So who's going to see the Pope?

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 12:35pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Don't make it easy for these intolerant people by turning the debate into one on what the Bible is about, metaphor versus truth.

They've been hanging around anti Christian fora long enough to learn a few tired cliches like 'penguins walking from the Antarctic' and 'the fairy in the sky' etc.

How is it intolerant to question logic? It's ignorant to just accept things blindly. I think they call that 'faith'.

BliainanAir wrote: »

The real issue is these great progressive liberals want to deny people civil liberties. They are trying to stop Catholics seeing the pope. So it's all fine and dandy allowing the LGBT community to marry but the Catholics, the vast majority who are guilty of nothing, hound them.

So we've ignorance and irony in the one post. Bravo.

Taytoland · 27-06-2018 12:38pm

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ah now. That's awful silly stuff.

By all means, go ahead and argue that religions is not needed today or whatever you want to argue. We can debate on that. But don't say such silly things as "it has held the human race back far too long".

How many great civilizations can you tell me that did not have any religion? The answer is none. Because religion as a concept was used to control, subdue and put a structure and order on society. And that structure went hand-in-hand with civilization and development. Whether that be in ancient Greece, Egyptian, Inca, whatever.

Religion, or at least the topic itself was a driving force behind many of the great philosophers who sought to find answers and understand human nature and the world.

And in a more direct tangible sense, churches/monasteries have been repositories and centres of learning in Europe at least for hundreds and hundreds of years. And for a large part of that were the only ones doing it.

How much of the great art and architecture do we directly owe to systems of religion?

So religion went hand-in-hand with the progress of civilisation. You might not like to hear that as you probably think that you are special and it doesn't matter to you. But as a concept and a structure, it has added greatly to where we are today.

I am not talking about any specific religoin as you did not seem to be. You seemed to be talking about the concept of religion which is what I am giving a counterargument to

(Yeah yeah, some shite about Galileo and the world being flat and Crusades etc. blah blah. )

Religion has held back the human race, fear of magic (SCIENCE) and not in the divine held back much development.

There are possilbe instances where religion didnt affect cultures as much as history may lead to believe, non documentation of such instances would have been removed from history by conquering or controling elements. Some believe that athiesm was more widespread over 2000 years ago than today.

Some philosophers were actually not religious and damned those that believed in the "gods" for holding back science and society.

The romans brought in christian religion and because of their influence at the time the religion spread far across europe where Islam was not present. Islam was far more available back in those days than christianity. The church was the new rome and used religion to control and dominate, steal and start wars.

Great art and architecture yes - but alot of that was created by those that were persecuted or forced to use their skill to develop due to time and influence. Alot of the great art was stolen, im sure the vatican has hundreds of years worth of stolen art locked away that the world will never see unless the place gets burned down.

Belief is something all societies has had, religion is a control mechanism, and churchs are a control envoirnment, hence why must you buy your way into heaven with collection basket when the church is so filthy rich off the back of wars they endorsed and theft of normal people. A great example is taking gifts from the National Socialists during WW2 and helping some of them escape justice.

All in all the church is a corrupt, controlling, abusive organisation that hides under the guise of a religion but for hundreds of years has been the bully boy driving wars and other nonsense. I would laugh heartily if the vatican burned down.

People dont need churches or priests or bishops or a pope to have a belief. People have the ability to believe or not beileive anything they want.

You could literally replace religion with ideologies, political parties. Political parties are all about group think, trying to beat the "other", the enemy etc. The Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin outlawed religion and it was hell on earth for civil liberties and freedom.

BliainanAir · 27-06-2018 12:41pm

Omackeral wrote: »

How is it intolerant to question logic? It's ignorant to just accept things blindly. I think they call that 'faith'.

So we've ignorance and irony in the one post. Bravo.

You've just pointed out that you are no better than the worst elements in the church. At least they don't resort to trying to book places at Pride marches. Can you not see the irony?

