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So who's going to see the Pope?

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  • #102
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    No, I wont be going as most of the country wont be either. I'm sure the blue rinse brigade will be out in force along with devout Irish No voters and some Poles and Filipinos. The event will get sizable numbers but nowhere near JPII's mega visit in 1979 (which I was at as a 4 year old).

    So many still brainwashed by religion and the church. If anything, there seems to be a backlash against athiesm and agnosticism on here. Each to their own. But the church did immense damage to this country.

    Crowds are limited compared to 1979 due to health and safety, so it is impossible to get the same numbers.

    This is an international event - the world meeting of families, not a local event, there will be people here from around the world attending.

    https://www.herald.ie/news/francis-to-draw-thousands-of-overseas-visitors-37045149.html
    Pilgrims from as far afield as China and Africa will take part in festivities linked to the papal visit.

    More than 10,000 overseas visitors have already bought tickets to attend the World Meeting of Families (WMOF) at the RDS.

    However, numbers are expected to increase dramatically when free tickets to events in Knock and the Phoenix Park are released.

    Organisers told the Herald that they have had applications from 114 countries, making this one of the most international gatherings ever held in Ireland.

    There is huge interest from the UK, with nearly 700 people from England registering so far.

    The US will also be heavily represented. So far, nearly 500 tickets have been sold there.

    Another 120 tickets have gone to Canada.

    Tickets sold to Spain number 453, Congo 143, South Africa 67, China seven and Saudi Arabia two.

    The economic impact of Pope Francis's visit will primarily be felt in Dublin, but organisers believe many visitors will go beyond the capital to see tourist sites around the country.

    It is great for the country.


  • #103
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Why don't the trendy atheists understand that some people need the idea of God to help them in life? Instead of constantly sneering at them, why not respect that. I don't believe in God but I can't join the new atheist mob. For example, I wouldn't have the arrogance to sneer at a mother who prays every night that she will see her dead child in another life. Or I wouldn't scoff at the local prayer group who visit the sick and elderly every evening. Unfortunately I just don't possess that level of arrogance.

    The problem is that none of us trendy Atheists have children or mothers, and nobody we know has ever died. We've never had to watch people we love suffer and then be extinguished. We don't love or grieve like normal god-fearing humans, and so we find it really hard to empathize with the rest of you.

    Instead we arrogantly float above the mess of human existence, observing but never sullied by any of it.

    And of course we'll all have deathbed conversions, which will of course mean that you were RIGHT ALL ALONG SEE?


  • #104
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    The problem is that none of us trendy Atheists have children or mothers, and nobody we know has ever died. We've never had to watch people we love suffer and then be extinguished. We don't love or grieve like normal god-fearing humans, and so we find it really hard to empathize with the rest of you.

    Instead we arrogantly float above the mess of human existence, observing but never sullied by any of it.

    And of course we'll all have deathbed conversions, which will of course mean that you were RIGHT ALL ALONG SEE?

    As Dave Allen quite pointedly said
    "if there is a God, I do hope he has a sense of humour".

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #105
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Pope: Here's something from my new album
    600,000 people: Boooo!


  • #106
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    RobertKK wrote: »
    .............

    There is huge interest from the UK, with nearly 700 people from England registering so far.

    .


    About 1600 people die per day in the UK



    700 is not huge interest


  • #107
    JustAThought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    jmayo wrote: »
    As Dave Allen quite pointedly said
    "if there is a God, I do hope he has a sense of humour".

    Dave Allen on the subject of God was a genius. I remember shrieking with laughter at him as a kid and KNOWING we should probably switch him over and not sure how guests would react to our families burn in hell humour! He was light years ahead with his sketch on hos first day in school and I still laugh at his first to the graveyard sketch. I suncerly hope God has a sense of humour or it is going to be very hot where I am going!!!


  • #108
    Bracken81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭Bracken81


    No thanks..................I was touched years ago by religion, never again!!


  • #109
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    gctest50 wrote: »
    About 1600 people die per day in the UK



    700 is not huge interest
    +1

    We exported 4000 women every year to the UK because of the catholic popes.


    700 is nothing.


