So who's going to see the Pope?

ELM327

eviltwin wrote: »

There will be diversions but you should get in OK. I'm going into that too. Don't forget it's free on public transport if you have a ticket;)

Oh i know, I have several tickets don't worry.

There's a BE bus straight from my front door practically, to Busaras and I intend to walk from there. Wearing my Repeal hoody of course.

Chorcai

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Wrong. People within the organisation have done that, and any Catholic I know is against it. The Church is Jesus and Jesus is the Church. I wouldn't except angry atheists to understand this because they're busy whinging their alleged oppression. What about all the good things members of the Church have done? Of course you have no interest in that because you have an agenda.

I'd prefer to have "alleged" oppression rather than religious repression any day of the week.

Bubbaclaus

Bagged myself a few free tickets so me and family can avail of free transport to the event in solidarity with abuse survivors being organised by Colm O'Gorman.

Should be a great day.

spurious

P_1 wrote: »

Are they taking the piss with all these road closures? Sorry but he's doing a mass in Croker and in the Park. why is half of the city being closed down?

https://www.joe.ie/life-style/pope-visit-road-closures-635757

Because he has to get from one to the other by road.
Most of the streets on that list are small adjoiinng streets to major roads.

Plus they have to stop people trying to bring private cars to the Park and allow the public transport get to it.

P_1

spurious wrote: »

Because he has to get from one to the other by road.
Most of the streets on that list are small adjoiinng streets to major roads.

Plus they have to stop people trying to bring private cars to the Park and allow the public transport get to it.

A fair point. Are they only closed to cars I wonder. It will be less of a bitter pill to swallow if they maintained pedestrian and cycling access.

Graces7

ELM327 wrote: »

It would be hilarious if they sort out a problem that doesnt exist.
We don't know how many tickets are "protest tickets".
Many people in the facebook protests block booked 3-5000 tickets. It's wholly possible that 50k or even 100k of the bookings are not actually going.

"THE TAOISEACH HAS said that people who apply for tickets to see the Pope with the intention of not using them are “wrong, petty and mean-spirited”."

Here is the real set up..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/more-than-30000-people-register-to-see-pope-at-rds-471798.html

Skylinehead

P_1 wrote: »

Are they taking the piss with all these road closures? Sorry but he's doing a mass in Croker and in the Park. why is half of the city being closed down?

https://www.joe.ie/life-style/pope-visit-road-closures-635757

What about local access? I'm in Chapelizod, seems like everywhere in a 5 mile radius is just shut.

beauf

Nixonbot wrote: »

What about local access? I'm in Chapelizod, seems like everywhere in a 5 mile radius is just shut.

Seems like everything is closed down on Sunday at least. Seems a bit over kill. That said I remember in '79 the roads were full of people walking then from early morning to late at night.

Hitman3000

Graces7 wrote:

"THE TAOISEACH HAS said that people who apply for tickets to see the Pope with the intention of not using them are “wrong, petty and mean-spiritedâ€."

Could care less what Leo thinks or says.

beauf

I'm amazed at the numbers they are expecting. I was expecting half the numbers.I suppose it's like Xmas mass where lots of people turn up who have no connection with the church the rest of the year.

The irony being the one thing most people hate is mass. This will be the longest most pita mass ever and people are flocking to it. Even if it's 50% of the numbers in '79.

The church will see this a validation to continue on their current self destructive path. No that I think much will deflect them from that path anyway.

ELM327

Graces7 wrote: »

"THE TAOISEACH HAS said that people who apply for tickets to see the Pope with the intention of not using them are “wrong, petty and mean-spirited”."

Here is the real set up..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/more-than-30000-people-register-to-see-pope-at-rds-471798.html

COULDN'T GIVE LESS of a fk what he says tbh.
Unlike some I can think for myself and don't base my opinions on the beliefs of others.

Berserker

Just looked at the road closures and the city in going to be in lock down for the rest of us, isn't it. Can you drive into the city centre from the N3 or N4?

P_1 wrote: »

Yeah I'll be at the same event. One must wonder if they're attempting to discourage protest with all the closures.

Nope, I'd say that the closures are in place to try and facilitate the number of people that are attending the events and also to encourage people to use public transport.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Bagged myself a few free tickets so me and family can avail of free transport to the event in solidarity with abuse survivors being organised by Colm O'Gorman.

Should be a great day.