You're as brainwashed in your viewpoint as the most eccentric religious.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 12:56pm

Taytoland wrote: »

You could literally replace religion with ideologies, political parties. Political parties are all about group think, trying to beat the "other", the enemy etc. The Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin outlawed religion and it was hell on earth for civil liberties and freedom.

None of that negates my point.

The original point was that religion

has held the human race back far too long

That is clearly wrong.

Am I saying that it is the best system? - no
Am i saying that is it the only system? - no

Just that it clearly played a role as a tool to

control, subdue and put a structure and order on society

From that control and structure, civilisation made advancements.

If you want to argue that communism/ political parties/whatever would be a better way to achieve that, well then lets debate that. But it doesn't negate my points.

This is what I said

How many great civilizations can you tell me that did not have any religion? The answer is none. Because religion as a concept was used to control, subdue and put a structure and order on society. And that structure went hand-in-hand with civilization and development. Whether that be in ancient Greece, Egyptian, Inca, whatever.

Is it wrong? Have there been any major successful civilizations in which some form or religion did not appear? You have to ask yourself why they all seemed to have religion.

Am I saying that religion meant that everyone was treated just and fairly - no. I am not. I am mrerely responding to the point about the religion holding back the human race for far too long.

What's happening is that there are bigoted anti-Catholics who are looking for some confirmation bias to help them justify their bigotry. You can be anti-Catholic and still admit that religion as a concept has helped more than hindered the human race over our history.

Edit: Sorry, I think you were agreeing with me. I may have misunderstood your angle. My response is still valid. Just not directed to you!

Strazdas · 27-06-2018 1:01pm

Taytoland wrote: »

You could literally replace religion with ideologies, political parties. Political parties are all about group think, trying to beat the "other", the enemy etc. The Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin outlawed religion and it was hell on earth for civil liberties and freedom.

And as ideologies go, the basic Christian one for example was / is a good one. Love one another, practise forgiveness, look after the poor and the needy etc. Jesus never preached hatred or intolerance, his basic message was a very positive one.

Many political ideologies sound a lot worse than this.

BliainanAir · 27-06-2018 1:21pm

Why don't some of the ticket booking heroes protest when people climb Croagh Patrick on the last Sunday in July? If you really want to make a statement about your hatred of Catholicism, irrationality and superstition.

No. That would take courage. Something lacking in our annonymous internet warriors. Besides you might get a few slaps.

Ah no, the protest of the pampered for you lot.

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-06-2018 1:30pm

These idiots block booking tickets are the antithesis of those they claim to hate for their "indoctrination of the masses"

In simple terms ....so they can understand.....its a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

jigglypuffstuff · 27-06-2018 1:44pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Why did God make me an imbecile so? That's his fault surely?

Nobody made you an imbecile... If you are one you have chosen that path.... although you do display it consistently in your posts

jigglypuffstuff · 27-06-2018 1:46pm

seamus wrote: »

Metaphors are fiction.

No metaphors are a figure of speech used to describe something...

I.e apples and oranges... unless you're suggesting that fruit everyone's eating is imaginary?

seamus · 27-06-2018 1:49pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Why don't some of the ticket booking heroes protest when people climb Croagh Patrick on the last Sunday in July?

Probably because the Pope is busy that weekend?

Your inability to understand what the actual issue is, is pretty clear.

Nobody is protesting against, or targeting, Catholics. And you can all claim that all you like, but it's untrue.

The protest is targeted specifically against the organisation which is headed up by the Pope.

ELM327 · 27-06-2018 2:06pm

seamus wrote: »

Probably because the Pope is busy that weekend?

Your inability to understand what the actual issue is, is pretty clear.

Nobody is protesting against, or targeting, Catholics. And you can all claim that all you like, but it's untrue.

The protest is targeted specifically against the organisation which is headed up by the Pope.

Thats it in a nutshell.
I think a lot of the people getting butthurt about this are also still reeling from their defeat in the referendum and looking for someone to lash out at.

