation center, and you don't get given citizenship on arrival. You're a refugee, not an immigrant:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/the_asylum_process_in_ireland/rights_and_obligations_of_asylum_seekers_in_ireland.html

You are taking the piss if you think rampant child sexual abuse is even close to what "migrants" are getting in terms of support and aid.

Funnily enough, I'm not. It's not even an analogy : http://www.thejournal.ie/abuse-is-reported-at-direct-provision-centres-across-ireland-1023749-Aug2013/

With "good ould Catholic ireland" you also have institutional failures as well as corruption from within the Government and GardaA trend that continues today, with our own people.

Yup, and with refugees as well. It's not a choice between improving stuff for us and improving stuff for them; it's just a choice between having a corrupt bunch of bastards ruining life for everyone or not.
Mind you, if the bastards can keep everyone at each other's throats, we never look at it that way and they get to go buy their own fecking islands...

That is the same sick and twisted logic i see spouted in the states about the detention centres for ILLEGALS. How can anyone trivialize the death and depravity that was seen in the concentration camps as comparable to holding centres for criminals and illegals?

First off, direct provision is for refugees. They're not criminals, they're not illegals, they're doing precisely what our law requires, and they're by definition fleeing for their lives. That's the whole point of the refugee system. If you're a doctor from the Congo who got tortured and left for dead by the government because you wrote a report with MSF on the government's use of rape as a tool to suppress the population, you are a refugee, not a criminal. That's the point of the system (and yes, that's a real example, his case came up in the High Court a while back because the Refugee Appeals Tribunal were going to send him back to the Congo because despite testimony from MSF, the UN and a few others, the RAT decided they didn't like the guy. The High Court case makes for interesting reading).

Secondly don't confuse me now, or ever, with some mullet wearing sh*t kicker going around mumbling "they took our jobs".

If I thought you were like that Cass, I wouldn't bother talking.

If a country decides it doesn't want to take in refugees, migrants, whatever, they should be free to refuse and not demonized because of it.

So they literally can't, not legally. Within the EU, free migration from EU state to EU state is one of the few principles the continent will literally die on because the entire point of the EU is to not have another WW2 by drowning the reasons for WW2 by shipping people around the place with as few barriers as possible, while handcuffing countries to each other with as much red tape as you can create so they can't get enough distance to get a run-up to put the boot in.

I mean, as solutions go, it's a ****ty one, with the sole redeeming feature that it has so far worked slightly better than anything we've tried in the last two thousand years or so.
Which isn't as big as even that offhanded comment makes out, but it's big enough that the whole free-migration-within-the-EU thing is not just some idea on paper for a lot of people, it's a Big Thing to them.

As to refugees, we kindof have international law on that point which says, more or less, "don't be that country, m'kay?". So saying "no, we're not taking them, we'll machine-gun them if they try to get in here", well, you have to be Turkey for that and who the hell wants to live there?

Walking out of what?

Well the most recent is the US ambassador to Estonia. I mean, an ambassador resigning, that's normal enough; but resigning to protest the President while calling him a liar to the press.... that's new.

Granted President Trump can be a douche at times, but the resistance he has faced since becoming President has never been seen by any other.

Pretty sure the latter is a result of the former; and the former is not exactly new; he's been this way for a very, very long time. And he played to that throughout his campaign, and you don't get to run around doing the stuff he did during the campaign and not see opposition, it's pretty much a recipe for getting everyone pissed off at you.

Clinton, Obama, even Killary called for walls and strengthening of borders and when Trump tries it they call him a racist.

Well, none of them led off with "mexicans are all rapists" to be fair...

However i fail to see the "joy" you say he gets from this. Show me what you mean.

Seriously, read his twitter feed for a day, tell me you don't see someone delighting in being nasty.

Might want to pick someone else as your poster boy for etiquette.

Didn't call him a poster boy for anything, just said he wasn't as bad as Trump and neither has anyone else been since the late 1700s and those guys were literally killing each other in duels.

if someone with no political experience can come in and solve some problems that "seasoned" politicians have been saying for decades cannot be fixed easily or at all, then they'll be shown up as the frauds they are.