  • #110
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    jmayo wrote: »
    As Dave Allen quite pointedly said
    "if there is a God, I do hope he has a sense of humour".

    Made me think of this :D:D



  • #111
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Does anyone really care what the pope and church have to say about anything anymore i suspect a small and dwindling minority are the only ones that give a frig.


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  • #112
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JustAThought wrote: »
    Dave Allen on the subject of God was a genius. I remember shrieking with laughter at him as a kid and KNOWING we should probably switch him over and not sure how guests would react to our families burn in hell humour! He was light years ahead with his sketch on hos first day in school and I still laugh at his first to the graveyard sketch. I suncerly hope God has a sense of humour or it is going to be very hot where I am going!!!


    In the name of the father, the son, and into the hole he goes. Still cracks me up.


  • #113
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    I remember as a child that feeling of having someone looking out for you. As a pretty-much-lifelong athiest / agnostic I was coming of age when Hitchens and Harris were providing those important arguments against theism. Randomness doesn't have the same emotive effect as something divine being slowly revealed. I have on occasion just tried to pretend for a few moments that there is a god and it feels better. I can imagine if I was in a dire situation like having lost a child or being in severe poverty it would calm me, it would help. It would possibly make my future better having the ability to say and believe 'god has a plan', rather than spiting the universe.

    I haven't been able to shake the desire for faith, despite agreeing with the rational and factual inconsistencies of religions.


  • #114
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

    I haven't been able to shake the desire for faith, despite agreeing with the rational and factual inconsistencies of religions.

    It's not really something you can fake though is it? Actual faith that is, easy enough to fake having a faith and I believe many many do.


  • #115
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    wexie wrote: »
    I think that's more a backlash against militant atheism, which I can't even get too upset over to be honest.

    Absolutely no reason why you can't be an atheist in still be respectful of the fact that some people aren't. I'm not religious in the least but I can still recognize the fact that religion plays in a major part in the lives of a large percentage of the world's population and be respectful of that fact.

    Some atheists are like militant vegans : I don't believe and I feel that you shouldn't either...

    If they believe something is harmful, how can they not take the "militant" line? Surely that'd be immoral?


  • #116
    Lackey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    No, I wont be going as most of the country wont be either. I'm sure the blue rinse brigade will be out in force along with devout Irish No voters.

    I'm bringing my mother....one of the 'blue rinse brigade'

    She and I both voted yes in SSM and repeal the 8th.

    THIS JUST IN:
    Its 2018 you can have faith AND believe in equal rights for all people....And in even more exciting news Not all people are the same :pac:


  • #117
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    yeppydeppy wrote: »
    Shouldn't we book all the tickets and then not show up?

    Seems there are people doing that.


  • #118
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    I'd probably lose my loyalist credentials if I did, so that would be a no. But good luck to all the real Catholics who will go to see him, not these fake repeal 8th Catholics.


  • #119
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    If they believe something is harmful, how can they not take the "militant" line? Surely that'd be immoral?

    What's harmful? How is it harmful for a regular Joe Blogs to believe in God? In the way many of your neighbours might do?

    You need to make a distinction between the actions of the church as an organisation and the belief people have.

    By all means decry all the scandals, there is no denying the church has mishandled many many things and probably still does and there's no denying they have an awful lot to account for.

    But that is the church as an organisation overall. Not the actions of the people that want to go see, or at least not the far majority of them. The far majority of these are people living in our communities just living their lives, many of them no better (or worse) people than most of us.

    So tell me how is it harmful for them to have a faith?


  • #120
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    I thought Frys closing comments in that interview were epic! what was even funnier was the attempt to charge him for Blasphony, what did they expect bringing a known Athiest on a religious programe.
    5starpool wrote: »
    Who attempted to charge him for blasphemy? Someone on social media saying someone should be charged isn't anyone trying to charge him. I assume only the guards (and maybe some other authorities, I don't know) can charge anyone.
    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    Maybe I picked it up wrong, but there were certainly comments that he should have been charged, how seriously they were taken, or acted on, I dont know.

    Either way, it would have been absurd if they were.