There's no rational reason to be so put out at a legitimate peaceful protest.

retro:electro · 27-06-2018 2:08pm

I won’t be going, I have no interest. I’m of the view that if you want to go, then go. If you don’t, dont.
But I do think it’s hugely disrespectful that Pope Francis will be in Knock, a mere forty minute drive from the Tuam babies burial site, and yet won’t make it his business to attend the grounds were hundreds of babies bodies were stuffed into a septic tank, all done and covered up by the CC. So, instead of playing make believe and visiting a site where an imaginary lady may or may not have appeared; why doesn’t he visit the site where tragedy upon tragedy actually happened? Why doesn’t he bless the soil where little lives were lost and little bodies disrespected so disgracefully, all because they were entrusted into the care of the church. But of course he won’t. Because that would mean actually acknowledging that it happened. And in true form, we can’t be having that. So more of the same, and more brushing of it under the carpet and pretend we’re pillars of sanctity and all that is good. When in all actuality it’s clear he does not give a fcuk.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 2:12pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

You're as brainwashed in your viewpoint as the most eccentric religious.

How am I brainwashed whatsoever? By whom or what? I don't subscribe to any religion so who is brainwashing me? Also, I didn't book any tickets to see the Pope as I'll be in Sin City at the time somewhat ironically.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 2:13pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

You've just pointed out that you are no better than the worst elements in the church.

The worst elements of the church raped kids. I didn't.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 2:17pm

pone2012 wrote: »

Nobody made you an imbecile... If you are one you have chosen that path.... although you do display it consistently in your posts

You believe in some f*cker in the sky who'll let you in to his secret club after you die, if you play by his rules. The same fella who made gay people gay and then decided being gay was wrong.

mordeith · 27-06-2018 2:21pm

Omackeral wrote: »

You believe in some f*cker in the sky who'll let you in to his secret club after you die, if you play by his rules. The same fella who made gay people gay and then decided being gay was wrong.

Ah but you forget they believe gay people choose to be gay.

Benjamin Buttons · 27-06-2018 2:26pm

retro:electro wrote: »

I won’t be going, I have no interest. I’m of the view that if you want to go, then go. If you don’t, dont.
But I do think it’s hugely disrespectful that Pope Francis will be in Knock, a mere forty minute drive from the Tuam babies burial site, and yet won’t make it his business to attend the grounds were hundreds of babies bodies were stuffed into a septic tank, all done and covered up by the CC. So, instead of playing make believe and visiting a site where an imaginary lady may or may not have appeared; why doesn’t he visit the site where tragedy upon tragedy actually happened? Why doesn’t he bless the soil where little lives were lost and little bodies disrespected so disgracefully, all because they were entrusted into the care of the church. But of course he won’t. Because that would mean actually acknowledging that it happened. And in true form, we can’t be having that. So more of the same, and more brushing of it under the carpet and pretend we’re pillars of sanctity and all that is good. When in all actuality it’s clear he does not give a fcuk.

As well as the appearance of:
St. Joseph, St. John the Evangelist, and Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.

BliainanAir · 27-06-2018 2:26pm

seamus wrote: »

Probably because the Pope is busy that weekend?

Your inability to understand what the actual issue is, is pretty clear.

Nobody is protesting against, or targeting, Catholics. And you can all claim that all you like, but it's untrue.

The protest is targeted specifically against the organisation which is headed up by the Pope.

We'll it's the prettiest way possible of protesting. Cowardly. Can't you lot go in person and protest? You, ticket booking heroes, come across as spineless.

BliainanAir · 27-06-2018 2:30pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The worst elements of the church raped kids. I didn't.

Your intoerance I'm talking about Omackeral.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 2:39pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Your intoerance I'm talking about Omackeral.

What intolerance? Specifically.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 2:51pm

Omackeral wrote: »

You believe in some f*cker in the sky who'll let you in to his secret club after you die, if you play by his rules. The same fella who made gay people gay and then decided being gay was wrong.

Would you have the same sneering vitriol for the Dali Lama if he visited.