Indeed.
Pretty huge IF there though, given that so far, he's not managed to do any such thing.

Support your argument with facts. What has he done that is nastier than anything before him?

Oh come on, you don't even have to work hard on that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

Doing it legally or have completed the process and are legal? Unless its the latter they are still illegal and that is still a crime.

Like this one : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/what-asylum-seekers-meet-when-they-try-to-cross-legally

Grandmother and last surviving granddaughter flee after the parents and siblings were murdered by gangs, they take the granddaughter and send her off to a tender age shelter, and refuse to acknowledge the grandmother has custody despite documentation.
So now the grandmother is in one holding camp and the granddaughter is in one of the child holding camps in Texas, only they're not sure exactly where.
There's a reason the US courts think this sort of thing is inhumane and have ordered it to be stopped.

Cass · 02-07-2018 1:03am

These are getting too long. I'm going to start shortening them to single words or just emojis shortly.

Sparks wrote: »

..... the point is that the absolute figures can't be directly compared to the percentages because they're not mathematically the same.

No.

Black men are more involved in violent crimes and murder. That is not racist its a simple fact. As i said before if 7% of the population is responsible for 57% of the murders then you cannot blame the stats for the higher proportion of shootings among those involved in those crimes.

Muslim men of Asian decent in the UK are responsible for 84% of rape/grooming gangs. Less than 5% of the total population responsible for 84% of gang rapes. Is this racist because whites are not raping as much? FFS, the facts are facts, and the % is the %. No amount of side stepping will diminish the truth of it.

Um.

I'd probably use the same word, but I notice they've not killed anyone and the people they're protesting have.

Who has killed people?

If they protested extremist groups then so be it, but they protest anything they don't agree with. From free speech, to Trump supporters, to anything resembling conservative/traditional values and of course they're violent as f**k. They are described as such by all sources:

They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence. They tend to be anti-capitalist and they are predominantly far-left and militant left.

Short for militant leftists, or occasionally far leftists and radical leftists, often used as a generalization of people who commit to acts of violence against those on the Right side of the political spectrum

I don't think we're required to pick a side, but if you held me to the flame on it, I suspect I'd come down on the side that isn't literally the American Nazi Party.

How about inauguration day for President Trump when they [antifa] rioted because, feelings? How about attacking students attending a lecture on campus and causing $100,000 of damage? Or people on a Pro-Trump march? Perhaps people celebrating Patriots day?

It's not that pedantic - they think a liberal policy is letting everyone buy health insurance. And they're happy to live with child marriage and child labour within their own borders. And a dozen other things we'd see as being up there with the Penal Laws and Cromwell if you tried imposing them on us today. The Dems are just not a shining light leading towards a nicer world.

Think of them as you will, they are referred to in the media and by pretty much all sources as "the left".

They literally can't do that legally; and the people we're talking about are refugees fleeing Assad, and handled under a different body of law. And frankly, we (meaning the EU) backed Assad so we'd have someone fighting ISIS as a buffer zone. The real world is ****ty and so on, okay, that's another argument; but we don't get to do that and then treat refugees fleeing sarin gas dropped by the guy we backed as if the refugees were nothing to do with us at all.

So the EU created the problem, the EU then had to take in the refugees they created, and then put this responsibility on the individual countries that had no say in the initial action that caused this?

So tell me again how the EU has nothing to do with this? How the EU are not responsible for the mass influx of refugees/migrants/any other PC name?

By the way don't try to pass the EU off as all countries having equal say, it doesn't happen except in the Unicorn and Rainbow world that those in la-la land live in.

I don't know what article you're citing, but it's flat-out wrong

They didn't say citizenship was given on arrival, but did say citizenship would be part of the deal. So if you have issues with that i cannot help you as i can only speak to what i've read. In a time of record homelessness and struggle caused by a corrupt Government, and CYA exercises people don't care who is paying for it, only that its happening.