    An investigation was considered after a viewer complained about Fry's comments. It later transpired that this person did so in order to highlight the stupid absurdity of the law and to show how nonsensical it was.
    I do hope that as much effort goes into repealing this stupid law as went into previous referenda so as people can freely say what they want and not be at fear of idiots trying to block them with the threat of legal action.

    #Repeal Blasphemy Law

    Gardaí launch blasphemy probe into Stephen Fry comments on 'The Meaning of Life"
    Exclusive: Member of the public reported that comments breached 2009 Blasphemy Law


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  • #121
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    wexie wrote: »
    What's harmful? How is it harmful for a regular Joe Blogs to believe in God? In the way many of your neighbours might do?

    You need to make a distinction between the actions of the church as an organisation and the belief people have.

    By all means decry all the scandals, there is no denying the church has mishandled many many things and probably still does and there's no denying they have an awful lot to account for.

    But that is the church as an organisation overall. Not the actions of the people that want to go see, or at least not the far majority of them. The far majority of these are people living in our communities just living their lives, many of them no better (or worse) people than most of us.

    So tell me how is it harmful for them to have a faith?

    That's a big question, about which lots of books have been written. I don't have time to argue a position like that and it wasn't my point.

    The point is, many atheists consider religion, including personal faith, to be harmful on balance. I guess many vegans take the same line.

    If they really believe that, doesn't it make sense they'd get in people's faces about it? Not be annoying or superior, but because they care that harm is being done?


  • #122
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    It will be a huge international event and I hope it is a success for the organisers.

    Even though I live by the park I don't think I could cope with the crowds, the hours of walking to the papal cross, bringing my own seat and a packed lunch, wondering where the loos are, sitting there for hours probably having to listen to inspirational speakers and holy music.

    Each to their own, but it'll be a very long and tiring day. I'll watch the news reports instead I think.


  • #123
    Lackey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    Taytoland wrote: »
    I'd probably lose my loyalist credentials if I did, so that would be a no. But good luck to all the real Catholics who will go to see him, not these fake repeal 8th Catholics.

    And the priests who welcomed families into Churches and graveyards to bless and pray for and to bury their dead babies, that had to be born in England because we didn't cater for FFA in our hospitals?
    Are they fake priests?
    If that's the case, no Catholic, including Priests, cant do right no matter what they do.


  • #124
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    That's a big question, about which lots of books have been written. I don't have time to argue a position like that and it wasn't my point.

    The point is, many atheists consider religion, including personal faith, to be harmful on balance. I guess many vegans take the same line.

    If they really believe that, doesn't it make sense they'd get in people's faces about it? Not be annoying or superior, but because they care that harm is being done?

    Yeah I guess if that's your point then you might be right. I don't, however, agree with that point of view. I take major issues with quite a few organised religions. But not so much from the point of religion but because I feel it's inherent in organisations that once they get large enough they have a tendency to start protecting the continued survival of the organisation at any costs up to and including at a cost of their perceived values and morals.

    And I believe that goes for any organisation be it organised religion, political parties, charities, businesses. I think it's just a sad reality of how humans deal with power.


  • #125
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Not sure why people are going on about the cost. The hotels, bars and businesses will make a fortune from it.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    As Bill Shankly once said about Everton FC "If they were playing in my front garden i would close the curtains"

    Nice piece of OT trivia for you. He ended up going to watch Everton after he left LFC. LFC had a 'No Shanklys' policy at the time.
    Shenshen wrote: »
    Will he pull the same size crowd as Garth Brooks, though?

    Don't mention the war.
    bodice ripper wrote: »
    I could really do without it. Traffic will be a massive pain in the arse.

    We are going to have to avoid the Phoenix park side of the city. Traffic was a mere around there when the Ed Sheeran concerts were on, so this is probably going to be worse. The place will be full of coaches and people from the country who are not familiar with that part of the city.
    RobertKK wrote: »
    They are non transferable tickets and it was said the organisers and the Gardai would be involved if the person with the ticket is not the person who bought the ticket.

    Is that not the case when pretty much every ticketed event? Would imagine that you'd get in without a problem on the day.