Seeing as how he is the reincarnation of the previous Dali Lama

Or the same vitriol for Jews if a high-ranking Rabbi visiting these shores? Or for Muslims if a famous Imam came?

Your attitude is extremely childish.

Why are you assuming that the only people who think it's sad cuntish behaviour are religious fanatics or even practicing Catholics?

If Tom Cruise comes and invites all the Scientologists to a party in the Wicklow mountains, less of a shite could I not give. Let people do what they want.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 2:54pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would you have the same sneering vitriol for the Dali Lama if he visited.

Seeing as how he is the reincarnation of the previous Dali Lama

Or the same vitriol for Jews if a high-ranking Rabbi visiting these shores? Or for Muslims if a famous Imam came?

Your attitude is extremely childish.

Why are you assuming that the only people who think it's sad cuntish behaviour are religious fanatics or even practicing Catholics?

If Tom Cruise comes and invites all the Scientologists to a party in the Wicklow mountains, less of a shite could I not give. Let people do what they want. Stop acting like an intolerant cunt

First of all, why are you putting those chasms between your questions? Secondly, it's not vitriol. I simply believe all religions are absolute tosh. All of them. Lastly, I'm not stopping anyone doing what they want. I wouldn't book a ticket to stop anyone doing anything.

optogirl · 27-06-2018 2:56pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would you have the same sneering vitriol for the Dali Lama if he visited.

Seeing as how he is the reincarnation of the previous Dali Lama

Or the same vitriol for Jews if a high-ranking Rabbi visiting these shores? Or for Muslims if a famous Imam came?

Your attitude is extremely childish.

Why are you assuming that the only people who think it's sad c[/size=2]u[/size]ntish behaviour are religious fanatics or even practicing Catholics?

If Tom Cruise comes and invites all the Scientologists to a party in the Wicklow mountains, less of a shite could I not give. Let people do what they want. Stop acting like an intolerant cunt

There is a bit of a difference though in that most people in this country were indoctrinated into the RCC before they could comfortably burp by themselves and were educated through the RCC lens - taught myths as facts and discouraged from questioning. It stands to reason that people have more vitriol for the organisation that has had a serious grip on this country and its institutions and managed to seep into every aspect of our lives, wanted or not. Of course Irish people aren't going to feel as strongly about other religions - other religions weren't advising us to lock up our daughters in slave like conditions & habitually abusing our children.

realdanbreen · 27-06-2018 2:57pm

Omackeral wrote: »

You believe in some f*cker in the sky who'll let you in to his secret club after you die, if you play by his rules. The same fella who made gay people gay and then decided being gay was wrong.

Your understanding of theology and religion is fantastic , for an 8 year old.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 2:59pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Your understanding of theology and religion is fantastic , for an 8 year old.

Why don't you break it down for me in a remedial sense so? Why did god make people gay and then say being gay is wrong and immoral. Go on, can you answer that?

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:02pm

Omackeral wrote: »

First of all, why are you putting those chasms between your questions? Secondly, it's not vitriol. I simply believe all religions are absolute tosh. All of them. Lastly, I'm not stopping anyone doing what they want. I wouldn't book a ticket to stop anyone doing anything.

Grand. Why the sneering attitude? Is that to make yourself seem superior somehow? You should try to do something in your own life rather than depend on sneering at others for your only source of saisfaction

You know that Muslims and Jews have the same "sky fairy". But you dodged the question. Would you be as incensed if one of their top people was visiting and the only thing you knew about that person was that they were high up or held in high regard by that religion? Would you? Would you fuck

I don't give a fuck whether someone wants to join the GAA, the Scouts, the Catholic Church, Scientologists, Sinn Fein, whatever.

Do what you want. As long as you are harming no-one else.

eh eh eh yeah but but but Tuam babies, magdelene laundries, creationism, miracles blah blah. Would you ever get a grip?

Grayson · 27-06-2018 3:02pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Why don't you break it down for me in a remedial sense so? Why did god make people gay and then say being gay is wrong and immoral. Go on, can you answer that?