I'd think twice about that. You are going to be in the minority, a huge minority. Have you ever been in a minority at an event and subject to the wrath of the majority? The most dedicated members of the RCC are going to be in Dublin on that day. Big man talk on an internet forum is one thing, having to stand up and do it in the real world is another.

beauf wrote: »

I'm amazed at the numbers they are expecting. I was expecting half the numbers.

....................

The church will see this a validation to continue on their current self destructive path. No that I think much will deflect them from that path anyway.

I'm not amazed by the numbers. A huge majority of the population here still identify as RC. They are going to take this opportunity, a once in a lifetime opportunity, to see the leader of their church. The idea of buying tickets in protest has backfired now. A few thousand empty space is not going to be evident among a crowd of that size and it does provide the RCC and it's supporters with a really nice piece of ammo when people question the position of the RCC in Irish society.

ELM327

Berserker wrote: »

I'd think twice about that. You are going to be in the minority, a huge minority. Have you ever been in a minority at an event and subject to the wrath of the majority? The most dedicated members of the RCC are going to be in Dublin on that day. Big man talk on an internet forum is one thing, having to stand up and do it in the real world is another.

Colm O'Gorman of Amnesty International - a human rights organisation - is running this peaceful protest.
You can imply threats all you want but I will make it my business to be at the garden of remembrance, in solidarity with all those killed and abused by the church.

P_1

Berserker wrote: »

Just looked at the road closures and the city in going to be in lock down for the rest of us, isn't it. Can you drive into the city centre from the N3 or N4?



Nope, I'd say that the closures are in place to try and facilitate the number of people that are attending the events and also to encourage people to use public transport.



I'd think twice about that. You are going to be in the minority, a huge minority. Have you ever been in a minority at an event and subject to the wrath of the majority? The most dedicated members of the RCC are going to be in Dublin on that day. Big man talk on an internet forum is one thing, having to stand up and do it in the real world is another.



I'm not amazed by the numbers. A huge majority of the population here still identify as RC. They are going to take this opportunity, a once in a lifetime opportunity, to see the leader of their church. The idea of buying tickets in protest has backfired now. A few thousand empty space is not going to be evident among a crowd of that size and it does provide the RCC and it's supporters with a really nice piece of ammo when people question the position of the RCC in Irish society.

N3 and N4 will be closed from the M50 as far as I understand.

I assume you're referring to taking the free public transport as opposed to attending CoG's protest here.

If the catholic fundies decide to try show up there they wont be long being shown how the rest of us think of them

Berserker

ELM327 wrote: »

You can imply threats all you want but I will make it my business to be at the garden of remembrance, in solidarity with all those killed and abused by the church.

Great to read your determination to attend the protest and I wish you well. Just pointing out the fact that it could be a tough afternoon for you guys.

P_1 wrote: »

N3 and N4 will be closed from the M50 as far as I understand.

I assume you're referring to taking the free public transport as opposed to attending CoG's protest here.

Thanks for the info. That's a right pain. No, I'm talking about getting into work in one of the hospitals via those roads.

ELM327

Berserker wrote: »

Great to read your determination to attend the protest and I wish you well. Just pointing out the fact that it could be a tough afternoon for you guys. Is the pope visiting the garden of remembrance? Why is it being held there?

It's ok, there's no access for A-Frames so 95% of the attendees for the pope can't attend anyway


It's held in the garden of remembrance to remember those abused, killed, raped and tortured to a life of slavery by the church. Endorsed by all including the current pope.

batgoat

Berserker wrote: »

I'd think twice about that. You are going to be in the minority, a huge minority. Have you ever been in a minority at an event and subject to the wrath of the majority? The most dedicated members of the RCC are going to be in Dublin on that day. Big man talk on an internet forum is one thing, having to stand up and do it in the real world is another.

Thanks for this little threat, you've just provided me with some additional motivation to attend the protest. The church has behaved despicably on a global scale in relation to abuse and O Gorman is one of the survivors of that abuse. So it's less so being a big man in the Internet and more to do with doing what is right.

Skylinehead

Berserker wrote: »

I'd think twice about that. You are going to be in the minority, a huge minority. Have you ever been in a minority at an event and subject to the wrath of the majority? The most dedicated members of the RCC are going to be in Dublin on that day. Big man talk on an internet forum is one thing, having to stand up and do it in the real world is another.

The wrath of the pensioners. Might be a real thing at polls, not so much when it comes to intimidation.