  • #126
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Berserker wrote: »
    We are going to have to avoid the Phoenix park side of the city.

    And the M50 and each and every single road leading to it I'd imagine.


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  • #127
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

    I haven't been able to shake the desire for faith, despite agreeing with the rational and factual inconsistencies of religions.

    Can empathise. I'm not involved in any religion but I think about existential things and philosophy almost all the time. Projecting my mind out to contemplate the immeasureable vastness of the Universe and the huge amount of unknowns inspires that feeling of wonder or faith, or whatever the word might be. Plus watching the seasons roll round and nature do her thing. The ocean alone inspires awe in me. The whole everyday mundane experience of being alive is so pinch-oneself unbelievable and unusual, to be exquisitely conscious in such an unexpected scenario hurtling through an uncharted Void. The ideas people have about 'God' seem in general to be very limited and childish - metaphysics is an endless source of fascination and God as an idea is almost impossible to fathom. So to hurl abuse at an idea that is so potent seems too casual, too trite. People not having 'faith' in anything more than the material world is a valid and completely understandable position to take, but why would that genuinely cause the desire to denigrate others who feel otherwise?
    I know the church here has caused serious harm. Religions everywhere have. But I find the fervour with which people condemn those who choose faith makes me feel very uncomfortable, it has a cult-like intensity that often borders on the lower forms of religiosity.
    If hundreds of thousands were gathering to go to a Sufi ceremony, or a Tibetan Buddhist ritual, or a Taoist celebration, I would wish them well and feel joy for their shared faith, even though all those religions have caused harm throughout history in different ways. They really have. As has every human institution. So in the same spirit I also wish well to the hundreds of thousands who will likely gather here in the name of their faith.


  • #128
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I was supposed to be going with my mother but she has dumped me to go to some golf competition and I am all sad now :(

    I want to see the Pope!!


  • #129
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Lackey wrote: »
    I'm bringing my mother....one of the 'blue rinse brigade'

    She and I both voted yes in SSM and repeal the 8th.

    THIS JUST IN:
    Its 2018 you can have faith AND believe in equal rights for all people....And in even more exciting news Not all people are the same :pac:


    As a rule the pope oglers wouldn't be the most progressive types.


  • #130
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Malayalam wrote: »
    But I find the fervour with which people condemn those who choose faith makes me feel very uncomfortable, it has a cult-like intensity that often borders on the lower forms of religiosity.

    I tried having this debate with a very vocal atheist once, tried to explain that from my point of view he's just the other side of the coin of a religious person.

    It did not go over particularly well


  • #131
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And do you have these issues with the general population, various councils/organisations and the government who knew many of the "dodgy" priests and did nothing about it? It's incredibly naive to believe that only the priests were involved in the child abuse and subsequent cover-ups over decades. But, nah, you'll focus on the Church and heap all the blame on it, and by the manner of your posts, everybody who has served in the Church.

    There are millions of people who have served the Church faithfully, and without any connection to the child abuse. You, and others here, with their sweeping statements throw dirt all over them.

    I have an Aunt who is a nun. She's been a nun since she was 15, trained as a nurse, served as a missionary abroad, returned to Ireland working with the poor, and has provided a more help to others than you have. Your stance on the child abuse labels her just as much as anyone else.

    I do understand the outrage about the Child abuse, but can we have some maturity about it? Be a little bit more reasonable and stop including millions in the behavior of a minority.

    Thats some leap you've taken from my one paragraph post.

    Of course the main source of blame for child abuse and subsequent cover up within the Catholic Church should be pinned on the Catholic Church. Everything else is just whataboutery.


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  • #132
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    wexie wrote: »
    And the M50 and each and every single road leading to it I'd imagine.

    Didn't realize there will be 500,000 in the Phoenix park. Just googled it there. :eek: Thought it would be more like a concert.


  • #133
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Rome is paying. That was made very public many months ago.

    Rome is paying some. Us taxpayers are also paying millions for the visit.


  • #134
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Rome is paying some. Us taxpayers are also paying millions for the visit.

    No point in responding to Grace. She'll continue to say Rome is paying regardless of the facts.