"mysterious ways"

optogirl · 27-06-2018 3:06pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Do what you want. As long as you are harming no-one else.

eh eh eh yeah but but but Tuam babies, magdelene laundries, creationism, miracles blah blah. Would you ever get a grip?[/QUOTE]

Great for you if these things don't piss you off but they do hurt & anger a lot of people.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:07pm

optogirl wrote: »

There is a bit of a difference though in that most people in this country were indoctrinated into the RCC before they could comfortably burp by themselves and were educated through the RCC lens - taught myths as facts and discouraged from questioning. It stands to reason that people have more vitriol for the organisation that has had a serious grip on this country and its institutions and managed to seep into every aspect of our lives, wanted or not. Of course Irish people aren't going to feel as strongly about other religions - other religions weren't advising us to lock up our daughters in slave like conditions & habitually abusing our children.

Hysterical much?

Luckily a small cadre of heroes were able to break off these shackles.

Tell us how you guys all did it? Lets make a film about it.

If your parents sent you to a stupid school then blame your parents or the stupid teachers. If you were still conforming to everything that you were told at 17 or 18 then there is an issue with yourself and you are in the minority as most people have a sense of themselves and making their own decisions by then. And if someone only gets 50 points in their leaving, they can't really blame the Pope.

That's all it boils down to - people wanting to blame their own failings on something. Lets blame the Church. Wonder what the next generation of thickos will have in lieu?

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 3:09pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Grand. Why the sneering attitude? Is that to make yourself seem superior somehow? You should try to do something in your own life rather than depend on sneering at others for your only source of saisfaction

I've plenty of satisfaction in my own life. Going to Vegas in a few weeks

Donald Trump wrote: »

You know that Muslims and Jews have the same "sky fairy". But you dodged the question. Would you be as incensed if one of their top people was visiting and the only thing you knew about that person was that they were high up or held in high regard by that religion? Would you? Would you fuck

Well I'm not incensed by Pope Francis coming here either, never said I was. You're barking up the wrong burning bush there Donny. As I've said, I think all religion is gick though.

Donald Trump wrote: »

I don't give a fuck whether someone wants to join the GAA, the Scouts, the Catholic Church, Scientologists, Sinn Fein, whatever.
Do what you want. As long as you are harming no-one else.

Same. Literally I've said this. I wouldn't try to stop anyone going to see the Pope. I think that's stupid.

Donald Trump wrote: »

eh eh eh yeah but but but Tuam babies, magdelene laundries, creationism, miracles blah blah. Would you ever get a grip?

Not that I've mentioned the above (except miracles) but Tuam babies and Magdalene laundries getting swept under the rug like that with blah blah blah is probably par for the course.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 3:10pm

optogirl wrote: »

Great for you if these things don't piss you off but they do hurt & anger a lot of people.

Nah you're just being an intolerant sneering cunt if you've any objections or dissentry. Or at least that's what I was called.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:11pm

optogirl wrote: »

Do what you want. As long as you are harming no-one else.

eh eh eh yeah but but but Tuam babies, magdelene laundries, creationism, miracles blah blah. Would you ever get a grip?[/QUOTE]

Great for you if these things don't piss you off but they do hurt & anger a lot of people.

If you don't believe in God/heaven/whatever, why would it make a difference whether an unwanted dead body was put in the ground or fucked unceremoniously into a septic tank?

Surely it's just a piece of decaying flesh at that point?

For the record, I think it was a terrible thing that was done. But it was done by a specific number of people. You can't take a few billion people to task for their actions.

optogirl · 27-06-2018 3:11pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Hysterical much?

Luckily a small cadre of heroes were able to break off these shackles.

Tell us how you guys all did it? Lets make a film about it.

If your parents sent you to a stupid school then blame your parents or the stupid teachers. If you were still conforming to everything that you were told at 17 or 18 then there is an issue with yourself and you are in the minority as most people have a sense of themselves and making their own decisions by then. And if someone only gets 50 points in their leaving, they can't really blame the Pope.