Try rationalize that to the people with "calm down, i'll explain the financing behind it" will not mean spit.

Funnily enough, I'm not. It's not even an analogy : http://www.thejournal.ie/abuse-is-reported-at-direct-provision-centres-across-ireland-1023749-Aug2013/

Reading that article it appears the abuse is perpetrated by those same refugees housed in the same complex? IOW they are abusing their own.

Leads back to what i said above about grooming gangs in the UK as well as other stories of a similar nature by other "refugees" in other countries such as this and this.

First off, direct provision is for refugees. They're not criminals, they're not illegals, .................

I was referring more so to the situation in the states, but the same holds true for here. As them if they're rather wait or go back home. A choice those in real concentration camps never got.

So they literally can't, not legally. Within the EU, free migration from EU state to EU state is one of the few principles the continent will literally die on ..............

So non EU citizens get the same rights as EU citizens? This is what the Dems want in the states. Illegals with the same rights as citizens.

Pretty sure the latter is a result of the former; and the former is not exactly new; ............. it's pretty much a recipe for getting everyone pissed off at you.

Ah come off it.

Some might have been pissed off at him, but some are outright against him simply because he won, and Killary didn't. Calls for sedition, attacks on Trump's staff, his supporters, calls for a recession so just so Trump fails, etc. The madness is out of hand and the TDS is strong with most of them.

Well, none of them led off with "mexicans are all rapists" to be fair...

Being fair would be telling the truth, not perpetuating a fake news story. Trump NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists. The lie that he said all Mexicans are rapists comes from Tim Kaine who started making the allegation His exact words were:

Trump wrote:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Seriously, read his twitter feed for a day, tell me you don't see someone delighting in being nasty.

Not on Twitter so you might post some of his posts and show how he delights in the "cruelty" he is inflicting.

Didn't call him a poster boy for anything, just said he wasn't as bad as Trump and neither has anyone else been since the late 1700s and those guys were literally killing each other in duels.

Some of his greatest hits:

Only the second President in history to be impeached, but yeah he was delight. :rolleyes:
He doubled the federal prison population by making crack cocaine a more serious offense than powder cocaine. Crack cocaine was much cheaper and largely used by Blacks.
He signed in NAFTA.
He allowed logging in national forests.
He was hesitant to take action to stop a genocide in Rwanda. While he failed to act, more than half a million Tutsis were murdered.
He gave China Most Favored Nation (MFN) status despite their terrible human rights record
He granted North Korea concessions in exchange for a promise to discontinue their nuclear weapons program
He failed to deal with the threat of Osama bin Laden as he was too distracted by scandals & impeachment to take action against Al Qaeda. We all know how that ended.

Indeed.
Pretty huge IF there though, given that so far, he's not managed to do any such thing.

So these don't count:

12 appellate court judges (a first for any President in his first year)
A supreme court justice and another in the coming months.
Tax reform/improved economy
Repealing individual mandate from obamacare
Travel ban
Defeating ISIS
Recognition of Jerusalem something every other president refused to to address even though it was law since 1996

Oh come on, you don't even have to work hard on that one.

I'll see your video and raise you mine. notice the same hand gestures and "mocking" tone regardless of person or topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaB3ynIZH4

......... they take the granddaughter and send her off to a tender age shelter, and refuse to acknowledge the grandmother has custody despite documentation.

A sad story, truly, but i did not read, hear or see that in the transcript or video. At no point did i notice anyone take her granddaughter and refuse to acknowledge her right as guardian or her documentation to prove it.

All that is moot. Her claim is being examined and will be ruled on when it's ruled on. those "hopping" the fence have no such protections, and you don't seriously expect any country to allow illegal immigrants unchecked freedoms while their case is being reviewed?

Grizzly 45 · 02-07-2018 3:07pm

Sparks wrote: »

Because they said that's who they're complaining about. Also, "refugee" and "economic migrant" are handled very differently at the border for decent reasons, and the rules about the latter preclude the guy floating in a dingy in the middle of the med from claiming that status.