  • #135
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    What does it take to reach the top job?
    Presumably these guys are upwardly mobile types?


  • #136
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    No point in responding to Grace. She'll continue to say Rome is paying regardless of the facts.

    I know and probably disappear for a while and then reappear to post the same thing again.

    However, a statement that is missing a key fact should be picked up on.


  • #137
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Berserker wrote: »
    Didn't realize there will be 500,000 in the Phoenix park. Just googled it there. :eek: Thought it would be more like a concert.

    Kinda like if Garth Brooks, Ed Sheeran, Beyonce, Take That and One direction were all doing a gig together concert


  • #138
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    I have heard this pope makes a priority of visiting prisons and has irish prison(s) on itenary- so maybe a short stint at her majesty's pleasure could be arranged?


  • #139
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    begbysback wrote: »
    so maybe a short stint at her majesty's pleasure

    I don't think we call it that anymore :pac:


  • #140
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Rome is paying some. Us taxpayers are also paying millions for the visit.

    Donation envelopes were in the local churches where I live(Offaly/Westmeath)over the past few weeks,and massgoers were asked to make a voluntary contribution towards the cost of the events.


  • #141
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    No point in responding to Grace. She'll continue to say Rome is paying regardless of the facts.


    And lying is a sin.


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  • #142
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    begbysback wrote: »
    I have heard this pope makes a priority of visiting prisons and has irish prison(s) on itenary- so maybe a short stint at her majesty's pleasure could be arranged?

    Sounds like you want us back.


  • #143
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    Donation envelopes were in the local churches where I live(Offaly/Westmeath)over the past few weeks,and massgoers were asked to make a voluntary contribution towards the cost of the events.

    Could these have been for coaches ran for churches and parishes, rather than the actual event/visit?


  • #144
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    Donation envelopes were in the local churches where I live(Offaly/Westmeath)over the past few weeks,and massgoers were asked to make a voluntary contribution towards the cost of the events.

    That doesn’t change the fact that the trip is costing the state millions.


  • #145
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    :p
    begbysback wrote: »
    I have heard this pope makes a priority of visiting prisons and has irish prison(s) on itenary- so maybe a short stint at her majesty's pleasure could be arranged?

    So he's visiting the UK also:rolleyes:


  • #146
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    That doesn’t change the fact that the trip is costing the state millions.

    Agreed,asking for donations on top of that is a bit much.


  • #147
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    That doesn’t change the fact that the trip is costing the state millions.

    No penny from the State coffers should be paying for this event. Not a single cent. I'm sure many taxpayers would be very angry at this.

    The Vatican is obscenely rich - let them pay for it themselves.

    Anyone remember the 2000 "sweet deal" between the religious institutions and the FF govt? - the State picked up the vast bulk of the compensation tab. Scandal!!:mad:


  • #148
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    No penny from the State coffers should be paying for this event. Not a single cent. I'm sure many taxpayers would be very angry at this.

    The Vatican is obscenely rich - let them pay for it themselves.

    Anyone remember the 2000 "sweet deal" between the religious institutions and the FF govt? - the State picked up the vast bulk of the compensation tab. Scandal!!:mad:

    Completely agree. They could sell off one of their minor paintings and it would probably fund the whole trip.


  • #149
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Does he say a good long mass ? - as long as Fr. Clippert ? he does 4 hours since his stroke ...


  • #150
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Ah Lad's most Irish people would show up for an envelope opening if they thought it was a big event and they might miss out.

    Add to that our Polish contingent and Frank is guaranteed great door reciepts


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  • #151
    Galwayguy35
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    No penny from the State coffers should be paying for this event. Not a single cent. I'm sure many taxpayers would be very angry at this.

    The Vatican is obscenely rich - let them pay for it themselves.

    Anyone remember the 2000 "sweet deal" between the religious institutions and the FF govt? - the State picked up the vast bulk of the compensation tab. Scandal!!:mad:

    Did you say the same thing when Lizzie Windsor visited, sure she was well able to pay for it herself as well.

    He's only coming for 36 hours and half of ye on this thread are twisting yourselves up in knots about it.

    Lot's of people want to see him so get over it.


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