That's all it boils down to - people wanting to blame their own failings on something. Lets blame the Church. Wonder what the next generation of thickos will have in lieu?

You have made some impressive leaps there - incredible projection on your part to keep accusing others of sneering.

seamus · 27-06-2018 3:12pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

We'll it's the prettiest way possible of protesting. Cowardly. Can't you lot go in person and protest? You, ticket booking heroes, come across as spineless.

Somehow I don't think your opinion of their protest is of any relevance to them. You don't get to decide what does and doesn't constitute a protest.

The only thing that matters is symbolism and impact.

optogirl · 27-06-2018 3:14pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

If you don't believe in God/heaven/whatever, why would it make a difference whether an unwanted dead body was put in the ground or fucked unceremoniously into a septic tank?

Surely it's just a piece of decaying flesh at that point?

For the record, I think it was a terrible thing that was done. But it was done by a specific number of people. You can't take a few billion people to task for their actions.

What are you on about? Who is taking a few billion people to task for anything?

Hotblack Desiato · 27-06-2018 3:15pm

valoren wrote: »

If not then it's just a money maker. I'd be wondering where the money flows from these tours.

Ask any band, the place where the money is made is the merch stall...

JustAThought wrote: »

No doubt if the Dali Lama (or however you spell it) came the athiests would be flocking in their droves to visit that head of Church.

Eh, No. No they wouldn't.

Where do people get stupid ideas like this from? The one that atheists never criticise islam is a load of cobblers, too.

opinionated3 wrote: »

As a Catholic, I would like to go but I'm not in country at the time.

#hometopope ?

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm curious if people would feel the same if it was a Trump rally here.

Would people object if protesters were block booking free seats to make the rally look empty?

People did exactly that for the Jawn Waters/Nigel Farage wankfest in the RDS a while back. They didn't get the vitriol and abuse the "christians" are dishing out here.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not only that but with only two of every animal does that not mean that every animal since then is the result of incest?

According to the Bumper Book of Adult Fairy Tales, the entire human race was propagated out of incest. Twice.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:15pm

optogirl wrote: »

You have made some impressive leaps there - incredible projection on your part to keep accusing others of sneering.

Grand.

Assuming that some other poster is religious and then referring to their "sky fairy".

Not sneering?

And how many indoctrinated kids do you see that aren't old enough to burp themselves? And you're blaming the Pope for that? Get a grip

ohnonotgmail · 27-06-2018 3:16pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

According to the Bumper Book of Adult Fairy Tales, the entire human race was propagated out of incest. Twice.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

optogirl · 27-06-2018 3:20pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Grand.

Assuming that some other poster is religious and then referring to their "sky fairy".

Not sneering?

And how many indoctrinated kids do you see that aren't old enough to burp themselves? And you're blaming the Pope for that? Get a grip

My point is that you are also sneering. Sneering at people for having anger towards an institution that has caused serious harm. Just because you are able to ignore instances like Tuam, Magdalene laundries, rape on a massive scale, doesn't mean that you are enlightened and those of us who are still angry are idiots.

optogirl · 27-06-2018 3:21pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

And how many indoctrinated kids do you see that aren't old enough to burp themselves? And you're blaming the Pope for that? Get a grip

ah jaysus - I meant that we are indoctrinated at a couple of months old. I wasn't saying the RCC are responsible for babies not being able to burp :P. Your comprehension level is poor. You might be able to blame an RCC education for that.

ArrBee · 27-06-2018 3:22pm

Wow, what a thread!

It certainly has brought out some crazies....

Sounds to me that it boils down to "any church sanctioned protest is acceptable, any other form of protest or free thinking is not"
Comments like "if you want to protest you should just....<fill in ineffective form of protest here>"

The amount of hate coming from the side of the debate that i least expected is an eye opener.