DickSwiveller Returns

Of course O'Gorman the attention seeker has to be front and centre as usual.

DickSwiveller Returns

ELM327 wrote: »

COULDN'T GIVE LESS of a fk what he says tbh.
Unlike some I can think for myself and don't base my opinions on the beliefs of others.

:D:D It's the most painfully trendy thing to be anti the Catholic Church these days. What an independent minded rebel you are!!

Berserker

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Of course O'Gorman the attention seeker has to be front and centre as usual.

I don't think that's particularly fair. The man supports those who suffered abuse, so he has a right to protest against it. It's a proper shared event as well. Lots of groups getting involved in this on reading further. Going to be really good mix of people from all different backgrounds.

ELM327

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

:D:D It's the most painfully trendy thing to be anti the Catholic Church these days. What an independent minded rebel you are!!

I'll just leave this here. This is now the second time you've ignored yourself. Can't you just go away please. You're making a show of yourself.

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Ah so that's why you're so bitter. Yes, I think you're right. You continue your obsession with the Church and I'll get on with my day. Slán leat.

DickSwiveller Returns

Berserker wrote: »

I don't think that's particularly fair. The man suffered abuse, so he has a right to protest against it. It's a proper shared event as well. Lots of groups getting involved in this on reading further. Going to be really good mix of people from all different backgrounds.

How do you know he was abused?

ELM327

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

How do you know he was abused?

Disgusting.
Absolutely disgusting.
We've got a live one here, a catholic church abuse denier.

DickSwiveller Returns

ELM327 wrote: »

Disgusting.
Absolutely disgusting.
We've got a live one here, a catholic church abuse denier.

No need to get hysterical. I asked how you KNOW HE was abused.

batgoat

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

How do you know he was abused?

It's a matter of public record. So try to have a bit of cop on before trying to claim that it's all made up. The diocese of Ferns admitted to it...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0409/37073-abuse01/

DickSwiveller Returns

batgoat wrote: »

It's a matter of public record. So try to have a bit of cop on before trying to claim that it's all made up. The diocese of Ferns admitted to it...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0409/37073-abuse01/

That doesn't prove anything. As far as I know, the priest who was accused never stood for trial

Berserker

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

How do you know he was abused?

Pretty sure it went to court, guilt was admitted, an apology was issued and it was settled.

wonski

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

That doesn't prove anything. As far as I know, the priest who was accused never stood for trial

Seriously?

That's just one of many cases.

While I am not one to go for protests, I have no doubt this and many other cases were not just made up.

Hitman3000

DickSwiveller Returns wrote:

That doesn't prove anything. As far as I know, the priest who was accused never stood for trial

He won damages in the courts for the abuse he suffered and an apology for the abuse he suffered was offered by the bishop of Ferns.

ELM327

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

No need to get hysterical. I asked how you KNOW HE was abused.

WHO IS hysterical.
The priest INVOLVED admitted it ffs.


Careful, you went full [REDACTED]... never go full [REDACTED]


What happened to slán leat?

DickSwiveller Returns

Berserker wrote: »

Pretty sure it went to court, guilt was admitted, an apology was issued and it was settled.

The priest who was accused died before there was a trial.

DickSwiveller Returns

ELM327 wrote: »

WHO IS hysterical.
The priest INVOLVED admitted it ffs.


Careful, you went full [REDACTED]... never go full [REDACTED]


What happened to slán leat?

Was the priest found guilty in a court of law?

Berserker

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

The priest who was accused died before there was a trial.

I get that but it's pretty clear that it was accepted that he was abused. The church settled and issued an apology.

ELM327

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Was the priest found guilty in a court of law?

http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/accusers/colm-o-gorman/abusecasesettled-10apr03.php


Guilt admitted
300k settlement


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Fortune


Either 29 rape victims were lying, or one low life who committed suicide to prevent justice for his victims was not.

DickSwiveller Returns

Berserker wrote: »

I get that but it's pretty clear that it was accepted that he was abused. The church settled and issued an apology.

That doesn't mean anything. People settle cases all the time.

wonski

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

The priest who was accused died before there was a trial.

He didn't die, took his own life to escape consequences.

That's the way I see it.

If a terrorist kills himself before the trial does it mean he was innocent?

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

What happened to slán leat?

You haven't addressed this yet.

Berserker

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

That doesn't mean anything. People settle cases all the time.