Seriously, the "mistrust the refugees" argument literally is the Gardai's argument that we are all criminals who've not been caught yet because we have guns, just applied to people fleeing a war zone.

Odd that there arent very many,if at all women and kids with these refugees. They seem to be all young or middle-aged men,of a certain religion,and even more odd that as there are Christians in that conflict zone there are few if any of those with them. Even odder enough have lost everything including ALL documentation,but have kept their cell phones.Now a suspicious mind might have a few questions on those points...

Also, could anyone inform me,I must have missed this one..What oppression or civil war is going on in Jamaica or Ghana?

Grizzly 45 · 02-07-2018 3:21pm

Well, they originated in London when Jews decided that Mosley's meetings needed to be broken up and nobody else was going to do it, so they're not exactly newfangled or left-wing.

Actually NO! They came about in the 1930s as an off shoot of Communism in Berlin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

Ironic that they call everyone Nazis as these Mom spare room dwelling thugs,[and that's not hyperbole BTW a survey done in Berlin a few years ago has over 75% of ANTIFA males still living at home with their unmarried/divorced mothers.] Use the same tactics as the brownshirts but in the name of Communism.Either way, they wouldn't know a genuine Nazi if he planted a jackboot up their black-clad asses.

Unless you class Mossad as lefties...

Yeah those crafty Israelis..:rolleyes::rolleyes:Wouldnt be up to them,what with planning 9/11 and fixing US elections thru "The Russians"

Grizzly 45 · 02-07-2018 3:39pm

Some of his greatest hits:
Only the second President in history to be impeached, but yeah he was delight.
He doubled the federal prison population by making crack cocaine a more serious offense than powder cocaine. Crack cocaine was much cheaper and largely used by Blacks.
He signed in NAFTA.
He allowed logging in national forests.
He was hesitant to take action to stop a genocide in Rwanda. While he failed to act, more than half a million Tutsis were murdered.
He gave China Most Favored Nation (MFN) status despite their terrible human rights record
He granted North Korea concessions in exchange for a promise to discontinue their nuclear weapons program
He failed to deal with the threat of Osama bin Laden as he was too distracted by scandals & impeachment to take action against Al Qaeda. We all know how that ended.

That's very short list Cass.
You can add at least 100 more things he did in conjunction with his witch of a wife. Going back all the way to his governorship on Arkanshaw and involvement in the Mena airport and Drug runners like Barry Seal and the "Dixie Mafia"[The film American made is based on those times]

We could add.
Whitewater,
Furnituregate[Nicking 300k worth of furniture out of the White House]
Travelgate,
Filegate
Troopergate
Vince Foster.
Paula Jones,
Monica Lewinsky.
Gennifer Flowers
Sydney Blumenthal
Juniata Brodderick
The fuk up of BlackHawk Down..Billy was too busy on the golf course to order armour out to rescue the crewmen.
Waco,Ruby Ridge.in not reigning in that hag Janet Reno and her control of both ATFE and FBI on both occasions.

gunny123 · 02-07-2018 5:06pm

Looks like immigration is going to be the death of the EUSSR. Seehofer looks likely to walk away from Mama Merkel, and even if he does not, that deal done last week is as much use as a chocolate teapot and will last just as long. Whoever thought we would live to see the return of the far right in Germany ? But the open borders lunacy looks likely to be the straw that broke the camels back.

As to why the bile against Trump, simple, the big money on wall street was backing aged wharf whore Hilary Clinton. She was also the one who pushed Hussain Obama to rid libya of Gadafi, he did not want to initially, but she wanted it as it was a major plus for her in her own election attempt. Gadafi said himself that libya was the "cork in the bottle", in other words, without him sub saharan africa would rush towards europe. He was right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ7lYRnF1F8

The Irish are not innocent in all this, it was our own FG backer Peter sutherland who was agitating the eu to allow open borders. It was ok for him, he was coming towards the end of his money grubbing life, everyone else has to put up with the consequences. Our cut price trudeau wannabe veruca salts has taken to this idea with gusto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgSsM3MGLuk

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