DellyBelly · 27-06-2018 3:23pm

Shame it's at Croker as I find the sound very poor ...better suited to an indoor venue like Point

ohnonotgmail · 27-06-2018 3:24pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

Shame it's at Croker as I find the sound very poor ...better suited to an indoor venue like Point

Croker? eh, no. I dont think you could fit 500,000 into Croker.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:27pm

optogirl wrote: »

My point is that you are also sneering. Sneering at people for having anger towards an institution that has caused serious harm. Just because you are able to ignore instances like Tuam, Magdalene laundries, rape on a massive scale, doesn't mean that you are enlightened and those of us who are still angry are idiots.

Who said anything about ignoring anything.

They're just he lazy boilerplate excuses wheeled out by anti-Catholic bigots. People who hate the institution just look out for any justification for same. They cannot distinguish between an organization and individuals within it. As you'll surely know, but will not acknowledge, crimes committed by those within the church were committing crimes that were prohibited and against the teaching of the same church. You'd have a point if the Pope was going around saying that those bad things that were done were "grand" or even encouraged. But he's not. He's trying to run a large organization, loosely of a billion people. You can't just go in and solve every issue in every corner within 5 minutes.

As for rape on a massive scale, sure me local PP is a divil for the oul' raping. Heads out every evening for a spot of the oul' jackrolling so he does. Sure it's part of official Catholic teaching isn't it - thou shalt rape on a massive scale.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:29pm

optogirl wrote: »

ah jaysus - I meant that we are indoctrinated at a couple of months old. I wasn't saying the RCC are responsible for babies not being able to burp :P. Your comprehension level is poor. You might be able to blame an RCC education for that.

You might want to re-read what I said. Ironically, consider your own remarks re: comprehension.

You said that kids are indoctrinated before they can burp themselves

I simply asked how many indoctrinated kids you know who cannot burp themselves (i.e. are extremely young)

If you were indoctrinated at a few months, then you might want to blame your parents. Not the Pope. Claiming that any kid could already be indoctrinated into anything at a few months is silly

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 3:31pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

As you'll surely know, but will not acknowledge, crimes committed by those within the church were committing crimes that were prohibited and against the teaching of the same church. You'd have a point if the Pope was going around saying that those bad things that were done were "grand" or even encouraged.

There lies the problem for a lot of people. The church did cover up abuses on a grand scale. Il Papa is head of said church.

Donald Trump · 27-06-2018 3:34pm

Omackeral wrote: »

There lies the problem for a lot of people. The church did cover up abuses on a grand scale. Il Papa is head of said church.

Grand. Get your evidence together there and send it to the Guards before the bould Pope comes in August. They can arrest him

You do have evidence that he is covering up things? Yeah?

Or why not help the guards into their investigations of these current cover ups before focusing on things from 5, 10, 20 100, 100 years ago

Taytoland · 27-06-2018 3:34pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

You could literally replace religion with ideologies, political parties. Political parties are all about group think, trying to beat the "other", the enemy etc. The Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin outlawed religion and it was hell on earth for civil liberties and freedom.

And as ideologies go, the basic Christian one for example was / is a good one. Love one another, practise forgiveness, look after the poor and the needy etc. Jesus never preached hatred or intolerance, his basic message was a very positive one.

Many political ideologies sound a lot worse than this.

I'm not a Christian but Jesus is arguably the greatest man to have ever lived. Probably the best philosopher of all time next to Aristotle.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 3:40pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Grand. Get your evidence together there and send it to the Guards before the bould Pope comes in August. They can arrest him

You do have evidence that he is covering up things? Yeah?

Or why not help the guards into their investigations of these current cover ups before focusing on things from 5, 10, 20 100, 100 years ago

You've the nerve to question other people's comprehension capabilities!? I said he is the head of the Church. That's where some people's ire will naturally be directed to. Now if the head of the church responsible for said abuses is coming here, that becomes somewhat of an opportunity for people to release that ire. It's not a hard one to grasp, even for you.

Omackeral · 27-06-2018 3:41pm

Taytoland wrote: »

I'm not a Christian but Jesus is arguably the greatest man to have ever lived. Probably the best philosopher of all time next to Aristotle.

Agreed. Top lad and savage abs.