And why do they settle cases?

ELM327

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

That doesn't mean anything. People settle cases all the time.

You are disgusting.

Do you like little boys too?
29 of them were raped by this animal. That we know of. Even more sad is that he ruined their lives so much that 2 of the 29 took their own lives. And none of the victims got to see justice as the coward committed suicide.

wonski wrote: »

He didn't die, took his own life to escape consequences.

That's the way I see it.

If a terrorist kills himself before the trial does it mean he was innocent?

+1

DickSwiveller Returns

ELM327 wrote: »

http://www.irishsalem.com/individuals/accusers/colm-o-gorman/abusecasesettled-10apr03.php


Guilt admitted
300k settlement


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Fortune


Either 29 rape victims were lying, or one low life who committed suicide to prevent justice for his victims was not.

As far as I know the priest wasn't tried in a court of law. That's how our legal system works, in case you didn't know. Otherwise we get mob justice

beauf

Berserker wrote: »

....I'm not amazed by the numbers. A huge majority of the population here still identify as RC. They are going to take this opportunity, a once in a lifetime opportunity, to see the leader of their church. .... it does provide the RCC and it's supporters with a really nice piece of ammo when people question the position of the RCC in Irish society.

... it will be the second time for many....if we assume the crowd will mainly be older

...It's just interesting how many will turn up for this mass .... I think it will not have a positive influence on the church hierarchy. They will take the wrong message from it.

Boards is not very representative of Irish society in general, on most subjects. Because the moderate middle is not welcome on any subject.

Take this thread any reasoned discussion is drowned out by nonsense. Considering its after hours that's saying something.

batgoat

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

That doesn't mean anything. People settle cases all the time.

O Gorman was not the sole case. The Diocese of Ferns received complaints about abuse against Fortune as early as 1976. Numerous allegations were made. The Diocese did nothing. So cut this **** that he made them up. This is a bit like claiming Savile didn't did, there's plenty of evidence regardless. You're highlighting the fact that the church prevented it from being investigated. That's a cover up.

DickSwiveller Returns

batgoat wrote: »

O Gorman was not the sole case. The Diocese of Ferns received complaints about abuse against Fortune as early as 1976. Numerous allegations were made. The Diocese did nothing. So cut this **** that he made them up. This is a bit like claiming Savile didn't did, there's plenty of evidence regardless.

what you are advocating is mob justice. The core principal of our legal system is that a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was not proven guilty in a court of law.

beauf

Berserker wrote: »

And why do they settle cases?

Insurance settle because it's cheaper in the short term. That it encourages rampant fraudulent claims in the long run seems to only be saying on them now.

DickSwiveller Returns

wonski wrote: »

He didn't die, took his own life to escape consequences.

That's the way I see it.

If a terrorist kills himself before the trial does it mean he was innocent?

Yes, in the eyes of the law he is innocent. I'm afraid you and EL whatever his name is don't understand how the law works

Berserker

beauf wrote: »

... it will be the second time for many....if we assume the crowd will mainly be older

...It's just interesting how many will turn up for this mass .... I think it will not have a positive influence on the church hierarchy. They will take the wrong message from it.

Boards is not very representative of Irish society in general, on most subjects. Because the moderate middle is not welcome on any subject.

Take this thread any reasoned discussion is drowned out by nonsense. Considering its after hours that's saying something.

Have to agree with you. The thread here is very extreme. I posted on it a while back and left, as it's hard to find middle ground on it. Came back to query the traffic restrictions, for real life reasons and the protest caught my eye. Not going to post anything more about it.

beauf wrote: »

Insurance settle because it's cheaper in the short term.

Yep, was hoping that the other poster would respond. They settle because it's the cheapest option in the long run.

DickSwiveller Returns

Berserker wrote: »

Have to agree with you. The thread here is very extreme. I posted on it a while back and left, as it's hard to find middle ground on it. Came back to query the traffic restrictions, for real life reasons and the protest caught my eye. Not going to post anything more about it.

There is no doubt that a few hysterical posters' are turning people off this thread.

beauf

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

what you are advocating is mob justice. The core principal of our legal system is that a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was not proven guilty in a court of law.

..there's a time and a place for such a argument and this isn't it...

eviltwin

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

That doesn't prove anything. As far as I know, the priest who was accused never stood for trial

So? The one who raped me never stood trial either. It doesn't change what he did to at least 4 children. Or are we liars now?